The kind that libs like. Permitted by the city and designed in such a way not to bother anyone. Probably involve "activists" hugging a cop for a photo-op and then the mayor reads off some empty platitudes. Everyone clears out 2 hrs before sundown.

You know, pointless.

The parallels are distinct and interesting.

We clearly need to totally reevaluate Stonewall as the criminal act it was and not view it as some kind of protest against police brutality. Anyone who commemorates is clearly supporting rioting because of its ties supporting gay rights means supporting rioting against the police.

And we can finally side with the right side of bloody sunday instead of those criminals blocking the road. The police should have been the heroes in the movie Selma and Stonewall.

But the Gravy SEALS showing up at a state house with their knock-off AR-15s, cool guy rigs and "tactical" sunglasses pissing and moaning about getting a hair cut is okay.

Well, looking at the roster of anti-protest bills that are being masqueraded as "anti-riot" legislation, I'd say it depends on whether or not the protest is in favor of black people (and presumably other marginalized groups), or gun-waving right wing rallies.

After attacking the Green Deal for years and demanding AOC debate her on it, Greene effectively admits that she never read it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjo...b0c1b89645039a

:sdl:

You don't think there is a continuum between protest and rioting?

MTG, Rick Perry, Louis Gohmert, Matt Gaetz, Lauren Boebert are all good reasons for why I want the side of the debate that argues in favor of "Voters should have a minimum IQ higher than a box of rocks to vote".

Except those same arguments were used to suppress the black voters during Jim Crow.

Greene apparently confronted Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the floor of the House Wednesday. Someone took a photo and Greene used it in a Tweet [see below]. AOC has not responded -- its not clear Greene was actually challenging her to a debate in the photo -- and Thursday Greene went on the attack. In a Tweet Greene ranted that if AOC won't debate Greene it proves she (AOC) is 'a scared and stupid little girl.' Greene also said she had finally read the 14-page Green New Deal House resolution introduced by Ocasio-Cortez in 2019 and Tweeted it is a "communists[sic] manifesto." (Even some conservative news sources observed, the phrase Greene was looking for is "communist manifesto," it's not plural.)

Some observers have said, not entirely joking, Greene behaves more like someone from the world of professional wrestling than a member of Congress.

Huffington Post speclated on Greene's real motives.

Below is a link to Greene's 47-second Tweet in which she accuses Ocasio-Cortez of being a scared stupid little girl, "exactly what she is."

Greene Tweet

Nice bit of right-wingery there. Before she read it it was, presumably, too big, its bigness and complexity its fault. Now, having read it, it's "little," its smallness and lack of complexity its fault.

Not only is it no joke, it's exactly what people like her and Gaetz operate, by design. It's self-promotion.

It's all about creating a brand, not about doing the hard work of legislating.
I blame Newt Gingrich. he is the one who started this .

I said it before, it's the 'roids from all that crosstraining crap she does. Either that or she's a man in disguise. Looks like one to me. Sorry if it offends anyone here but I can't stand looking at her. She creeps me out.

Have trouble recognizing snarky sarcasm, do ya?

I hope AOC does accept.

Occasio-Cortez comes prepared - armed with facts, figures, and a deep technical understanding of the ecology and the economics of the Green New Deal... MTG on the other hand took four days to read a 14-page document.

AOC will utterly demolish and humiliate Taylor-Greene... she will tear the "Jewish Space Lasers" idiot to shreds. MTG's only chance of coping will be to shout everything down and play pigeon chess. To that end, AOC will have to insist on some rules, for example a moderator who can turn off the debater's microphones if they won't shut up.

It reminds me somewhat of one of Dara O Briain's famous quips - AOC is the Professor of Dentistry, and MTG is the eejit who removes teeth with a string and a door.

If someone is wrong and ugly too, I don’t see what skin it is off anyone’s nose to just say they are wrong and keep the other part to themselves.

They’re not wrong because they’re ugly or ugly because they’re wrong. Why, it’s almost like their looks are completely irrelevant.

Fixed that for you.

Given your avatar, I was reminded of the dentist in this scene.

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I AGREE

I hope AOC continues devoting her energy to campaigning and legislating instead. A debate with a fern or species of nail fungus would be more productive and persuasive than a debate with MTG.

Agreed.
Never wrestle with pigs. ...

Hans

Yup... I knew EXACTLY what that clip would be before I opened it!! :thumbsup:

Absolutely. There is nothing to win in a debate with Greene. You debate people like that with facts and they will respond with idiocy, insults and conspiracy theories, then flounce off and declare themselves the winner. And their idiot followers will believe them.

Leaving a trail of upturned pigeon-pooped chessboards behind them.

Greene is relentless with the spin. Tuesday night she tweeted that Washington streets were deserted as a heavy police presence patrolled the city. Why? The Derek Chauvin verdict and fears the "domestic terrorist group" BLM were about to stage violent riots.

This plays into her base's prejudices and her supporters undoubtedly accept it -- and will endlessly repeat it to one another -- but not surprisingly, it wasn't true.
But if the streets weren't deserted, if the police presence was no more than on any other night, how does Greene rationalize lying about it? Undoubtedly, it's part of her effort to establish her 'brand' and solidify her base. It also has to do with fundraising, attracting donors. Below is a quote from her hometown newspaper, the Rome Georgia News-Tribune.
In looking at Greene's Twitter account she appears to have removed this particular tweet (like she has done with tweets so many times before) but of course, not before someone screen capped it. ;)

I agree. There is no reason to debate this issue with Marjorie Greene. Her only purpose would be to appeal to her base by publicly insulting and ridiculing AOC. That's all she is looking for (and AOC undoubtedly knows it). It's not like Greene has a plan of her own that she believes would be more effective. She has no plan, only 'talking points.'

I read some time ago an interview with a scientist who is working on developing computers with artificial intelligence. At one point the conversation veered off into climate change. The scientist -- who also has a degree in biology and has worked in that field -- said he thought 'the window' on avoiding future catastrophe had closed, it was already too late. That he fully expects by the end of this century extreme weather will end humankind's time on this planet. He said the problem that had emerged was, that while the scientific community had reached consensus the political community had proven unable to do so. He is convinced that flaw -- politicians who reject science and refuse to plan for the long term -- has already doomed humankind. He could have been talking about you-know-who.

Ah, you're so hopelessly optimistic.

Sure, on merits, AOC (who I don't particularly respect) will dominate. She does actually understand the issues. But that wouldn't matter, because those who admire MTG will conclude that she owned AOC. What good do facts do? What matters is an attack that already confirms one's preconceptions: AOC wants to turn us socialist and MTG is fighting the good fight.

Let us recall that in th GQP narrative the city of Portland was entirely on fire. Completely obliterated by rioting BLM and is still on fire to this day.

Unfortunately he might be right. I don't think the species is going to disappear, but I don't expect we're going to mitigate climate change much, and there's going to be a "correction" in the ecosystem (95% reduction in population, loss of civilisation infrastructure, migrations, etc.)

I'd rather we manage to make it work, but in the end things will balance out as they will.

I don't. No reason for AOC...whom incidently I am not a supporter of...to get into the gutter with MTG is a lame marketing scheme.

"Never wrestle with a pig.You just get dirty and the pig likes it"

Lazarus Long. "Time Enough For Love".

Precisely. And so very apt, in this case.

I think many of us make this mistake: We think that sober facts can overcome deliberate nonsense. If only that were true, the world would be a MUCH better place.

Hans

Agreed. Case in point: the Clinton-Trump debates. Try reading the comment section in articles from the C-T debates where every credible reviewer gave the debates to Clinton.



http://www.internationalskeptics.com...5d356156cd.jpg

There's also "Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." (Often attributed to Mark Twain, but its origins are murky.)

Yeah, any debate with MTG would be nothing more than a stunt. All the GOP has these days are stunts. It's pathetic.

Good to see rhyming slang has made its way across the pond.

:thumbsup:

You left out the "cupid" term in there.

All in the Best Possible Taste.

And another person as naturally blonde as MTG.

AOC's response should be simple:

"Our goal is to turn the objectives of the Green New Deal into legislation that benefits all Americans. I am happy to debate it as it proceeds through the process of becoming law, from when it is introduced into House committees and then on to the floor. Although Rep. Greene is not part of any committees and therefore won't be able to participate in any of the committee discussions, she is welcome to contribute to the debate on the House floor."

It's good to see the "Debate me you coward! Why won't you have a cIviL dEBate with me about my stupid evil insanity!" tactic is yet another internet troll tactic that has made it to Congress.

Hence my thread about democracy... but then it was Bobbed.

And how is calling for protestors to get more confrontational calling for rioting? Clearly any calling at all for protest and indeed any protest at all is really just laying the groundwork for riots.

And these are the bad kind of riots, not the fun kind like when your sportsball team wins or there are pumpkins.

I am still puzzled why so many otherwise intelligent people on this site continually engage in long debates with very obvious trolls,and then complain how trolls are ruining the site.
This site would be better if more people obeyed the simple rule "Don't Feed The Trolls".

*Head desk*

BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THE TROLLS ARE NOW IN CONGRESS!

If you ignore trolls, they don't cease to exist, they start doing things you can't ignore.

I literally don't know how history can teach us this lesson clearer.

Absolutely! So tired of seeing it.


We are talking about this site. No good comes from arguing with a troll.

Just curious, do you do this sober?

Entertainment is good.