International Skeptics Forum

International Skeptics Forum (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumindex.php)
-   Non-USA & General Politics (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=98)
-   -   General UK politics (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346868)

The Don 8th December 2021 05:28 AM

Seems like the next stab at defending the indefensible from the government is to claim that there was no party, but if there was a party it adhered to Covid rules and even if it didn't, Boris Johnson knew nothing about it at the time and has been subsequently been mislead by those horrible, horrible, people who broke the rules that weren't broken at the party that never happened. :boggled:

Quote:

In his statement, Mr Johnson said: "I apologise unreservedly for the offence that it gave up and down the country."

But he said he had been "repeatedly assured that there was no party and that no Covid rules were broken".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59580640

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 05:33 AM

He says he has asked the cabinet secretary to look in to it.

That’s ok then.

Darat 8th December 2021 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674595)
Seems like the next stab at defending the indefensible from the government is to claim that there was no party, but if there was a party it adhered to Covid rules and even if it didn't, Boris Johnson knew nothing about it at the time and has been subsequently been mislead by those horrible, horrible, people who broke the rules that weren't broken at the party that never happened. :boggled:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59580640

"...Mr Johnson said he shared people's anger, adding: "I was also furious to see that clip.""

For once he seems to be telling the truth, obviously his reason for being furious will be quite different from the people's anger who he thinks he is sharing.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 05:35 AM

Starmer then tells the Commons about the story of Trisha Greenhalgh, whose mum called her on the day that the party happened "breathless and feverish".

The Labour leader says she followed the rules and didn't visit, but as No 10 staff were joking, her mum was admitted to hospital.

"What Trisha wants to know is this why did the prime minister expect her to accept rules that allowed a Downing Street party but didn't allow her to visit her dying mother?"

Johnson says he extends his sympathies to the family and "everybody who has suffered throughout this pandemic".

But he says it was a "great mistake to try to play politics with this issue".

He said the government is "focusing on rolling out the vaccines not the events of a year ago".

The Don 8th December 2021 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674600)
He says he has asked the cabinet secretary to look in to it.

That’s ok then.

As long as the investigation lasts long enough for the public to be distracted by Christmas and/or for some positive headlines to be generated by taking a pop at the French or enacting Article 16 then "Mission Accomplished" :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 05:36 AM

Did you hear Rees-Mogg in the leaked video?

What a ****

The Don 8th December 2021 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13674603)
"...Mr Johnson said he shared people's anger, adding: "I was also furious to see that clip.""

For once he seems to be telling the truth, obviously his reason for being furious will be quite different from the people's anger who he thinks he is sharing.

Yup....11th commandment and all that. ;)

Darat 8th December 2021 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674606)
As long as the investigation lasts long enough for the public to be distracted by Christmas and/or for some positive headlines to be generated by taking a pop at the French or enacting Article 16 then "Mission Accomplished" :rolleyes:

On Radio 4's PM last night brought up how although announced in August there was still no system to bring in people who worked with the military in Afghanistan. Apparently, it is a tricky thing to do, I wanted the interviewee to have a moment of honesty and simply say "What don't you understand - we only announced it because it was polling badly that we stranded people, we never meant to do anything".

The Don 8th December 2021 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13674612)
On Radio 4's PM last night brought up how although announced in August there was still no system to bring in people who worked with the military in Afghanistan. Apparently, it is a tricky thing to do, I wanted the interviewee to have a moment of honesty and simply say "What don't you understand - we only announced it because it was polling badly that we stranded people, we never meant to do anything".

Look, it's reckless to bring up something like this up now while there are people in Afghanistan that the government wants to help.

OTOH, in a few months it will be pointless because it's far too late.

The sad fact is that the vast majority of the British public couldn't give a stuff about the tens of thousands of Afghans who helped us while we were there and who will now be murdered by the Taliban.

Boris Johnson's government has lurched from crisis to crisis and yet they seem to be avoiding any negative consequences.

Remember the furore over Owen Paterson ? The British Public don't, having been distracted by several clowders worth of dead cats.

Carrot Flower King 8th December 2021 06:01 AM

More non-apologies from BlowJob: sorry for any offence caused in not being sorry for his staff and colleagues pissing all over the rules everyone else was trying to play by; being furious about the leaked video seems to mean he was furious it leaked, not that any of it happened.

Standard lying twisting nonsense from the twisting liar.

And no doubt Tory Girl of Berwick, who's conveniently in the US, will tell me that local folk are only interested in local matters, not this Westminster Village nonsense.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 06:07 AM

Not sure having a man that doesn't know if there is a party going on in his own house in charge of a country is a great idea but what do I know

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 06:13 AM

Paul Brand ITV UK News Editor tweeted

@PaulBrandITV
Am told the mood in No 10 this morning is “horrific”.
“Incredibly unsettled and uncomfortable”.
It is going to be another difficult day for staff.




It must be difficult sharing the place with a walking corpse

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 08:13 AM

Number Ten is confirming that cabinet secretary Simon Case did not attend the party on the 18th

Thereby implicitly confirming there was a party on the 18th, if you think about it

Jack by the hedge 8th December 2021 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674634)
Paul Brand ITV UK News Editor tweeted

@PaulBrandITV
Am told the mood in No 10 this morning is “horrific”.

That's a loooong hangover.

The Don 8th December 2021 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674634)
Paul Brand ITV UK News Editor tweeted

@PaulBrandITV
Am told the mood in No 10 this morning is “horrific”.
“Incredibly unsettled and uncomfortable”.
It is going to be another difficult day for staff.




It must be difficult sharing the place with a walking corpse

I honestly think that this will blow over - just like everything else. Just think of all the things that Boris Johnson has simply breezed through which would have finished off anyone else in the past:
  • Disclosures that he was awarding contracts to someone he was sleeping with when he was Mayor of London
  • Proroguing parliament
  • Having a Brexit deal, not having it and then breaking it - at least twice
  • Having tens of thousands of avoidable Covid deaths
  • Blowing £38bn on test and trace
  • Awarding £billions in contracts to mates
  • Risking the Northern Ireland agreement
  • Fuel shortages
  • Food shortages
  • Yet more sleaze
  • Trying to change the law to allow sleaze - and then having to u-turn
  • Abandoning our Afghan allies

I'm sure there are dozens more and all of that on top of being an embarrassing buffoon on both the national and international stage.

Lothian 8th December 2021 09:12 AM

First bump on this particular party bus ride as it goes over Allegra Stratton.

The Don 8th December 2021 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13674738)
First bump on this particular party bus ride as it goes over Allegra Stratton.

....and wait to see whether this insulates Boris Johnson from it.

Of course there's still the Gavin Williamson party

The Don 8th December 2021 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13674738)
First bump on this particular party bus ride as it goes over Allegra Stratton.

But if there was no party, why did she have to resign ? :confused:

Lothian 8th December 2021 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674743)
But if there was no party, why did she have to resign ? :confused:

She resigned as she felt her comments made light of the restrictions others were subjected to. She didn't mention the party

Matthew Best 8th December 2021 09:24 AM

NM

Wudang 8th December 2021 09:37 AM

Rory Bremner on twitter. If there was a piss-up at No 10 last Christmas it’s very unlikely Boris organised it. Because, well, you know.

The Don 8th December 2021 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13674746)
She resigned as she felt her comments made light of the restrictions others were subjected to. She didn't mention the party

Ah so.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674566)
IMO Boris Johnson will manage to wriggle off the hook yet again. Ms Stratton will apologise (and perhaps have to resign) because of that ill-judged "joke" but otherwise the claim will be that there was no party, only hard-working people who had to be in 10 Downing Street who may, or may not, have had some refreshments.


Lothian 8th December 2021 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13674758)
Ah so.......

Yep.
There is of course an investigation into whether the party that BJ and minister assured us never took place, actually did take place.
I predict such an enquiry will mean ministers are no longer in a position to comment while that enquiry is on going. The investigation will be on going until the outcome can be burried under more bad news.

Carrot Flower King 8th December 2021 10:32 AM

Calling Sir Humphrey! There is some long grass over there we need an issue kicking into and you are just the man to do it!

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 10:44 AM

So she resigned. What about Rees-Mogg? He was on the video behaving in exactly the same way.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 10:48 AM

Notice that The Sun hasn't had a single front page story on the party fiasco or the **** up over Afghanistan. Today they are leading with a story about last weeks storm.

Darat 8th December 2021 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674800)
So she resigned. What about Rees-Mogg? He was on the video behaving in exactly the same way.

He’s fine because:

1) Male
2) Went to Eton

Good but short article about their privilege: https://chbenj23.wordpress.com/2019/...hellfire-club/

Carrot Flower King 8th December 2021 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674631)
Not sure having a man that doesn't know if there is a party going on in his own house in charge of a country is a great idea but what do I know

Doesn't know much, does he?

Considering he didn't know who'd coughed up for the gold wallpaper and the like at Downing Street and he didn't seem to know who had covered holiday expenses a couple of times, not to mention that he doesn't seem to know how many bairns he has, nor what chickens actually eat...Nor what mask-wearing rules apply in hospitals...

It's nearly as long a list what BlowJob doesn't know as what Raaaaaaaaaab doesn't know.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 11:40 AM

I'm still trying to get my head around why someone would resign for laughing at not attending a fictional party.

Filippo Lippi 8th December 2021 11:41 AM

For a peerage?

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13674838)
For a peerage?

I doubt she has he three million quid payment.

commandlinegamer 8th December 2021 12:11 PM

This could be all a cunning plan.

Have a secret party.

Leak news of it later, after restrictions have been eased, but it looks like they may need reinstated.

Don't bother with new regulations* as resulting hoo-ha will mean lots of people will ignore them.

Have another party to celebrate your cunning.

* - With the implication that more money would have to be given out (furlough mk ii)

Nessie 8th December 2021 02:10 PM

First the government lie about a party at Downing St. Now the Met Police lie that there is no evidence of a party at Downing St.

There are detailed records of everyone who was inside Downing St that night and how long they were there for and why they were there. It is one of the most policed buildings in the world.

The police should start by interviewing Allegra Stratton, who, if she is the decent law-abiding person she is trying to suggest she is, will proved the first statement about that nights party.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 02:33 PM

Siob, Princess of Yorkshire Blue tweeted

@Sillyshib
·
4h
Allegra Stratton has had a privileged life. She’s never had an empty food cupboard or empty bank account and she’s never had a door slammed in her face. She knows who the Vote Leave cabal are fine well, and she was happy to hitch her cart 2 them. Sympathy for her in minus figures

Mojo 8th December 2021 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13674600)
He says he has asked the cabinet secretary to look in to it.

That’s ok then.


Into whether there was a party, or who leaked the video?

alfaniner 8th December 2021 03:09 PM

I've never been in this thread before, but I happened to have on BBC World News, and also saw a rather lengthy segment on CNN -- something about a Christmas party? I'm rather jealous that that seems to be the most scandalous thing that's gone on in your politics for a while.

Maybe we can lend you some of ours. (from the US) :P

junkshop 8th December 2021 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13674973)
I've never been in this thread before, but I happened to have on BBC World News, and also saw a rather lengthy segment on CNN -- something about a Christmas party? I'm rather jealous that that seems to be the most scandalous thing that's gone on in your politics for a while.

Maybe we can lend you some of ours. (from the US) :P

It's not so much* the most scandalous, as much as it is the most recently revealed.



*for 'so much' read 'even slightly'.

Captain_Swoop 8th December 2021 03:56 PM

New Tory Party anthem

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
I AGREE

commandlinegamer 8th December 2021 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13674973)
I've never been in this thread before, but I happened to have on BBC World News, and also saw a rather lengthy segment on CNN -- something about a Christmas party?

Parties, plural, it would seem.

GlennB 8th December 2021 05:15 PM

I'm reading that some bookies have installed the Lib Dems as favourite for next week's by election in N. Shropshire. If they did win it I'm in no doubt it would spell the end for that tosser Johnson. His end might be well nigh even without it.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2015-22, TribeTech AB. All Rights Reserved.