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Malbec 12th May 2016 03:46 AM

CERN -- Greatest of all FALSE FLAGS ?
 
https://youtu.be/VvyItRFzi-M

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No one has been able to stop or thoroughly examine CERN experiments as it is sanctioned by a mysterious assembly of international associations where the ultimate authority of the project has been so hidden through compartmentalization that you cannot find any one leader, CEO, or entity in charge. In fact, many scientists who are employed by CERN probably don’t know what it is . They are just conducting their limited scope of work, which could be legitimate, given to them by a supervisor that is also working within constraints and boundaries. Everything is on a need-to-know basis.
(Like S4 or Area 51 as it was )

In a process , known as diffusion of responsibility, no one is ultimately responsible. In CERN’s case this means that science can do whatever it wants–whether it is creating light-speed atomic collisions, capturing mysterious “particles” that can create supernovas or black holes, genetic modification of plants, animals and humans, or just the standard militaristic warlord banker’s favorite — building new bombs for both sides of the conflict. CERN gives scientists permission to have free reign to rip apart or explode anything they want just because they are trying to find the God particle.

The CERN scientific community makes the braggadocios statement that “Science can do what God does, or better!” With its community of 25,000 international scientists, scattered throughout the world, who are not responsible to any particular national law or regulation, diffusion of responsibility gives this group exclusionary power and immunity to decide which experiments are worthy of its endeavors, while protecting its scientists from any personal or group consequences.
Copy quote from Anonymous Patriots

Edited by jsfisher:  Quote added to clearly delineate copied material. Link to one source for it: http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...am-in-history/


They had so far failed to produce anything of public consequence but now possibly can paint perfect circles in the sky , see video .
Incidentally NSA have publicly stated that matters like the Higgs Bosun are nonsense and that the detail data seems bogus .Not that it helps anything anytime .

Belz... 12th May 2016 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274381)
No one has been able to stop or thoroughly examine CERN experiments

So go there yourself.

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as it is sanctioned by a mysterious assembly of international associations where the ultimate authority
Known as "scientists".

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In CERN’s case this means that science can do whatever it wants–whether it is creating light-speed atomic collisions, capturing mysterious “particles” that can create supernovas or black holes, genetic modification of plants, animals and humans, or just the standard militaristic warlord banker’s favorite — building new bombs for both sides of the conflict.
Making things up as you go isn't evidence of anything, Malbec.

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The CERN scientific community makes the braggadocios statement that “Science can do what God does, or better!”
So that's what bothere you.

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They had so far failed to produce anything of public consequence
Translation: you don't understand the purpose of CERN.

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Incidentally NSA have publicly stated that matters like the Higgs Bosun are nonsense and that the detail data seems bogus
To whom? You? You clearly haven't got the first clue about nuclear physics. Why should that mean anything?

Malbec 12th May 2016 03:56 AM

First know about what you are referring to

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CERN is a Network Access Point for surveillance for the ECHELON spy system.

ECHELON is a surveillance program (signals intelligence / SIGINT collection and analysis network) operated on behalf of the five signatory nations to the UKUSA Security Agreement—Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. The program was created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, and was formally established in 1971. By the end of the 20th century, the system referred to as “ECHELON” had allegedly evolved beyond its military and diplomatic origins, to also become “…a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications.”

Britain’s The Guardian newspaper summarized the capabilities of the ECHELON system as follows: “A global network of electronic spy stations that can eavesdrop on telephones, faxes and computers. It can even track bank accounts. This information is stored in ECHELON computers, which can keep millions of records on individuals. Officially, however, Echelon doesn’t exist.”

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See more at http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...am-in-history/

Edited by jsfisher:  Quote tags added, link to source added, and copied material trimmed for compliance with Rule 4 of the Membership Agreement.

Norman Alexander 12th May 2016 03:59 AM

Is this some sort of a celebration that Kent Hovind has been released from jail? Time to start up the really-out-there conspiracy theories?

Malbec 12th May 2016 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Argumemnon (Post 11274394)
So go there yourself.Known as "scientists".
Making things up as you go isn't evidence of anything, Malbec.
So that's what bothere you.
Translation: you don't understand the purpose of CERN.
To whom? You? You clearly haven't got the first clue about nuclear physics. Why should that mean anything?

Re-read and address your off beam comments to Patriots Anon . As clearly stated . Not me .
I am the Messenger -- yet again .

fagin 12th May 2016 04:00 AM

Sounds like a list of plots for a series of rubbish Bond type movies.

Malbec 12th May 2016 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 11274403)
Is this some sort of a celebration that Kent Hovind has been released from jail? Time to start up the really-out-there conspiracy theories?

You are generations adrift ..

Border Reiver 12th May 2016 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fagin (Post 11274407)
Sounds like a list of plots for a series of rubbish Bond type movies.

I was thinking more of a less grounded Tom Clancy knock-off, maybe something like the old Mack Bolan or Phoenix Force books.

abaddon 12th May 2016 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274381)
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In a process , known as diffusion of responsibility, no one is ultimately responsible. In CERN’s case this means that science can do whatever it wants–whether it is creating light-speed atomic collisions, capturing mysterious “particles” that can create supernovas or black holes, genetic modification of plants, animals and humans, or just the standard militaristic warlord banker’s favorite — building new bombs for both sides of the conflict. CERN gives scientists permission to have free reign to rip apart or explode anything they want just because they are trying to find the God particle.

<snip>

Utterly wrong. CERN is governed by the CERN council. Here is their website. Read it.

CERN does not have a CEO, it has a Director-General who performs that function among others. The current incumbent is Fabiola Gianotti who was appointed on Jan 1, 2016.

Given that you cannot even get basic public information, why should anyone waste time on the rest of your post?

Norman Alexander 12th May 2016 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274411)
You are generations adrift ..

Not really. Hovind was sent to jail for 10 years for making up great steaming piles of **** and trying to convince others it was true. He was a poster-boy for the anti-government looney-tunes conspiracy theorists. And lo! Here you are doing the same thing!

Are you going to tell me when to laugh at this? Because I am already...

Jack by the hedge 12th May 2016 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274398)
First know about what you are referring to


CERN is a Network Access Point for surveillance for the ECHELON spy system.

Please can you indicate;
1) precisely what "a Network Access Point for surveillance" means
2) any evidence that you didn't just pull that assertion out of your backside

Dr.Sid 12th May 2016 04:43 AM

Seek medical help. Also, stop reading conspiracy sites. Watch kitty videos instead.

Belz... 12th May 2016 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274398)
CERN is a Network Access Point for surveillance for the ECHELON spy system.

Evidence, please.

Belz... 12th May 2016 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274405)
Re-read and address your off beam comments to Patriots Anon . As clearly stated . Not me .
I am the Messenger -- yet again .

You are presenting these arguments here as fact. It is your burden to support these claims. Otherwise they can be dismissed out of hand, which is exactly what I'm doing right now, pending you doing some work to support them.

LSSBB 12th May 2016 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge (Post 11274452)
Please can you indicate;
1) precisely what "a Network Access Point for surveillance" means
2) any evidence that you didn't just pull that assertion out of your backside

I believe it's similar to a Jeffries Tube.

NoahFence 12th May 2016 04:54 AM

:crazy:

fagin 12th May 2016 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Border Reiver (Post 11274422)
I was thinking more of a less grounded Tom Clancy knock-off, maybe something like the old Mack Bolan or Phoenix Force books.

I loved Mack Bolan books when I was about 10. (I seem to remember there were approx. a million of them in the library.)

Jrrarglblarg 12th May 2016 05:49 AM

Thread title is liguistically and conceptually offensive and has been reported. I'm reporting this thread for misuse of the term False Flag. If we allow such abuse of language and concepts we might as well give up and become Facebook, or run for political office.


Who's flag is CERN flying, Malbec? What flag should they be flying, Malbec? Do you understand the nature of my complaint?

BStrong 12th May 2016 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274398)
First know about what you are referring to



CERN is a Network Access Point for surveillance for the ECHELON spy system.

ECHELON is a surveillance program (signals intelligence / SIGINT collection and analysis network) operated on behalf of the five signatory nations to the UKUSA Security Agreement—Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. The program was created in the late 1960s to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies during the Cold War, and was formally established in 1971. By the end of the 20th century, the system referred to as “ECHELON” had allegedly evolved beyond its military and diplomatic origins, to also become “…a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications.”

Britain’s The Guardian newspaper summarized the capabilities of the ECHELON system as follows: “A global network of electronic spy stations that can eavesdrop on telephones, faxes and computers. It can even track bank accounts. This information is stored in ECHELON computers, which can keep millions of records on individuals. Officially, however, Echelon doesn’t exist.”

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Edited by jsfisher:  Moderated content redacted.

It's usually considered to be good form when you cut and paste an article from another source to link to the original material:

http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...am-in-history/

Or are you the owner of/author of the material at Millenium Report?

DuvalHMFIC 12th May 2016 06:51 AM

I always enjoy the forum more when we have the nutters around.

sackett 12th May 2016 07:08 AM

I just nutz about eye ess eff
 
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Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC (Post 11274628)
I always enjoy the forum more when we have the nutters around.

You & me & a lot of others.

And that's why I oppose banning. Ever.








Not that I am criticizing the Mods, peas and butter be all over them, amen, selah.

Malbec 12th May 2016 07:22 AM

Hands up anybody who has read the Millennium report -- which incidentally was not my direct information source, though it seems to amount to the same thing .
I also oppose banning-- except in extreme situations --- for I also love uninformed nutters , mostly like the people who have so far commented .
As you have previously seen , I thrive on ridicule and name calling so you are wasting your time posting in this vein -- unless you are trying to reassure others that you are still part of the snotty nosed , attempted smart arse crowd .
What most amazes me is your absurd anger -- as though your world view has been put out of joint .
None of you notice that the Topic title ends with a squiggle which most people treat as a , Question mark .
So grow up , and if you cannot or will not look at the matter sensibly , hop off elsewhere and get busy .

Rincewind 12th May 2016 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DuvalHMFIC (Post 11274628)
I always enjoy the forum more when we have the nutters around.

:thumbsup:

I'm glad to see that things continued while my laptop was away for a harddiscectomy....

fagin 12th May 2016 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274683)
...I thrive on ridicule and name calling...

Everyone has their little kinks.

Jrrarglblarg 12th May 2016 07:33 AM

Please address the conceptual failure implicit in your thread title. Content of your latest regurgitations can be analyzed in detail once we finish cleaning up the first mess.

False Flag is not a generic term for conspiracy or hoax. It is a specific technical term for a specific type of event. When Mormon settlers in Utah dressed as Indians to attack wagon trains and capture women and children, that was a false flag. When William Randolph Hearst blamed Spain for sinking the Maine, that was NOT a false flag.

Here's the wiki on false flag
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

I suggest you read it and ask mods to fix your title.

AcesHigh 12th May 2016 07:38 AM

So, somehow, NSA has a saying on advanced physics matter, and challenge the validity of the Higgs Boson particle.

I wonder why they would even do that. Shouldn't they be covering the conspiracy?


Anyway, few times i read so much nonsense at the same time.

Btw, CERN can't accelerate particles to light speed. Nothing with mass can reach those speeds.

Joey McGee 12th May 2016 07:43 AM

What else is a false flag?

The Humane Society?

Disney movies?

Ham sandwiches?

abaddon 12th May 2016 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274683)
Hands up anybody who has read the Millennium report -- which incidentally was not my direct information source, though it seems to amount to the same thing .
I also oppose banning-- except in extreme situations --- for I also love uninformed nutters , mostly like the people who have so far commented .
As you have previously seen , I thrive on ridicule and name calling so you are wasting your time posting in this vein -- unless you are trying to reassure others that you are still part of the snotty nosed , attempted smart arse crowd .
What most amazes me is your absurd anger -- as though your world view has been put out of joint .
None of you notice that the Topic title ends with a squiggle which most people treat as a , Question mark .
So grow up , and if you cannot or will not look at the matter sensibly , hop off elsewhere and get busy .

I read it, couldn't stop laughing. It was a steady stream of paranoid delusional crackpottery fueled by outright lies.

It was so bad that it was unintentionally hilarious. You could almost feel the steady drizzle of spittle as the author foamed at the keyboard from thousands of miles away in some fundamentalist compound or possibly a padded cell.

Please tell me you don't believe any of that.

Beerina 12th May 2016 07:55 AM

Where can I read about this official NSA statement that the Higgs Boson experiments are nonsense?

AdamSK 12th May 2016 07:58 AM

There's nothing hidden about CERN's control and structure.

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The CERN council is the highest authority of the Organization and has responsibility for all-important decisions. It controls CERN’s activities in scientific, technical and administrative matters. It approves programmes of activity, adopts the budgets and reviews expenditure. The council is assisted by the Scientific Policy Committee and the Finance Committee. The Director-General, appointed by the council, manages the CERN laboratory. The Director-General is assisted by a directorate and runs the laboratory through a structure of departments.

CERN is run by 21 member states, each of which has two official delegates to the CERN council. One represents his or her government’s administration; the other represents national scientific interests. Each member state has a single vote and most decisions require a simple majority, although in practice the council aims for a consensus as close as possible to unanimity.

The Scientific Policy Committee evaluates the scientific merit of activities proposed by physicists and makes recommendations on CERN’s scientific programme. Its members are scientists elected by their colleagues on the committee and appointed by council on the basis of scientific eminence without reference to nationality. Some members are also elected from non-member states.

The Finance Committee is composed of representatives from national administrations and deals with all issues relating to financial contributions by the member states and to the Organization’s budget and expenditure.

Appointed by council, usually for five years, the Director-General manages CERN. A directorate assists the Director-General, who proposes its members to council. The Director-General reports directly to the council, and can also propose to council any adjustment deemed necessary to meet the evolving needs of the research programme.
The directorate and department heads are listed right on the website. Seems pretty accountable to me.

http://home.cern/about/structure-cern

Jrrarglblarg 12th May 2016 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Beerina (Post 11274753)
Where can I read about this official NSA statement that the Higgs Boson experiments are nonsense?

I believe these theories originate from our system's seventh planet.

DuvalHMFIC 12th May 2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joey McGee (Post 11274721)
What else is a false flag?

The Humane Society?

Disney movies?

Ham sandwiches?

Close, it's actually bacon though:

http://www.scrumptiouschef.com/2016/...veybell-farms/

Giordano 12th May 2016 08:20 AM

Certain posts, even OPs, are themselves false flags that are not really reflections of what the poster themselves believes true but are created for another purpose... Use caution and skepticism before over interpreting!

fuelair 12th May 2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274381)
https://youtu.be/VvyItRFzi-M


Copy quote from Anonymous Patriots

Edited by jsfisher:  Quote added to clearly delineate copied material. Link to one source for it: http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...am-in-history/


They had so far failed to produce anything of public consequence but now possibly can paint perfect circles in the sky , see video .
Incidentally NSA have publicly stated that matters like the Higgs Bosun are nonsense and that the detail data seems bogus .Not that it helps anything anytime .

With this **** I have no further interest in your posts of any kind. You do not exist for any purpose in my posting.

sts60 12th May 2016 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274683)
Hands up anybody who has read the Millennium report -- which incidentally was not my direct information source, though it seems to amount to the same thing .
I also oppose banning-- except in extreme situations --- for I also love uninformed nutters , mostly like the people who have so far commented .
As you have previously seen , I thrive on ridicule and name calling so you are wasting your time posting in this vein -- unless you are trying to reassure others that you are still part of the snotty nosed , attempted smart arse crowd .
What most amazes me is your absurd anger -- as though your world view has been put out of joint .
None of you notice that the Topic title ends with a squiggle which most people treat as a , Question mark .
So grow up , and if you cannot or will not look at the matter sensibly , hop off elsewhere and get busy .

The problem is that you started out with a title that doesn't even match the subject, and went downhill from there. You regurgitated someone else's claims, almost all of which were wrong - the ones that were coherent enough to be parsed, anyway - and provided no evidence for anything. You then admonished people to understand the subject, but neither you nor your source have any idea what you're talking about.

No one is angry with you. You're getting questioned, and you're being ridiculed, but that's it. Since you keep repeating other people's crackpot claims, but run away from defending them when challenged, and admit that you "thrive on ridicule", then why should anybody continue to try to educate you? Why should we not write you off as a troll?

jaydeehess 12th May 2016 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274381)
https://youtu.be/VvyItRFzi-M


Copy quote from Anonymous Patriots

Edited by jsfisher:  Quote added to clearly delineate copied material. Link to one source for it: http://themillenniumreport.com/2016/...am-in-history/

So not a dang thing in this article that can be substantiated at all. IOW its all made up bull hockey.

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They had so far failed to produce anything of public consequence
Perhaps you'd like to define "of public consequence" in relation to the purpose of CERN?

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but now possibly can paint perfect circles in the sky , see video .
Let's pretend I'd like some sort of info on what the H you are talking about before I view an undescribed video.

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Incidentally NSA have publicly stated that matters like the Higgs Bosun are nonsense and that the detail data seems bogus .Not that it helps anything anytime .
Really, when, where, did the NSA state this? Why does the NSA not know how to spell "boson"?

jaydeehess 12th May 2016 08:42 AM

http://home.cern/about
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This content is archived on the CERN Document Server

At CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, physicists and engineers are probing the fundamental structure of the universe. They use the world's largest and most complex scientific instruments to study the basic constituents of matter – the fundamental particles. The particles are made to collide together at close to the speed of light. The process gives the physicists clues about how the particles interact, and provides insights into the fundamental laws of nature.

The instruments used at CERN are purpose-built particle accelerators and detectors. Accelerators boost beams of particles to high energies before the beams are made to collide with each other or with stationary targets. Detectors observe and record the results of these collisions.

Founded in 1954, the CERN laboratory sits astride the Franco-Swiss border near Geneva. It was one of Europe's first joint ventures and now has 21 member states.
You can find more information about how CERN is governed and organised here.

The structure of CERN
http://home.cern/about/structure-cern

Wow, including the copy and paste, that took all of 3 minutes.

Trebuchet 12th May 2016 08:50 AM

CERN, IIRC, is where the WWW was created it. Perhaps the OP should stop using it.

Captain_Swoop 12th May 2016 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by fagin (Post 11274407)
Sounds like a list of plots for a series of rubbish Bond type movies.

Sounds like someone played Deus-Ex

NoahFence 12th May 2016 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malbec (Post 11274683)
Hands up anybody who has read the Millennium report -- which incidentally was not my direct information source, though it seems to amount to the same thing .
I also oppose banning-- except in extreme situations --- for I also love uninformed nutters , mostly like the people who have so far commented .
As you have previously seen , I thrive on ridicule and name calling so you are wasting your time posting in this vein -- unless you are trying to reassure others that you are still part of the snotty nosed , attempted smart arse crowd .
What most amazes me is your absurd anger -- as though your world view has been put out of joint .
None of you notice that the Topic title ends with a squiggle which most people treat as a , Question mark .
So grow up , and if you cannot or will not look at the matter sensibly , hop off elsewhere and get busy .

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