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Norman Alexander 24th August 2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12406300)
SO the Apprentice Deplorable has to battle a Master Depolirable to take his place....

That is TV I would SO not tune in for.

LSSBB 24th August 2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12397792)
In many ways, this may be good. I'm not thrilled that he can't control Trump, but he's a grownup.

This is exactly it. Kelly is keeping the WH out of utter and absolute chaos. If there is any kind of soft landing, it's due to his leadership and handling of Trump I would imagine.

dudalb 24th August 2018 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12406537)
That is TV I would SO not tune in for.

Even with "Duel Of The Fates" playing in the back ground?

dudalb 24th August 2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12406561)
This is exactly it. Kelly is keeping the WH out of utter and absolute chaos. If there is any kind of soft landing, it's due to his leadership and handling of Trump I would imagine.

Yeah, Kelly is trying to be the Al Haig of this White House.

d4m10n 24th August 2018 03:56 PM

Personally I'm betting on the KKKeebler elf

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...senate-mueller

dudalb 24th August 2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12406628)
Personally I'm betting on the KKKeebler elf

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...senate-mueller

And the two Senators got swatted down by the Senate Leadership and most of the other GOP Senators. Seems to be quite a civil war within the GOP ranks on this.

Foolmewunz 24th August 2018 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12406628)
Personally I'm betting on the KKKeebler elf

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/pol...senate-mueller

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12406631)
And the two Senators got swatted down by the Senate Leadership and most of the other GOP Senators. Seems to be quite a civil war within the GOP ranks on this.

Didn't Graham have a brief flirtation (not a full blown relationship) with sanity at one point, calling out Trump for one of his more egregious outbursts. I take it that was just posturing? Has Donnie promised to open a resort in South Carolina?

Minoosh 24th August 2018 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12406784)
Didn't Graham have a brief flirtation (not a full blown relationship) with sanity at one point, calling out Trump for one of his more egregious outbursts. I take it that was just posturing? Has Donnie promised to open a resort in South Carolina?

I'd like to think Graham is setting Trump up, but I'd probably be wrong.

Graham loves John McCain. I wonder if he is just the teensiest bit conflicted. I always felt like he forced himself to like Trump, thinking they ultimately had the same political agenda. He has been a fairly vocal critic of Trump in the past.

Oystein 25th August 2018 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12406561)
This is exactly it. Kelly is keeping the WH out of utter and absolute chaos. If there is any kind of soft landing, it's due to his leadership and handling of Trump I would imagine.

I wonder how many chapters and pages of the inevitable Kelly book are already written, and how much he has already been pledged for by the highest bidding publisher.

Craig4 25th August 2018 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Oystein (Post 12406997)
I wonder how many chapters and pages of the inevitable Kelly book are already written, and how much he has already been pledged for by the highest bidding publisher.

I'm not sure there's going to be much market for that kind of tell-all once this is all over. Once he's gone, the country may just want to go into a "now let's never speak of this again" phase for a while. He, and everyone else needs to get out now and get their books out now while we're watching the scandal.

Oystein 25th August 2018 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407003)
I'm not sure there's going to be much market for that kind of tell-all once this is all over. Once he's gone, the country may just want to go into a "now let's never speak of this again" phase for a while. He, and everyone else needs to get out now and get their books out now while we're watching the scandal.

The perfect time, the height of the crisis, is not yet there. I make no prediction as to when it will be. Kelly surely has, or will have, better insight into that, such that he will know when to finalize the book. His view is so much more upclose, and at the same time his personal reputation is still so much better than that of pretty much all with as much proximity to Trump, that he should stand a decent chance of publishing the frontrunner of all the books and films and games that will come out very quickly once the dam breaks.

Craig4 25th August 2018 09:53 AM

The books that I'll have no interest in will be from Kelly Ann Conway and the Bitch Queen of the Briefing Room. How could you believe a word from either?

LSSBB 25th August 2018 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407156)
The books that I'll have no interest in will be from Kelly Ann Conway and the Bitch Queen of the Briefing Room. How could you believe a word from either?

I'd be interested in them.


I could always use more Alpha class material for the backyard bonfire.

Armitage72 25th August 2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407156)
The books that I'll have no interest in will be from Kelly Ann Conway and the Bitch Queen of the Briefing Room. How could you believe a word from either?


"Grand Leader Trump was onboard Air Force One when he was suddenly attacked by a trained alligator sent by ISIS. Subduing the beast with his bare hands, he heroically leapt from the plane to deal with the terrorists infiltrating the White House far below. Air-surfing on the back of the alligator, something only possible for someone with his unmatched skill, he arrived just in time to save Melania from ISIS gunmen. Landing with an athletic roll as the alligator clamped its jaws on the ISIS leader, Grand Leader Trump snatched his weapon and effortlessly cut down the other terrorists."

(Bonus points if you can identify what I roughly adapted this from.)

Pixel42 25th August 2018 12:00 PM

Ace Rimmer?

Armitage72 25th August 2018 01:02 PM

What a guy.

Norman Alexander 25th August 2018 01:49 PM

So in reality it's President Kelly and Donny, the goofy old prankster of the Whitehouse?

LSSBB 25th August 2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12407349)
So in reality it's President Kelly and Donny, the goofy old prankster of the Whitehouse?

Picture the Incredible Oz as orange instead of green, and also pulling the levers himself as the little man behind the curtain desperately runs around trying to put the levers back the right way.

The Great Zaganza 25th August 2018 11:58 PM

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is a goner, sooner rather than later.

The outcries about how devastating it would be if he got fired only makes people stop and think: wait a moment - it won't be that bad.
The only reason why it hasn't happened yet is because Trump hasn't lined up a sufficiently pliable and suicidal replacement.

Craig4 26th August 2018 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12407748)
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is a goner, sooner rather than later.

The outcries about how devastating it would be if he got fired only makes people stop and think: wait a moment - it won't be that bad.
The only reason why it hasn't happened yet is because Trump hasn't lined up a sufficiently pliable and suicidal replacement.

Seems obvious to me. The replacement is Lindsey Graham.

Foolmewunz 26th August 2018 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407888)
Seems obvious to me. The replacement is Lindsey Graham.

Well, Lindsey's obviously campaigning for the job but Donnie likes to hang supplicants out to dry. Remember Big Chris Christie? Rudy Giuliani? They both thought they had big positions in their future.

Stacyhs 26th August 2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407888)
Seems obvious to me. The replacement is Lindsey Graham.

But will Graham be willing to sign the personal loyalty pledge to Trump? :D

Norman Alexander 26th August 2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12406602)
Even with "Duel Of The Fates" playing in the back ground?

:D Maybe Yakkety Sax.

d4m10n 27th August 2018 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12406784)
Didn't Graham have a brief flirtation (not a full blown relationship) with sanity at one point, calling out Trump for one of his more egregious outbursts.

Only around a year ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us...sessions-fired

The Great Zaganza 27th August 2018 07:44 AM

Trump won't get a hearing for a new AG done quickly, leaving him with Rosenstein in total control.

ponderingturtle 27th August 2018 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12405847)
And at least he's not a deplorable. He's only got his Despicable Third Class badge; needs a couple of points to get up to Apprentice Deplorable. Maybe we should publish some more of his Homeland Security record?

Yea he is an honest scumbag who supports children's concentration camps but is likely not corrupt in the sense of illegally profiting from his position.

We have gotten a pretty weak definition of not deplorable.

Trebuchet 27th August 2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12408808)
Trump won't get a hearing for a new AG done quickly, leaving him with Rosenstein in total control.

He can just fire Rosenstein as well. There's a precedent for that.
Who's number three at the DoJ these days?

Norman Alexander 27th August 2018 04:43 PM

Not a White House person, but another relatively important resignation: Seth Frotman, Student Load Ombudsman, CFPB. On the grounds of "the White House’s open hostility toward protecting the nation’s millions of student loan borrowers."

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Seth Frotman will be stepping down as student loan ombudsman at the end of the week, according to his resignation letter. He held that position since 2016, but has been with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

...

The office was at the center of the lawsuits against for-profit institutions like Corinthian Colleges and is currently heading up a lawsuit between the CFPB and Navient, one of the nation’s largest student lenders. The Navient lawsuit has been mired in bureaucratic red tape as the Department of Education, headed by Betsy DeVos, has been unwilling to help the CFPB with their lawsuit. Since its creation, the student loan office has returned $750m to harmed borrowers.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ouse-hostility

thaiboxerken 27th August 2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12408818)
He can just fire Rosenstein as well. There's a precedent for that.
Who's number three at the DoJ these days?

Brian A. Benczkowski who is a Trump loyalist and so dirty that even a Mentos wouldn't help.

Firestone 29th August 2018 07:53 AM

Don McGahn will leave in the fall.

At least, that is what Trump has tweeted.

The Great Zaganza 29th August 2018 07:57 AM

When you get down to it, all this White House needs to function is a fridge refilled daily with Cola Light.

d4m10n 29th August 2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 12410710)
Don McGahn will leave in the fall.

At least, that is what Trump has tweeted.

I'd be willing to bet someone else will be ejected from the island before then.

phiwum 29th August 2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12411297)
I'd be willing to bet someone else will be ejected from the island before then.

I'll take that wager, if the cutoff point is the midterms.

Dr. Keith 30th August 2018 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12411297)
I'd be willing to bet someone else will be ejected from the island before then.

I'd wager that McGahn will be gone before the confirmation hearings for a SCOTUS nominee are started.

dudalb 30th August 2018 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12411297)
I'd be willing to bet someone else will be ejected from the island before then.

I am not expecteing any bombshells before the election, though.

Segnosaur 30th August 2018 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 12407748)
Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III is a goner, sooner rather than later.

The outcries about how devastating it would be if he got fired only makes people stop and think: wait a moment - it won't be that bad.
The only reason why it hasn't happened yet is because Trump hasn't lined up a sufficiently pliable and suicidal replacement.

Sessions is not a good AG. He's racist, and his drug polices are foolish. But, at this point he seems to be willing to protect the Mueller investigation.

Should Trump fire him, he will likely replace him with someone who is just as bad (in terms of being racist/unqualified) but with the side effect that the new person would kill the Mueller Investigation.

So the options are:
- Sessions: Incompetent racist who is allowing Trump's crimes to be investigated
- New AG: incompetent racist who is going to allow Trump free reign to break laws

Trebuchet 30th August 2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12412142)
Sessions is not a good AG. He's racist, and his drug polices are foolish. But, at this point he seems to be willing to protect the Mueller investigation.

Should Trump fire him, he will likely replace him with someone who is just as bad (in terms of being racist/unqualified) but with the side effect that the new person would kill the Mueller Investigation.

So the options are:
- Sessions: Incompetent racist who is allowing Trump's crimes to be investigated
- New AG: incompetent racist who is going to allow Trump free reign to break laws

Except the new AG has to be confirmed. That could be tough with just over two months before the midterm. With Sessions fired, Rosenstein would be in charge in the interim. Trump isn't going to want that, so he'd have to fire Rosenstein too. That didn't work out well for Nixon.

Segnosaur 30th August 2018 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12412191)
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Sessions is not a good AG. He's racist, and his drug polices are foolish. But, at this point he seems to be willing to protect the Mueller investigation.
Except the new AG has to be confirmed. That could be tough with just over two months before the midterm. With Sessions fired, Rosenstein would be in charge in the interim. Trump isn't going to want that, so he'd have to fire Rosenstein too. That didn't work out well for Nixon.

There's a difference...

The political right had more integrity back then. Congress-critters were a little less extremist/partisan, and former supporters/voters were willing to turn their backs on Nixon when watergate came out. Now, Trump has children locked in cages and he still enjoys ~40% support. And while occasionally a republican politician will speak out against Trump, when it comes down it, they will likely fall in line.

If Trump were to fire Sessions (and probably Rosenstien), they may complain (with more empty rhetoric in public, and in private about how it hurts their midterm chance) but I wouldn't be surprised to see republican senators fast track a replacement, lest the Democrats somehow mange to take the Senate in the midterms and they demand an actual competent replacement.

Trebuchet 31st August 2018 10:51 AM

The White House Ethics Advisor has resigned.

LSSBB 31st August 2018 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12413064)
The White House Ethics Advisor has resigned.

His presence was undetectable anyway.

dudalb 31st August 2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12407888)
Seems obvious to me. The replacement is Lindsey Graham.

Nah, I don't think Graham is quite subserevant to Trump enough for Donnie.

jimbob 31st August 2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12413064)
The White House Ethics Advisor has resigned.

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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12413067)
His presence was undetectable anyway.

That story is from November

Trebuchet 31st August 2018 01:16 PM

And then there's this guy, who's not exactly White House but a True Trumper nonetheless:
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In one email from 2015, Smith responded to a group dinner invitation whose host said his home would be “judenfrei,” a German word used by the Nazis during World War II to describe territory that had been “cleansed” of Jews during the Holocaust.

“They don’t call it Freitag for nothing,” Smith replied, using the German word for “Friday,” according to the Atlantic. “I was planning to hit the bar during the dinner hours and talk to people like Matt Parrot, etc.,” Smith added, a reference to the former spokesman for the neo-Nazi Traditionalist Worker Party.

Trebuchet 31st August 2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12413091)
That story is from November

Well, crappe. It popped up somewhere for me, perhaps he's just now actually going? Dunno.

dudalb 31st August 2018 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12413183)
And then there's this guy, who's not exactly White House but a True Trumper nonetheless:

The Best People.......

ANd the guy being named Ian Smith is just too appropriate......If you remember the history of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe

Trebuchet 31st August 2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12413192)
The Best People.......

ANd the guy being named Ian Smith is just too appropriate......If you remember the history of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe

Yup, I intended to mention that but forgot.

Firestone 1st September 2018 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12413091)
That story is from November

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12413191)
Well, crappe. It popped up somewhere for me, perhaps he's just now actually going? Dunno.

It's another one than the guy from November.

"White House ethics lawyer Stefan Passantino is leaving the Trump administration, a senior White House official told NBC News on Thursday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ration-n905031


From the same article: "Passantino — who had been in charge of making sure White House officials complied with government ethics rules"

So yeah:
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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12413067)
His presence was undetectable anyway.


The Great Zaganza 1st September 2018 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LSSBB (Post 12413067)
His presence was undetectable anyway.

...in the same way you don't notice a dam until it bursts...

Giordano 1st September 2018 01:27 PM

I have often wondered why Sessions has resisted Trump's many insults and demands by continuing to recluse himself from the special investigation and defending, however weakly, the concept of a independent Justice Department. Does Sessions actually possess some vestige of a soul, some remnants of morality after all? It seemed so implausible. But now I think I got it! Despite his denials under oath, Sessions was deeply involved in the collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and realizes that he would be opening himself up to very serious charges of obstructing justice if he does anything to head off the investigation. And, given the latest from Papadopoulos, Session must know that the evidence of his role in the Russian connection is out there and that he has to tread very softly. Better to take no action and have your genitals, character, and intelligence repeatedly demeaned by the POTUS than to give in to Trump and to wake up one morning charged with an easily proven felony.

Trebuchet 1st September 2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 12413472)
It's another one than the guy from November.

"White House ethics lawyer Stefan Passantino is leaving the Trump administration, a senior White House official told NBC News on Thursday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ration-n905031


From the same article: "Passantino — who had been in charge of making sure White House officials complied with government ethics rules"

So yeah:

Thanks, I was suspecting that but hadn't gotten around to looking it up yet.


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