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dudalb 10th April 2019 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12659232)
I'm thinking it's to do with the Mexican border still not being closed. Trump wants it closed and the people he sacked didn't want it closed.

ANd 90% of American Businessmen and Economists think closing the border is a terrible idea which, humantirarian concerns aside, is certain to crash the US Economy. But then Donnie knows better then the experts;his gut feelings are better then knowledge.

dudalb 10th April 2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12660240)
Congratulations to you for having such and enlightened attitude.

Does this mean that you are still supportive of the Iraq War?

I agree Travis's idea is far fetched but you lost me with your second post.
Or have you never made a stupid mistake?

Norman Alexander 10th April 2019 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12661044)
ANd 90% of American Businessmen and Economists think closing the border is a terrible idea which, humantirarian concerns aside, is certain to crash the US Economy. But then Donnie knows better then the experts;his gut feelings are better then knowledge.

But MAGA!

Trebuchet 10th April 2019 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12661105)
But MAGA!

Make America Grotesque Again.

alfaniner 10th April 2019 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12661042)
I hope it does not come to armed resistence to a viscous tyranny, but won't hurt to get in some target practice.

This Administration is rather thick and sticky...

Civet 10th April 2019 09:42 PM

Embarrassingly, I've only just noticed that Scott Gottlieb resigned. I thought he was by far one of the best Trump appointees (whenever people asks about any good that Trump had done, Gottlieb's appointment was one of the few really serious replies I could muster) and I'm not clear why he'd leave now. Any of you guys heard anything?

KDLarsen 11th April 2019 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12661044)
ANd 90% of American Businessmen and Economists think closing the border is a terrible idea which, humantirarian concerns aside, is certain to crash the US Economy. But then Donnie knows better then the experts;his gut feelings are better then knowledge.

Which reminds me of the time Trump started throwing out tarriffs. A reporter asked the White House for a list of economists who were supportive of tarriffs and got back a list of two. One was indeed a economics professor, but he thought tarriffs was a terrible idea, and the other was an amateur blogger with no scholarly background in economics.

Crossbow 11th April 2019 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis (Post 12661037)
You know darned good and well I feel that war was a huge mistake. Why try and take this whole thing off topic?

Well, the last posting I saw from you on this issue was where you said:

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The decision to go to war with Iraq was not itself wrong. The execution of the occupation was terrible and therefore it didn't work out right. But that doesn't mean the decision itself was wrong. If Bush hadn't been awful about how to handle a defeated Iraq the problems now facing the Middle East would not be there.

Think of it like repainting your house. If you use the wrong paint for the trim on some windows and it all peels off in a few years the repainting can be seen as a "failure" but the decision to repaint the house was not wrong.

So trying to turn her vote into some sort of "war crime" is just specious.
Therefore, since you supported the murder of tens of thousands of Iraqis (and perhaps far more), then I find it difficult to believe that you are so terribly concerned about how the people at ICE have been behaving.

dudalb 11th April 2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 12661654)
Well, the last posting I saw from you on this issue was where you said:



Therefore, since you supported the murder of tens of thousands of Iraqis (and perhaps far more), then I find it difficult to believe that you are so terribly concerned about how the people at ICE have been behaving.

I see you indeed don't think people should be allowed to make mistaken judgements.

dudalb 11th April 2019 04:06 PM

Don't know if this qualifies but after 4 GOP senators had negative comments on Herbert Cain, looks as if his floated nomination to the Fed is DOA.
Another Trump nominee whose only qualification is blind loyalty to Trump.

phiwum 11th April 2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12662378)
Don't know if this qualifies but after 4 GOP senators had negative comments on Herbert Cain, looks as if his floated nomination to the Fed is DOA.
Another Trump nominee whose only qualification is blind loyalty to Trump.

George Will had a column today saying that this was another test for the Republican Senators to fail. Let's see if they fail the other test mentioned, Stephen Moore's nomination (also to the Fed).

Norman Alexander 11th April 2019 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12662378)
Don't know if this qualifies but after 4 GOP senators had negative comments on Herbert Cain, looks as if his floated nomination to the Fed is DOA.
Another Trump nominee whose only qualification is blind loyalty to Trump.

Not to mention Cain's publicly demonstrated incompetence and creepy campaign in 2012. But then that never stopped a failed real estate shonk and grifter becoming president, did it.

Crossbow 12th April 2019 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12662343)
I see you indeed don't think people should be allowed to make mistaken judgements.

Well then, you are seeing wrong.

I was just asking 'Travis' for clarification since he has issued such contradictory statements.

Segnosaur 17th April 2019 07:35 PM

Looks like there is a chance Rick Perry might be leaving the Department of Energy.

From: http://time.com/5572897/rick-perry-e...uit-departure/
Energy Secretary Rick Perry is planning to leave the Trump administration and is finalizing the terms and timing of his departure, according to two people familiar with his plans. While Perry’s exit isn’t imminent and one person familiar with the matter said the former Texas governor still hasn’t fully made up his mind, three people said he has been seriously considering his departure for weeks.

So, a guy who didn't know what the Department of Energy actually did before he was appointed may be leaving the office. But despite being completely unsuited for the job, he managed to at least not get caught wasting money (like Zinke and his private flights) or lying to congress (Sessions). And he probably didn't give away any U.S. nuclear secrets. I guess that makes him a star in the Trump cabinet.

Timing is strange... right around when the Mueller report is to be released. But, I don't think there'd be any reason to suspect Perry was implicated. (Unless he thinks the Report will make Trump look really bad and doesn't want to be around it.)

Beelzebuddy 17th April 2019 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12668018)
Timing is strange... right around when the Mueller report is to be released. But, I don't think there'd be any reason to suspect Perry was implicated. (Unless he thinks the Report will make Trump look really bad and doesn't want to be around it.)

Or is planning to challenge Trump in the primary.

Segnosaur 17th April 2019 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 12668034)
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Timing is strange... right around when the Mueller report is to be released. But, I don't think there'd be any reason to suspect Perry was implicated. (Unless he thinks the Report will make Trump look really bad and doesn't want to be around it.)
Or is planning to challenge Trump in the primary.

That would be foolish... Trump pretty much has a hammerlock on the racist core of the Republican party, and I can't see them abandoning Trump for Perry.

Beelzebuddy 17th April 2019 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12668050)
That would be foolish... Trump pretty much has a hammerlock on the racist core of the Republican party, and I can't see them abandoning Trump for Perry.

Right, Trump would have to be unhorsed by scandal first. Maybe the Mueller report shows Trump doing something truly unforgivable, like having a shred of moral integrity after all. But if so, better for Perry to be prepared beforehand than circle like a vulture afterward.

Either that or he got caught groping an employee or something.

quadraginta 18th April 2019 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 12668068)
Right, Trump would have to be unhorsed by scandal first. Maybe the Mueller report shows Trump doing something truly unforgivable, like having a shred of moral integrity after all. But if so, better for Perry to be prepared beforehand than circle like a vulture afterward.

Either that or he got caught groping an employee or something.


Probably not this. He's a Republican. If he had been caught doing something like that he'd be denying it.

Loudly. And repeatedly.

With aspersions being cast on whoever the victim was.

IOW, we'd hear about it.

Norman Alexander 23rd April 2019 06:04 AM

Is Rick Perry one of those ultra-transparent people that sort of blend into the wallpaper even when he is the only person in the room?

Trebuchet 23rd April 2019 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12673454)
Is Rick Perry one of those ultra-transparent people that sort of blend into the wallpaper even when he is the only person in the room?

We certainly haven't been hearing much from him since he was selected to head the Department of I-Forget-The-Other-One.

Dr. Keith 23rd April 2019 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12673544)
We certainly haven't been hearing much from him since he was selected to head the Department of I-Forget-The-Other-One.

DC won't let him parade around with a handgun. There's a longing there that short trips home just won't fulfill. "Family reasons" will be the public face of that.

d4m10n 29th April 2019 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 12559958)
The talk is that Rosenstein will be going once Bar is confirmed.

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12561400)
Let's hope the new AG takes a hands-off approach.

And there it is:
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/sta...75584944922624

Norman Alexander 29th April 2019 04:16 PM

Bye, Rosenstein.

OK, who's next? Or better still, who's left?

thaiboxerken 29th April 2019 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12679994)
Bye, Rosenstein.

OK, who's next? Or better still, who's left?

They're trying to make sure there are no lefts in the government.

The Great Zaganza 29th April 2019 08:17 PM

Rosenstein could have walked away smelling like his namesake instead of the compost heap aroma that's now stuck to him forever.

Norman Alexander 29th April 2019 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 12680155)
They're trying to make sure there are no lefts in the government.

Someone has to be the furthest from the absolute right at any one time. That would make them the "most left" person in the house and thus subject to derision.

Think about it...

quadraginta 30th April 2019 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12680264)
Someone has to be the furthest from the absolute right at any one time. That would make them the "most left" person in the house and thus subject to derision.

Think about it...


That's pretty much how the GOP handles it here.

They can claim that both Clintons and Obama are "leftists" without even cracking a smile.

And by comparison to their people it is true.

It helps them to keep the target moving.

Norman Alexander 30th April 2019 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12681330)
That's pretty much how the GOP handles it here.

They can claim that both Clintons and Obama are "leftists" without even cracking a smile.

And by comparison to their people it is true.

It helps them to keep the target moving.

The corollary is that, once they have "eliminated" the furthest left, there will still be people "on the left". Just not so far "on the left". Repeat, and soon enough you will be cutting your own left arm off to spite your right. Even though it is doing a Nazi salute.

Trebuchet 30th April 2019 07:07 PM

Everybody here seems to have forgotten to enclose Rosenstein in triple parentheses. Of course, even I suspect he's got a book deal.

Armitage72 1st May 2019 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12681330)
That's pretty much how the GOP handles it here.

They can claim that both Clintons and Obama are "leftists" without even cracking a smile.

And by comparison to their people it is true.

It helps them to keep the target moving.



I saw a joke years ago that the modern definition of Leftist was "anyone slightly to the right of Ronald Reagan". It's gotten even worse since then.

Trebuchet 1st May 2019 08:42 AM

Reagan himself was a leftist by the standards of today's Republicans.

d4m10n 1st June 2019 06:29 PM

Emmet Flood, out!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...er-emmet-flood

Lurch 1st June 2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12713638)

The eponymous part of this exodus-like flood out of 1600 Penn. A veritable diaspora of wreckage cast to the four winds. The debased mementos of Trump's anti-Midas' touch; the ongoing affirmation of that which Trump touches dies.

Craig4 2nd June 2019 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12673454)
Is Rick Perry one of those ultra-transparent people that sort of blend into the wallpaper even when he is the only person in the room?

It's just possible that he is self aware enough to know how intellectually outclassed he is at the Department of Energy and just stays out of the way.

Trebuchet 2nd June 2019 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12713888)
It's just possible that he is self aware enough to know how intellectually outclassed he is at the Department of Energy I-Forget-The-Other-One and just stays out of the way.

FTFY.

Intellectually outclassed by the sort of people who do press releases on "Freedom Gas" and " Molecules of US Freedom"? That's going some!

I think Norman Alexander is probably correct. Like the similarly incompetent Ben Carson, he's in a department Trump doesn't care about and as long as he stays quiet, he's invisible.

Norman Alexander 2nd June 2019 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12713935)
FTFY.

Intellectually outclassed by the sort of people who do press releases on "Freedom Gas" and " Molecules of US Freedom"? That's going some!

I think Norman Alexander is probably correct. Like the similarly incompetent Ben Carson, he's in a department Trump doesn't care about and as long as he stays quiet, he's invisible.

I can't help thinking the "Freedom Gas" and "Molecules of Freedom" thing is some sort of college-style prank that has gone right over the heads of the DoE bosses because they are such fools.

I suspect most DoE employees are pretty smart people and some of them can probably write very well. And most of them think their boss and the new Trump PR machine are thick appointee twats hell-bent on the diametric opposite of the department's mission statement. So the whole wording of the memo reads as complete and utter sarcasm...which, sure enough, went public!

Of course, if it wasn't a joke, and really did come from the top level... :jaw-dropp

ponderingturtle 4th June 2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12713888)
It's just possible that he is self aware enough to know how intellectually outclassed he is at the Department of Energy and just stays out of the way.

Hell he finally found out what it did after heading it. He never knew he would be responsible for the nukes.

d4m10n 12th June 2019 05:40 AM

Visual recap (thread-to-date):

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...850cb669ac.jpg

p.s. Moving my chips on to Secretary Chao.

The Great Zaganza 13th June 2019 09:28 AM

In a somewhat normal White House, Krazy Kellyanne would be a goner:

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...fice-for-hatch

The Office of Special Counsel send a report to Trump, calling for Conway to be removed for her many violations of the Hatch Act.

Minoosh 13th June 2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox News
Flood criticized Mueller in a five-page letter dated April 19 in which he reacted to his final report for not reaching a final conclusion regarding potential obstruction of justice charges against Trump.

“The Special Counsel and his staff failed in their duty to act as prosecutors and only as prosecutors,” Flood wrote, complaining that the report "suffers from an extraordinary legal defect" by failing to comply with the "requirements of governing law."

The report showed Mueller was unable to prove ties between Russia and the Trump campaign. He declined to make a determination about whether Trump committed obstruction of justice.

Mueller grasped the nature of his dilemma. If he had reached a final conclusion, certainly Flood would have criticized that as well.

I wonder who the letter was to. These days "letters" seem to just be press releases.

I don't read enough Fox News to notice any changes in trends, but their reporting seems pretty neutral here. Technically maybe they should have tried to get Mueller's reaction, but maybe they did when the letter was first releases April 19. I wonder if the ongoing misrepresentation/obstruction/collusion concerns is ever going to prompt Mueller to say anything. Probably not.


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