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Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 03:34 AM

Well, it is called the 'European' convention.

Darat 14th December 2021 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13679131)
Well, it is called the 'European' convention.

A pox on Churchill I say!

I've always wondered why more defenders of our rights don't use the fact that it was the Churchill who proposed it and used his influence to bring many countries together and it was British lawyers who penned the ECHR.

Carrot Flower King 14th December 2021 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13679125)
The trouble is that alongside banning bendy bananas, classifying British sausages as "offal sticks" and banning sport fishing, it's the kind of thing that people want to believe is true because it aligns with their own misconceptions of the EU (gained from decades of misinformation from government and the media :()

Remind me again: exactly which well-known purveyor of lies made up much of that when he was the Telegraph's Brussels correspondent?

Whatever happened to him? Didn't Max Hastings sack him for lying?

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13679134)
A pox on Churchill I say!

I've always wondered why more defenders of our rights don't use the fact that it was the Churchill who proposed it and used his influence to bring many countries together and it was British lawyers who penned the ECHR.

CINO the lot of them!

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13679154)
Remind me again: exactly which well-known purveyor of lies made up much of that when he was the Telegraph's Brussels correspondent?

Whatever happened to him? Didn't Max Hastings sack him for lying?

Well, the “Eurosausage” was a joke on Yes Minister. Implementing European regulations on ingredients would mean that the British sausage would have to be renamed to the Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube.

It's now quoted as a reality though.

Carrot Flower King 14th December 2021 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13679183)
Well, the “Eurosausage” was a joke on Yes Minister. Implementing European regulations on ingredients would mean that the British sausage would have to be renamed to the Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube.

It's now quoted as a reality though.

Oh, yeah! But even then it wasn't too far off the mark in its representation of anti-EU, errrrrrrrrr, thinking.

Vixen 14th December 2021 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13679073)
Common sense, another of those phrases with a declension.....

I have common sense
You have strongly held opinions
He is a bigoted bastage....

We are land of hope and glory
They steal all the sunbeds.

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 01:06 PM

Paul Brand, UK Editor at ITV News

Were police aware of the Downing Street Christmas Party?

ITV News understands that an alarm was triggered accidentally that night inside No 10, leading security/police to respond.
So far the Met have declined to investigate.

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 03:23 PM

Daily Mirror has pictures of a Christmas Party at the Tory Westminster HQ for an event organised by Shaun Bailey’s mayoral campaign - Mr Bailey tonight quit as chair of the London Assembly’s police and crime committee after being approached by the Mirror


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-xmas-25699183

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 03:29 PM

This is like a Tory rule breaking advent calendar. I wonder what’s behind the last window?

jimbob 14th December 2021 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13679644)
Daily Mirror has pictures of a Christmas Party at the Tory Westminster HQ for an event organised by Shaun Bailey’s mayoral campaign - Mr Bailey tonight quit as chair of the London Assembly’s police and crime committee after being approached by the Mirror


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-xmas-25699183

When I saw that image elsewhere, I genuinely thought it was Coldwar Steve's take on the last week's news about the party not a genuine photo.

GlennB 14th December 2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13679644)
Daily Mirror has pictures of a Christmas Party at the Tory Westminster HQ for an event organised by Shaun Bailey’s mayoral campaign - Mr Bailey tonight quit as chair of the London Assembly’s police and crime committee after being approached by the Mirror


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-xmas-25699183

He didn't have the brains not to attend the party, but at least displayed a shred of honour in resigning so quickly.

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13679663)
When I saw that image elsewhere, I genuinely thought it was Coldwar Steve's take on the last week's news about the party not a genuine photo.

He's already on it

https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/st...083334/photo/1

Captain_Swoop 14th December 2021 04:40 PM

I think it's generally fair to say that unplanned, informal parties don't tend to have hot and cold buffets.

The Don 15th December 2021 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13679667)
He didn't have the brains not to attend the party, but at least displayed a shred of honour in resigning so quickly.

He was a wuss, he should have just brazened it out. :rolleyes:

Of course he's only resigned as chair of the London Assembly’s police and crime committee - he's still drawing a salary as a member of the assembly ;)

The Don 15th December 2021 02:24 AM

Meanwhile, the rate of inflation in the UK is over 5%.

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The cost of living surged by 5.1% in the 12 months to November, up from 4.2% the month before, and its highest level since September 2011.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59663947

As someone with considerable cash savings and no outstanding borrowings either personally or commercially, I would ordinarily be looking forward to a steep rise in interest rates - with a resulting rise in income (though those savings would still be plummeting in value in real terms :().

In truth I'll probably be disappointed because:
  • The inflation spike is forecast to be soon, and short-lived so action may not be required
  • The combination of Covid and Brexit has left the UK economy in a poor state and borrowing-fuelled spending is about the only thing keeping it going
  • A lot of the inflationary pressures are external, especially the cost of fuel and energy and raising interest rates wouldn't affect them

This Conservative government has demonstrated that so long as you have a largely "helpful" press, a fundamentally disinterested public and a lot of different kinds of bad news, then something which would have been a crisis for a Labour government with headlines for weeks about how badly the economy is being managed and how much worse off everyone is, barely warrants discussion.

At least pensioners, who form the core of Tory support, will be insulated from this. :rolleyes:

edited to add.....

Stripping out housing costs - which is arguably a better measure for someone like me who doesn't have a mortgage and who doesn't pay rent - makes it even worse:

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Meanwhile, the retail price inflation (RPI) measure - which the ONS says is no longer accurate, but which is still used for inflation-linked government bonds and wage-bargaining - rose to 7.1% from 6%, its highest since March 1991.

Darat 15th December 2021 02:44 AM

My monthly outgoings - including housing have risen in actual cash amount of £190 a month, and that is before next year's inevitable rise in Council tax. That is cost increases in weekly shopping, petrol, and energy costs. Those are all unavoidable rises for many people - especially the ones on lower earnings, the lower earnings folk are being shafted in all directions. And of course, there are the tax increases next April

Friends that have been renting the same 2-bedroom property for 8 years have been hit with a rent increase of £250 a month!

The poor are as ever suffering the most from the Tory decisions. Yet they still vote for them.

Wudang 15th December 2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13678591)
I want a typewriter that types "Æ".

Windows key, type charmap and you get a nice tool. Or hold the alt key and type 0198

The Don 15th December 2021 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13679955)
My monthly outgoings - including housing have risen in actual cash amount of £190 a month, and that is before next year's inevitable rise in Council tax. That is cost increases in weekly shopping, petrol, and energy costs. Those are all unavoidable rises for many people - especially the ones on lower earnings, the lower earnings folk are being shafted in all directions. And of course, there are the tax increases next April

Friends that have been renting the same 2-bedroom property for 8 years have been hit with a rent increase of £250 a month!

The poor are as ever suffering the most from the Tory decisions. Yet they still vote for them.

Of course they do, because the problems are the fault of the last Labour government and the current Conservative one has been generous enough to provide loads of food banks while Labour provided nary a one :rolleyes:

There's a lot of noise in the press that wages are very nearly keeping up with inflation, but that ignores that this represents a contraction in lower paid roles rather than significant increases for those in low-paid work.

Carrot Flower King 16th December 2021 10:43 AM

Meanwhile over here in the "This is probably useless, but it makes me feel a bit better" corner.

Our MP, Tory Girl Trevelyan, was spouting off in the local meejah recently that local folk are not interested in anything but local events and concerns. So I decided that she should be informed differently and so she is getting regular updates about the many things her constituents are actually interested in and why we are interested.

Strangely, the only response I've had is the auto reply from her Commons e-mail address...This is pretty typical for Tory Girl, the MP who told Carrot Flower Queen that cuts to local hospital services were not her concern. Can't even be arsed to get an aide to respond with some standard boiler plate...And they wonder why we hold them in such contempt...

Ape of Good Hope 17th December 2021 12:16 AM

Nice headlines to wake up to:

"North Shropshire by-election: Humiliation for Boris Johnson as Tories lose to Lib Dems."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ms-win-labour/


"'No 10 is creating a nightly soap opera of calamity and chaos', says Helen Morgan in North Shropshire by-election victory speech"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...os-says-helen/


(I like that these are both from The Telegraph, Johnson's 'safe port in a storm', an additional kick in the nuts for the complacent oaf)

catsmate 17th December 2021 01:05 AM

Almost thirty thousand vote shift, that'll mean the knives will be sharpened.

Mojo 17th December 2021 01:19 AM

Merry Christmas, Boris.

The Don 17th December 2021 01:33 AM

That said, senior Conservatives are behaving like indulgent middle-class parents saying that young Boris is absolutely on his last chance.

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Challenged over the comments from Tory grandee Sir Roger Gale - who has said Boris Johnson is now on his "last orders" <snip>
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...ost_type=share

...and like a child of indulgent middle class parents, he's not going to change his behaviour one jot. I'd say he was almost daring them to do it but IMO the truth is that he simply cannot imagine them taking action against him, such is his sense of entitlement.

Lothian 17th December 2021 01:42 AM

Boris has been a dead man walking since elected. His career showed he was incapable for the job. Absent the pandemic he would still have faltered.
The question is when.
The Tories in the last few general elections have by changing the leader convinced the electorate that they present a radical change to the previous (Tory) government. They need to find someone who will be the change to Boris. Is there a competent, truthful, monogamous Tory out there?

The Don 17th December 2021 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13681845)
Is there a competent, truthful, monogamous Tory out there?

Maybe, but she doesn't seem interested in the job and any perception of truthfulness and propriety may only be down to a lack of scrutiny. :o


edited to add.....

Also most of her political positions appear to be diametrically opposed to current party policy and more akin to something Labour or the LibDems would suggest so she lacks "gammon-appeal"

Vixen 17th December 2021 02:56 AM

You thought Boris was a bad/weak leader?

Patel, Gove and Raab in unison: "Hold my beer!"

Dishy Rishi is probably best of a bad lot.

Pity Dominic Grieve and Ken Clarke are gone.

The Don 17th December 2021 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 13681860)
You thought Boris was a bad/weak leader?

Patel, Gove and Raab in unison: "Hold my beer!"

Dishy Rishi is probably best of a bad lot.

Pity Dominic Grieve and Ken Clarke are gone.

At this rate, and considering the sensibilities of the current Tory faithful, Nadine Dorries may even be in the running for PM :boggled::eye-poppi

Wudang 17th December 2021 03:37 AM

Radio 4 today were discussing this. I was driving so no notes. I'd agree with someone that Tories tolerated BJ as he won elections and by-elections. He failed to deliver so knives are out. BUT it seems that nobody is really seen as an acceptable new leader who will tick all the required boxes of Brexit, Red wall voters etc so expect an interregnum. Look how long May stayed in until they found someone.

GlennB 17th December 2021 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13681877)
At this rate, and considering the sensibilities of the current Tory faithful, Nadine Dorries may even be in the running for PM :boggled::eye-poppi

Liz Truss (heaven help us) is 2nd favourite after Sunak.

The Don 17th December 2021 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13681884)
Liz Truss (heaven help us) is 2nd favourite after Sunak.

Reminds me of our septic tank and what tends to float to the top.....:o

Darat 17th December 2021 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13681887)
Reminds me of our septic tank and what tends to float to the top.....:o

Not really, sceptic tanks do a job.

Wudang 17th December 2021 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13681893)
Not really, sceptic tanks do a job.

In the war on xmas? :D

Captain_Swoop 17th December 2021 04:43 AM

"Winner Helen Morgan took the seat by nearly 6,000 votes, overturning a Conservative majority of almost 23,000!"

Ha!

Darat 17th December 2021 04:46 AM

From the BBC:

Quote:

...snip....

11:17
Tory MPs asked not to speak publicly until Johnson reacts
Meanwhile, in Westminster, the Tory whips - essentially party managers - have been texting backbenchers asking them not to speak out on the result and to wait and hear what the PM says first, the BBC has been told.

We haven't heard yet from Boris Johnson, but he is expected to speak later.

Given the scale of the party's defeat, they will no doubt be listening carefully to what he has to say.

Some Tory MPs, including Sir Roger Gale, John Redwood and Sir Charles Walker have spoken to media about the defeat this morning.

.,..snip...
Perhaps Johnson was on feeding duty last night so hasn't got up yet.... or perhaps hung over after not attending a party that didn't happen and if it had happened no rules were broken?

Captain_Swoop 17th December 2021 04:47 AM

This didn't age well
December the 3rd Lucy Allan MP (Tory Telford) said

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Lib Dems have put up a staunch Remainer in North Shropshire. Shows contempt for voters or lack of knowledge of local area.
That it was such a strong pro Brexit seat must also be worrying for the Tories.

Captain_Swoop 17th December 2021 04:50 AM

There was plenty of sensible tactical voting from Labour and Green supporters.

Tories didn't help themselves by dropping in someone from Birmingham who had to be kept away from the press because of his lack of knowledge of the constituency.

Already heard someone say it's not important because by-elections always go against the party in power and it's just a 'protest vote', nothing to do with Boris or his popularity.

Wudang 17th December 2021 05:01 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-us-a-kicking

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The Conservative party co-chair Oliver Dowden has conceded that voters have given the government “a kicking” after the Liberal Democrats clinched an extraordinary victory in the North Shropshire byelection with a swing of 34%.

Nessie 17th December 2021 09:20 AM

"The civil servant tasked with investigating claims of a Christmas party at Downing Street last year held his own office party the day before.
Simon Case, the cabinet secretary, attended a Christmas party with a team of his officials on December 17 last year."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...arty-s3c9zxl0t

Darat 17th December 2021 10:45 AM

How many bloody parties did they have?!? You can only spend £15 on an employee before they have to pay tax.


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