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Darat 23rd March 2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13029899)
Well the new rules are unequivocal so we'll see what happens when some hair salon or carpet shop decides they are essential.


Hang on carpet shops!? I was going to get new carpets this month, surely it can’t apply to my plans?

Elaedith 23rd March 2020 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13029955)
In Australia we are in lockdown, but the hairdressers and beauty parlour and hardware stores are still open. What a joke.

I noticed that bottle shops were on the list of essential businesses to remain open.

The Atheist 23rd March 2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13029955)
In Australia we are in lockdown, but the hairdressers and beauty parlour and hardware stores are still open. What a joke.

I walked past a full hairdresser on the way to an empty supermarket this morning.

I was amazed. If one of the hairdressers has it, I'd think sitting directly in their line of breath for half an hour is a very good way to get it.

The Atheist 23rd March 2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Elaedith (Post 13030036)
I noticed that bottle shops were on the list of essential businesses to remain open.

Same here.

I imagine there's a fine line between the guys who abuse their partners and families when they're drunk to the ones who abuse them when they can't get drunk.

ThatGuy11200 23rd March 2020 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13029865)
The fundamental failing was to assume that people would take the warnings seriously and act accordingly. Instead its been an endless stream of denial and self-serving justifications to ignore the advice from so many people. Some people will still not follow the rules unless we literally have soldiers on the streets sticking guns in their faces and ordering them indoors.

They've had a lot of practice with Brexit.

The Don 23rd March 2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rjh01 (Post 13029955)
In Australia we are in lockdown, but the hairdressers and beauty parlour and hardware stores are still open. What a joke.

Hardware shops being open makes sense IMO because houses always need repairs.

Giordano 23rd March 2020 11:13 PM

For those thinking the USA is at least now doing a good job fighting Covid-19 vs other countries, take a look at these graphs:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

And realize these are semi-log plots. Whereas the rates of deaths are beginning to decline in at least some other countries, maybe even in Italy, they are increasing in the USA! Are we in the USA idiots? Or are we led by idiots?

Once again we know how to begin to control this epidemic. There is no excuse that we are not. And if you can’t see how Trump and his circle of brown noses are primary contributors to this failure, I’ll ask: the national governments in the successful countries played key roles in their success. Who do you think are responsible for the failures in the unsuccessful countries?

Susheel 24th March 2020 01:34 AM

In India, apart from a couple of states that are trying to take pro-active measures, while also ensuring the welfare of the people living there...most of them are basically busy plugging holes when they form and indulging in patriotic claptrap. Neither of those states have the rightwing party ruling. One of them is actually the communist Party.

Squeegee Beckenheim 24th March 2020 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13029946)
Oh my gawd, we have one thread on COVID we're not supposed to bring up anything Trump and now supposedly the politics outside the US needs its own thread?

Politics outside the US has its own forum. That's the forum this thread is in.

US politics has an entire forum all to itself. Posts and threads in there which are not about US politics get removed. I see no reason why posts and threads about US politics should be allowed in the non-US politics forum.

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Maybe a mod could change the thread title, not all of us go looking for which sub-forum a thread is in.
Or, perhaps, you should check where you're posting before you post, rather than insist that the rules be changed just for you.

US politics has it entire own forum. That's plenty of space to encompass US politics. This forum is for the other 194 countries in the world. It's not unreasonable to expect that the forum dedicated to the whole of the rest of the world not be bogged down with threads and posts about the country that already has an entire forum all to itself.

Squeegee Beckenheim 24th March 2020 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Giordano (Post 13030374)
For those thinking the USA is at least now doing a good job fighting Covid-19 vs other countries, take a look at these graphs:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

And realize these are semi-log plots. Whereas the rates of deaths are beginning to decline in at least some other countries, maybe even in Italy, they are increasing in the USA! Are we in the USA idiots? Or are we led by idiots?

Once again we know how to begin to control this epidemic. There is no excuse that we are not. And if you can’t see how Trump and his circle of brown noses are primary contributors to this failure, I’ll ask: the national governments in the successful countries played key roles in their success. Who do you think are responsible for the failures in the unsuccessful countries?

This is another post that would better fit in the US politics thread, rather than the non-US one.

catsmate 24th March 2020 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13029841)
Who decides what is 'essential work'?

Based on the current categories, for schools, an overly long, vague and needlessly complicated list.

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13029841)
I'm a dog walker, self employed,

Based on Pets at Home's claim you should be fine.

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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13029841)
Mind you today the village and walking routes were full of old people enjoying the warm weather....

Let them? It may be their last...

catsmate 24th March 2020 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13029890)
And didn’t help with large employers such as Halfords and Dixons keeping their shops open (and actually lobbying for their brick and mortar stores to be classified as “essential retail”) thus ensuring their tens of thousands of workers be exposed to all those people who thought whilst they can’t go to work having a wander around the shops was a good way to socially isolate...

My favourite bookshop in Dublin, Hodges Figgis, has closed.
:(

The Don 24th March 2020 03:13 AM

Here's the current detail on the list of essential shops in the UK:

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_finalVF.pdf

It seems to have been rushed out, if the typos are anything to go by.

Squeegee Beckenheim 24th March 2020 03:42 AM

https://twitter.com/amateuradam/stat...33713129639940

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14 days ago, Italy had fewer coronavirus cases than we do today. They employed similar public health measures to us. Now they have >7000 cases (366 deaths). Unless I'm missing something, this is us in a fortnight. Hopefully we won't wait that long before doing something more.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1236739529303830530

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Response from senior government source is “the Italians did several of the populist - non-science based - measures that aren’t any use. They’re who not to follow”.

Squeegee Beckenheim 24th March 2020 04:26 AM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1242371779156459520

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NEW SNAP POLLING:

The public overwhelming back the measures announced by the Prime Minister last night.

➡️Support: 93% (including 76% who strongly support)
➡️Oppose: 4%
➡️Don’t know: 3%

These are crazy high levels of support.
Link to poll embedded in tweet.

Giordano 24th March 2020 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13030437)
This is another post that would better fit in the US politics thread, rather than the non-US one.

Okay, sorry. But aren’t comparisons of different countries then potentially off topic in both threads/forums?

I I’ll ask the mods to move my prior post and see what happens.

The Don 24th March 2020 09:07 AM

The whole of India on total lockdown for 21 days with people forbidden to leave their homes.

:jaw-dropp

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

Putting the millions who don't actually have homes to one side, how will people survive if they cannot leave their houses for 3 weeks ?

William Parcher 24th March 2020 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13030781)
how will people survive if they cannot leave their houses for 3 weeks ?

???

The same as every other place on lockdown. You leave the house for essentials only.

The Don 24th March 2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 13030791)
???

The same as every other place on lockdown. You leave the house for essentials only.

In India that doesn't seem to be permitted.

William Parcher 24th March 2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13030888)
In India that doesn't seem to be permitted.

I see this...

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Originally Posted by CNN
"From 12 midnight today, the entire country will go under a complete lockdown to save India and for every Indian, there will be a total ban on venturing out of your homes. Therefore, I request you to remain wherever you are in this country," Modi added.

Only essential services will be operational. These include water, electricity, health services, fire services, groceries and municipal services...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/asia/...ntl/index.html

William Parcher 24th March 2020 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Associated Press
Modi called Tuesday’s order a “total lockdown” and did not address whether any service providers would be exempt, but said that “all steps have been taken by central and state government to ensure supply of essential items.”

The ministry of home affairs said essential services including grocery stores, banks, ATMs and gas stations will remain open. It said no more than 20 people will be permitted to attend funerals...

https://apnews.com/176c1393bb1d93a2fb39d2f714d04f8b

The Don 24th March 2020 10:38 AM

That doesn't seem compatible with Modi saying that there was a total ban on leaving the home. Maybe like his mentor he makes yuuuuge claims and leaves it to others to sort out the practicalities

William Parcher 24th March 2020 11:01 AM

It's just like the other places on lockdown. A total ban on leaving your home for anything other than life essentials.

The Atheist 24th March 2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Susheel (Post 13030424)
In India, apart from a couple of states that are trying to take pro-active measures, while also ensuring the welfare of the people living there...most of them are basically busy plugging holes when they form and indulging in patriotic claptrap. Neither of those states have the rightwing party ruling. One of them is actually the communist Party.

Holy crap, India troubles me, and has been since the start.

Given that the foecal-oral route of transmission is a major means of infection, I'm deeply concerned as to how it's all going to pan out for you.

Stay well clear of this sucker, mate - I don't imagine Indian hospitals will be good places for the next few months.

ChristianProgressive 24th March 2020 11:45 AM

The virus is bringing the Nazi's out of the woodwork again. This tweet has gone viral. The ******* who posted it has since tried to walk it back, but is only digging himself in deeper

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET1Xh5eUEAAH3RR.jpg

dudalb 24th March 2020 11:48 AM

Trump will make America a Pariah State. Literally.

Ron Swanson 24th March 2020 11:58 AM

I have a small retail shop (in Canada) that is on the esential list .. but it doesn't make much difference, only one or two people a day have been coming in for the last week or so.

I have to wait to April to see if I can apply for assistance.

William Parcher 24th March 2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson (Post 13031080)
I have to wait to April to see if I can apply for assistance.

April happens in 8 days.

ChristianProgressive 24th March 2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13031055)
Trump will make America a Pariah State. Literally.

Frankly, we deserve it. My favorite dream right now is that the UN finally gets the stick out and takes over. I want the regime on trial in the Hague.

Garrison 24th March 2020 12:43 PM

One real bright spot is the rate of infections in Italy is dropping, it seems the measures there are having the desired effect.

ponderingturtle 24th March 2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13030370)
Hardware shops being open makes sense IMO because houses always need repairs.

It is hard to wash your hands when the sink is broken.

Susheel 24th March 2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by William Parcher (Post 13030791)
???

The same as every other place on lockdown. You leave the house for essentials only.

Not really...there is a huge group of migrant labourers and homeless. In Delhi migrant labourers were forced to trek back with little or no money and in the absence of any public transport system since most states had shut these down a couple of days ago. For a large number of daily wagers and contract workers, there have been no salaries and there will be none for some time. Meanwhile the affluent whinge about being cooped up at home.

Captain_Swoop 24th March 2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13030370)
Hardware shops being open makes sense IMO because houses always need repairs.

Indeed, I just had to fix the overflow on the kitchen sink, needed bits from B&Q otherwise no kitchen sink!

Susheel 24th March 2020 01:48 PM

Seems like the lockdown is going to serve as an opportunity for police excess and targeted harassment.

Mader Levap 24th March 2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by steenkh (Post 13026091)
I find it interesting that China - where lives are usually regarded as worth less than in the West - have been doing so much to contain the virus.

Reason is very simple. A lot of deaths = toppling of government. Judging how UK did 180 on their plans, someone finally told that village idiot about those silly people that for some strange reason get pissed when their loved ones are dying en masse.

The Atheist 24th March 2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Susheel (Post 13031267)
Seems like the lockdown is going to serve as an opportunity for police excess and targeted harassment.

Good of you to focus on the positives!

Captain_Swoop 24th March 2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Susheel (Post 13031267)
Seems like the lockdown is going to serve as an opportunity for police excess and targeted harassment.

Not if people stay at home which is the point of the lock down.

Susheel 24th March 2020 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13031464)
Not if people stay at home which is the point of the lock down.

The police in Delhi and the neighbouring state of Uttar Pradesh have already begun using the opportunity to harass localities where dissent against the government on the Citizenship Act had broiled. Also, last night doctors returning from duty were harassed by the Police in Hyderabad.

Susheel 24th March 2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Atheist (Post 13031359)
Good of you to focus on the positives!

Well, with this government it has been difficult. Sorry for not being able to indulge in feel good fervor while thousands of the poor and destitute are going to left out to starve.

The Atheist 24th March 2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Susheel (Post 13031609)
Sorry for not being able to indulge in feel good fervor while thousands of the poor and destitute are going to left out to starve.

Don't be!

Come and have a good rant in the Covid rant thread.

There are so many things that make me furious about the entire cock-up that I'm a frequent visitor.

Governments are showing how completely worthless they are when faced with an unexpected crisis.


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