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d4m10n 14th June 2018 06:00 AM

Moving my chips over to Sanders.

https://twitter.com/TPM/status/1007217222769692672

TheL8Elvis 14th June 2018 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12327094)

"Sanders has told friends that she will leave the Trump administration by the end of the year"

I'm keeping pruitt in front of her. They keep gunning for him...

d4m10n 14th June 2018 06:32 AM

They?

Trebuchet 14th June 2018 10:26 AM

You, know, They. As in "That's what They want you to think".

TheL8Elvis 14th June 2018 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12327120)
They?

Many dems and even some republicans keep voicing Opposition to him, and the press has been pretty relentlessly on him as well.

Sorry to be unclear who/what I meant.

dudalb 15th June 2018 04:47 PM

A lot of reports surfacing that Pruitt will be gone by the end of next week.

Trebuchet 15th June 2018 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12328907)
A lot of reports surfacing that Pruitt will be gone by the end of next week.

They just need to settle on a nominee who hates the environment even more than Pruitt. Who, by the way wants to bring back asbestos. His boss (for the moment) agrees.

The best people.

Stacko 18th June 2018 04:52 PM

Wilbur Ross has timed his scandal hitting the news quite well.

Quote:

...Ross promised to divest from almost all his holdings upon entering government, drawing bipartisan praise en route to an easy confirmation. “You have really made a very personal sacrifice,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut. “Your service has resulted in your divesting yourself of literally hundreds of millions of dollars.” In November 2017, Ross confirmed in writing to the federal Office of Government Ethics that he had divested everything he promised.

But that was not true. After weeks of investigation, Forbes found:
  • For most of last year, Ross served as secretary of commerce while maintaining stakes in companies co-owned by the Chinese government, a shipping firm tied to Vladimir Putin’s inner circle, a Cypriot bank reportedly caught up in the Robert Mueller investigation and a huge player in an industry Ross is now investigating. It’s hard to imagine a more radioactive portfolio for a cabinet member.
  • To this day, Ross’ family apparently continues to have an interest in these toxic holdings. Rather than dump them all, the commerce secretary sold some of his interests to Goldman Sachs—and, according to Ross himself, put others in a trust for his family members. He continued to deal with China, Russia and others while evidently knowing that his family’s interests were tied to those countries.
  • In addition, five days before reports surfaced last fall that Ross was connected to cronies of Vladimir Putin through a shipping firm called Navigator Holdings, the secretary of commerce, who likely knew about the reporting, shorted stock in the Kremlin-linked company, positioning himself to make money on the investment when share prices dropped.
  • Absurdly, maintaining all those conflicts of interest appears to be entirely legal—a reflection of ethics laws woefully unprepared for governing tycoons like Donald Trump and Wilbur Ross.
  • Ross appears to have broken one law, however: submitting a sworn statement to federal officials in November saying he divested of everything he had promised he would—even though he still held more than $10 million worth of stock in financial firm Invesco, his former employer. He also continued to hold a short position in a bank called Sun Bancorp, a company he had promised to divest. The next month, Ross got rid of interests in both.


Norman Alexander 18th June 2018 07:01 PM

Bet Ross is not the only one with a convoluted self-serving set of business arrangements like that. I can think of another so-called billionaire who will have an equally fascinating financial history to be revealed.

d4m10n 28th June 2018 05:40 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-c...lly-1530212632

Norman Alexander 28th June 2018 07:24 PM

Or Mattis?

dudalb 28th June 2018 08:40 PM

Pruitt seems to be hanging in their.Guess massive corrouption is OK if a Fellow Republican does it.....

Trebuchet 29th June 2018 09:15 AM

TV news is talking Kelly this morning. WH says it's Fake News, so there's probably something to it.

Norman Alexander 3rd July 2018 10:53 PM

OK, maybe it's going to be easier to say who is staying, rather than who will be going. Because all the WH staff look to be teetering over the edge of the abyss.

The Don 3rd July 2018 11:22 PM

After the apparent chaos of the early part of the Trump Administration where it seemed that senior members were leaving on a weekly basis, we seem to have reached a situation where there is a stable (or at least consistent) team assembled around the President.

I'm too biased to be able to say whether this means that we have a well-oiled and smoothly operating machine at the top of government or whether President Trump has cobbled together a motley group who are so desperate to remain in position and/or so bought into the ethos of the Trump Presidency that they are eager to serve or whether this group are simply compliant enough not to give President Trump too many reasons to fire them.

Foolmewunz 4th July 2018 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12344165)
Pruitt seems to be hanging in their.Guess massive corrouption is OK if a Fellow Republican does it.....

Pruitt's great for us.... his whole team leaks like a fork trying to scoop up consomme. The latest pettiness with one of his former aides blowing the whistle on the calendar-doctoring is pure gold.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/02/p...dar/index.html

The Don 5th July 2018 12:49 PM

Scott Pruitt out

Quote:

Scandal-hit Scott Pruitt has resigned as head of the US Environmental Protection Agency.

President Donald Trump said Mr Pruitt had done "an outstanding job, and I will always be thankful to him".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44733072

d4m10n 5th July 2018 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12327103)
I'm keeping pruitt in front of her.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

ponderingturtle 5th July 2018 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12349748)
After the apparent chaos of the early part of the Trump Administration where it seemed that senior members were leaving on a weekly basis, we seem to have reached a situation where there is a stable (or at least consistent) team assembled around the President.

I'm too biased to be able to say whether this means that we have a well-oiled and smoothly operating machine at the top of government or whether President Trump has cobbled together a motley group who are so desperate to remain in position and/or so bought into the ethos of the Trump Presidency that they are eager to serve or whether this group are simply compliant enough not to give President Trump too many reasons to fire them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12351407)
Scott Pruitt out

So less than 48 hours after that consistency we have a major individual leaving. Who's next?

Norman Alexander 5th July 2018 01:09 PM

Surprised Pruitt lasted that long. But the real question is which performing monkey is he going to be replaced with. Or is Mafia Don going to run the EPA by himself as well. Or just not bother with replacing him at all (that option actually has odds!)

Trebuchet 5th July 2018 01:19 PM

Memo to self: Upon taking power and deciding to appoint an agency head with the intention of destroying that agency, remember not to appoint one who is so ridiculously venal as to draw unwanted attention to what he's doing.

ETA: I wonder if Pruitt actually know about it yet.

Stacko 5th July 2018 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 12351407)

Tomorrow's not going to be a very productive day for the EPA. Everyone is going to show up and all the office supplies will be gone.

varwoche 5th July 2018 02:12 PM

Pruitt's cone of silence should be relocated to the Smithsonian, for posterity.

Trebuchet 5th July 2018 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 12351541)
Pruitt's cone of silence should be relocated to the Smithsonian, for posterity.

Is it also a Faraday cage? They should relocate it to the Oval Office and tell Trump it's a secure place for him to Tweet from.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12351436)
Surprised Pruitt lasted that long. But the real question is which performing monkey is he going to be replaced with. Or is Mafia Don going to run the EPA by himself as well. Or just not bother with replacing him at all (that option actually has odds!)


The place would probably run better if he didn't.

Certainly better than it did with Pruitt in charge.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12351455)
Memo to self: Upon taking power and deciding to appoint an agency head with the intention of destroying that agency, remember not to appoint one who is so ridiculously venal as to draw unwanted attention to what he's doing.

ETA: I wonder if Pruitt actually know about it yet.


Trump put out a tweet. How much more warning can anyone working for him expect?

It isn't like Cabinet level appointees or heads of agencies deserve any more consideration than that.

quadraginta 5th July 2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12351568)
Is it also a Faraday cage? They should relocate it to the Oval Office and tell Trump it's a secure place for him to Tweet from.


They could just get a regular cage for that. Trump wouldn't know any different, and they already have models to work from at the government summer camps.

Norman Alexander 5th July 2018 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12351648)
They could just get a regular cage for that. Trump wouldn't know any different, and they already have models to work from at the government summer camps.

Indeed! They should put him in one, lock it, and throw the key in the Gulf of Mexico.

Foolmewunz 5th July 2018 08:31 PM

Oh, Pruitt knew about it; he's already issued his accusations of a witch hunt (or variations thereof). Could've been ghosted by Trump's ghostwriters.

And on the good news front... the number two will take over, and he was merely a lobbyist for the coal industry; I'm sure things will improve (for members of certain golf clubs in W. Virginia).

Stacko 5th July 2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12351829)
Oh, Pruitt knew about it; he's already issued his accusations of a witch hunt (or variations thereof). Could've been ghosted by Trump's ghostwriters.

And on the good news front... the number two will take over, and he was merely a lobbyist for the coal industry; I'm sure things will improve (for members of certain golf clubs in W. Virginia).

Not just any lobbyist for the coal industry but a lobbyist for the coal company Murray Energy of Last Week Tonight fame. To be succinct:
Andrew Wheeler as the head of EPA is the equivalent of a tobacco lobbyist heading up HHS.

PhantomWolf 6th July 2018 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12351832)
Not just any lobbyist for the coal industry but a lobbyist for the coal company Murray Energy of Last Week Tonight fame. To be succinct:
Andrew Wheeler as the head of EPA is the equivalent of a tobacco lobbyist heading up HHS.

With Trump, it's swamp creatures all the way down.

Norman Alexander 12th July 2018 07:39 PM

OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

NoahFence 12th July 2018 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12360044)
OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

Trump.

Trebuchet 12th July 2018 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12360044)
OK, Pruitt gone. Who's next?

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12360048)
Trump.

Dreamer.

Anyhow, we need to get rid of Pence first, then take the House, THEN get rid of Trump. President Pelosi.

d4m10n 14th July 2018 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12360048)
Trump.

Maybe when he gets alone w/ Putin, he'll ask for political asylum.

Jim_MDP 14th July 2018 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12361793)
Maybe when he gets alone w/ Putin, he'll ask for political asylum.

What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

alfaniner 14th July 2018 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 12361829)
What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.

quadraginta 14th July 2018 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12361871)
He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.


In Trump's case even with a document it doesn't mean much.

Jim_MDP 14th July 2018 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12361871)
He can (and does) promise anything. Without a document it means nothing.

Well... what if Vlad pops one of those "Escape from LA" dissolving explosive pellets in Donny's neck?

Sorry... got lost [s]wishing[/s] imagining there for a minute. :D

LSSBB 14th July 2018 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP (Post 12361829)
What are the odds of Donny getting out of the room without giving up the sanctions on that half trillion dollar drilling/exploration project that Exxon and Tillerson (and Vlad) want?
Not sure I'd walk into the room.
Just sayin' :D

Art of the Deal. He deals the cards, and the other players take them and play the actual game.

Craig4 15th July 2018 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12360099)
Dreamer.

Anyhow, we need to get rid of Pence first, then take the House, THEN get rid of Trump. President Pelosi.

I think we might be getting close to Trump's end game. If he resigns, it's going to happen very quickly after. If there's a quid pro quo pay for play with Cohen with money going to Trump for access, or the Russians let the pee video out, he might very quickly resign. There won't be long drawn out impeachment hearings. It's going to be something that just pops up and in a few days he's an ex-president secluded in one of his private gold clubs.

Trebuchet 15th July 2018 05:02 PM

I can't picture Trump voluntarily leaving the White House by resigning, being defeated, or even after his two terms are up.

Craig4 16th July 2018 06:17 PM

I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.

quadraginta 16th July 2018 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12364526)
I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.


I can't. He's made a point of selecting people who can't function when they are there, and seems to be filtering out the ones who show signs that they might be able to.

So it wouldn't amount to much of a change.

Stacyhs 16th July 2018 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12364526)
I can see him being driven from office by so many resignations that he can no longer function. He will blame Democrats or the fake news or something. I don't expect nor do I care if he takes responsibility. History will judge him without regard to his protestations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 12364688)
I can't. He's made a point of selecting people who can't function when they are there, and seems to be filtering out the ones who show signs that they might be able to.

So it wouldn't amount to much of a change.

His staff have already proved themselves willing to sell their souls for their jobs. If any of them had a scintilla of self-respect or honor, they lost it long before now.

Craig4 18th July 2018 03:29 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

The Don 18th July 2018 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12366063)
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

Even though Kelly gave them the green light, it's revealing that no-one with anything to lose chose to do so. Perhaps they knew that he meant "wouldn't" instead of "would" :rolleyes:

LSSBB 18th July 2018 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12366063)
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ess-conference

And it looks like we have our next winner.

If he's gone, that means he's free to run for President!

dudalb 18th July 2018 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12363203)
I can't picture Trump voluntarily leaving the White House by resigning, being defeated, or even after his two terms are up.

ANother reason why a lot of people have changed their minds about private gun ownership since Trump took office...

PhantomWolf 18th July 2018 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12366689)
ANother reason why a lot of people have changed their minds about private gun ownership since Trump took office...

Which really is a stupid reason. If the military was in support of his actions, then no amount of home weaponry will match their might, and if they aren't, then the civilian's guns aren't needed to deal with him.

Either way, buying guns for political reasons is totally silly.


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