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A second impeachment
And dust this back off....
New Articles of Impeachment coming on Monday, including “incitement of insurrection.” https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/polit...ans/index.html |
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This is not to mention the nightmare that would happen when we hire a few dozen people off the streets, as it were, to start their careers. There is a security check, but Senate approval for a mail clerk? Wouldn't be a fan. I don't think they would even want a part of that. |
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He's terrified that this will split the GOP because they will have to stand on one side or the other. |
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I don't think that they should press articles of impeachment unless they are confident they have the votes for a conviction, but the idea that it is too divisive kind of sticks in my craw. Too divisive is continuing to support a lunatic who tried to overturn a democratic election. |
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That is to say, I think they will have the votes this time. |
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It's Kevin McCarthy. Whether he is impeached or not, there are going to be consequences. |
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If Trump is impeached again, each congress-critter will have to give a "yay or nay" to Trump's actions in encouraging the riot. That makes it much harder for them to hide their true beliefs. |
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"President Trump’s conduct on January 6, 2021 was consistent with his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 presidential election. Those prior efforts include, but are not limited to, a phone call on January 2, 2021, in which President Trump urged Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to ‘‘find’’ enough votes to overturn the Georgia presidential election results and threatened Mr. Raffensperger if he failed to do so. In all of this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coordinate branch of government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States."
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Granted, if Moscow Mitch delays things, Trump would be out of office, it will be a largely symbolic act. (Although they could vote to ensure he could never hold public office again.) But senators would still be on the record either way. |
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And sure, it's symbolic, but did you see the Kabuki theater that played out with speeches during the certification exercise? That was all symbolic. Most of what they do is symbolic except for SOME votes. |
Why are Democrats so ******* stupid?
You won, Trump disintegrated, so has his party. Whatever the party thinks it might gain from impeachment, I can tell you what it will reap: the opposite of what's intended. The Republican party is in tatters, and the one thing that will enable them to re-build is an attack from their common enemy, the Democratic Party. It's a time to forgive and forget, try to build alliances, try to heal the divisions, not dig them deeper. Moderate Republicans are pissed off at Trump, but they'll be a lot more pissed off at stupid old **** Nancy Pelosi showboating and making idiotic assertions that Trump might start nuclear war, She's an idiot, and so are all the members of her party supporting her. Even if it worked, it would turn Trump into a martyr, which is just what you don't need to do. Utter insanity that will backfire. |
Why is it only the Dems who need to forgive and forget?
Where are the Republicans apologizing for claiming that Democrats just engaged in massive voter fraud? Every time Biden has tried to reach out, Republicans have spit in his face. |
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https://twitter.com/tenen21/status/1347724176438800389
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It comes down to whether the Democrats would like to get some Republican voters to switch sides. Impeaching Trump will do the exact opposite and harden those voters' opposition to what they perceive as a bunch of over-entitled elites. The high ground is wide open and empty - why the hell wouldn't you occupy it? Impeachment right now is pathetic and acting as dumb as Trump. It's the American Way. |
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It's less than a pittance. |
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"Forgive and Forget" my big fat arse. This should never be forgiven nor forgotten. Worked past. Yes. Learned from. Yes. I've got news for you: it's like when a spouse cheats in a marriage. The marriage may survive and they may even be happy again. But the cheated on spouse deep down never truly forgives and never, ever forgets. |
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Something triggered his public concession to Biden and commitment to a peaceful transaction. My guess is that they had enough senate votes to remove him from office. And now that he’s done that, they want it to be good enough and start calling for unity.
I don’t think impeachment is a turn off to voters. I think a lack of response might be. since they passed on the 25th, they punted the ball to pelosi. Not sure she has much choice. Either way, I think it’s pretty inconceivable to just walk out there and say let’s let bygones be bygones and move on a day after a mob of Trump supporters forced their way into the capital at his direction. There has to be a response to that, you can’t let that go. |
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What I would do is welcome them with open arms and let bygones be bygones... and the hit them with the biggest knife in DC when they turn their back.
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I ask you, if his recent actions weren’t sufficient to justify impeachment, what the hell would? I doubt he’d go to the effort right now to go to New York to shoot somebody on 5th Avenue, but suppose he did so on Pennsylvania Avenue? Would it still be “time to forgive and forget, try to build alliances, try to heal the divisions, not dig them deeper.”? Actions must have consequences - it’s as simple as that. |
Because a world where a sitting President can order an angry mob of conspiracy theorists to march on and storm the Capitol because he won't accept the results of an election and suffer no consequences is simply not an acceptable one.
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NOT impeaching Trump would be playing politics.
Impeachment is what is required by their Oath of Office. |
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What motivated you to post that? |
My concern is a few lawyers I follow argue that what trump said would not exceed the requirements of Brandenburg.
I like the Brandenburg standard. I would not like to see impeachment used as a way around it. |
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(https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3056). There is no exception there for presidents removed from office as there is in the Former Presidents Act (https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/...residents.html). Even if removed from office, a former president would still need protection, not just for his benefit, but to protect the US because of his knowledge of classified information. |
Well, Trump certainly needs Secret Service protection from me leaving bags of flaming poo on his doorstep.
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Go for impeachment. Let everyone know where they stood on this! And same for the Senate when it comes to conviction. What's that Ted Cruz? You were always totally an opponent of Trump and not just a slimy opportunist sack of ****** What's that Lindsay Graham? No, I don't want to see your video of your flambouyant gesticulations and your gazing into your soul ********. What did you vote? |
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I’m serious whilst that might be a consideration for every single President prior to Trump and every one after it really doesn’t apply to him. Plus I suspect that he will lose his protection detail quite quickly when he will not take any of their advice or instructions. When he was President he could do what he wanted and the SS simply had to deal with it. Once he stops being president he will have to abide by the SS advice and instructions if he wants their protection, which we know he simply won’t be able to do. |
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I would be more than happy for his retirement in solitary confinement to be long and uninterrupted by being accidentally, brutally stabbed to death while shaving. |
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I wouldn't exactly say that it was time to forgive, and I sure as heck don't want to forget, but what I absolutely do not want is an opportunity for Trump to claim victory as his last act in office. If the Democrats drop the impeachment crusade, Trump leaves office humiliated, blubbering, hiding away without even a Twitter account to turn to. If the Democrats pursue impeachment and lose, Trump leaves office a victim, who fought the deep state and an implacable foe right to the very end. In an earlier post, I note that if you force people to go on record, they often go on record against you, because they are mad at being forced. The Democrats should understand that they aren't just forcing the Republican elected officials to go on record. They are forcing all citizens to "go on record" in every political discussion. The average person saw what happened on Wednesday and was disgusted, and the Democrats' hands were completely clean of it. Don't jump down into the gutter to wrestle with that pig. |
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