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shemp 21st December 2021 07:40 AM

The thread for stupidity from GQP politicians who don't have their own thread
 
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I think we need a catchall thread for the stupidity of all the GQP idiots who don't already have their own thread (Trump, Greene, Gaetz, Boebert, Nunes, etc.)

We'll start with Ryan Zinke, U.S. House candidate from Montana:

https://twitter.com/ryanzinke/status...58255509278729

And this reply:

https://twitter.com/PetekJeff/status...66035066519552

kookbreaker 21st December 2021 07:43 AM

Oddly, one of the effects of unchecked global warming is that winds might die down a whole bunch and make wind farms useless for generating any real power.

But I really don't think that is what he meant.

sackett 21st December 2021 08:10 AM

Somehow I can't imagine Montana running out of wind. Or yoobs like Zinke-dinky either.

Donal 21st December 2021 08:21 AM

Honestly, I think we need to focus less on the specific nutters and more on the general nuttery. Most of them are spouting the same nonsense, just in their own flavor. Making it about the specific nutter just makes them famous and feeds into the narrative that they are "fighting the media/left/socialists/whoever".

JoeMorgue 21st December 2021 11:56 AM

Republican Mayor turns off Fluoride to town's water supply.

https://www.alaskapublic.org/2021/12...about-5-hours/

JoeMorgue 21st December 2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Donal (Post 13685096)
Honestly, I think we need to focus less on the specific nutters and more on the general nuttery. Most of them are spouting the same nonsense, just in their own flavor. Making it about the specific nutter just makes them famous and feeds into the narrative that they are "fighting the media/left/socialists/whoever".

Again that's the narrative anyway. We need to stop acting like responding to their crazy, dangerous, stupid evil is "making it worse."

Venom 21st December 2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13685260)
Again that's the narrative anyway. We need to stop acting like responding to their crazy, dangerous, stupid evil is "making it worse."

This.

JoeMorgue 21st December 2021 12:37 PM

The things that we're assured don't work against the Proudly Evil Wrong.

- Reasoning with them
- Mocking them.
- Literally anything and everything.

As I've said a billion times there is no difference between being on someone sides and just always arguing for them.

Galaxie 21st December 2021 02:09 PM

Senator Ron Johnson is a goldmine of crazy:

https://madison.com/wsj/opinion/edit...43ccbeb59.html
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Wisconsin’s conspiratorial U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson has spouted plenty of garbage in recent months — that mouthwash has been proven to kill COVID-19, that unvaccinated people are being put “basically into internment camps,” that climate change is “bullsh-t.”

But the Oshkosh Republican’s worst idea among many doozies went like this: He wants his partisan pals at the statehouse in Madison to take over the administration of Wisconsin elections.

Donal 21st December 2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13685260)
Again that's the narrative anyway. We need to stop acting like responding to their crazy, dangerous, stupid evil is "making it worse."

Responding to them does nothing but burn energy and makes it harder to draw attention to the actual danger. You end just playing wack-a-mole. Look at here, how many threads get bogged down because a right-wing troll plays the same stupid game over and over and someone engages them like it will change anything?

I'm not saying the likes of Boebert and Greene aren't dangerous or should be tolerated. I'm saying going at them directly is a bad tactic. Life is not an Aaron Sorkin drama where you can just pummel a person acting in bad faith with the facts and a sense of decency and make them back down.

Like I said, they are all doing and saying the same things, just with their own flavor. Go at the rhetoric and actions without naming the perpetrators directly. It won't do anything to shut their traps at first, but it lets you control the greater narrative.

If you really want to go after specific individuals, at least go after the financial backers. Like folks are doing with JD Vance. Most of the media talking heads I have seen discussing him make sure Peter Theil's name is in the same breath. Those people don't want to draw attention.

Horatius 21st December 2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13685288)
- Reasoning with them
- Mocking them.
- Literally anything and everything.


At this point we shouldn't reason with them or mock them. We need to just start saying, flat out, "That's ******* stupid, and you're ******* stupid if that's what you really think. You need to go home and think about what you're doing with your life, you ******* moron."

Don't try to explain things to them. If they could understand it, they'd have gotten it by now.

Don't try to be "clever" and get a laugh. If they could understand how clever we are, they'd have gotten it by now.

At this point, a flat, unemotional statement about how ******* stupid they are, no more, no less, should be the standard reply to any of this crap.

Fidelio 21st December 2021 07:11 PM

"******* stupid" is already a badge of honor.

digger 21st December 2021 08:49 PM

Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

Venom 21st December 2021 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 13685642)
Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

Control the information sources. They did a good job of that the last few decades. And even young supposedly more progressive generations are being bombarded by right-leaning propaganda from some very successful online outlets.

The base doesn't have to be able to rationalize much beyond "I heard it there first".

Fidelio 21st December 2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 13685642)
Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

A yankee grifter learned the term "dog whistle."

Beelzebuddy 21st December 2021 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 13685642)
Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

It's not exactly a secret.
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Originally Posted by LBJ
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

All that "owning the libs" stuff has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with giving these people someone to feel better than.

shemp 22nd December 2021 07:37 AM

Madison Cawthorn tells college students they should drop out of college, calls college "a scam."

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...79286140833794

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Madison Cawthorn today to an audience of mostly college students: “I think you should home school. I was home schooled all the way through. I am proudly a college dropout. Unless you are becoming a doctor or lawyer or engineer, I highly encourage you to drop out. It's a scam.”

Donal 22nd December 2021 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 13685642)
Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

There's a lot written about. In fact, a lot of it is written by right-wingers. Most of them either don't care or aren't smart enough to be subtle about it.

I wish I could remember his name, but there was a GOP strategist back in the 70s who wrote a memo openly acknowledging that they couldn't argue with facts anymore and had to press on people's emotions and try to scare them. The problem is when I do a search for conservatives and facts vs feelings or similar terms, it's buried under a bunch of right-wing stuff claiming the opposite.

Donal 22nd December 2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13685905)
Madison Cawthorn tells college students they should drop out of college, calls college "a scam."

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...79286140833794

He's just cribbing off some silicon valley wannabe "thought leaders". That line has been kicked around for decades. While there might be an important discussion revolving around that idea, a mook like Cawthorn isn't part of said discussion.

Also, he didn't "drop out" of college. That implies he had a choice.

Paul2 22nd December 2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13685905)
Madison Cawthorn tells college students they should drop out of college, calls college "a scam."

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...79286140833794

I saw this great statement from John McWhorter's mother (a college prof) as to why college is valuable beyond advancing your employment opportunities:
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. . . after four years of college, students . . . should have a sense of the world’s complexity, that everything did not easily reduce to common-sense observations of the kind you preface with “Well, all I know is …”

Armitage72 22nd December 2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul2 (Post 13686100)
I saw this great statement from John McWhorter's mother (a college prof) as to why college is valuable beyond advancing your employment opportunities:

". . . after four years of college, students . . . should have a sense of the world’s complexity, that everything did not easily reduce to common-sense observations of the kind you preface with “Well, all I know is …” "


That's considered a bad thing these days.
There was a newspaper comic I saw once, "Non Sequitur", I think, in which a couple approaches a newsstand.
"Excuse me. What kind of material do you sell here?"
"Why, only the finest periodicals intended to entertain and educate the reader."
"Educate? Do you mean expose me to ideas different than my own?"
"Yes ... ?"
"Sigh. Let's go dear. We'll try the next one."

JoeMorgue 22nd December 2021 12:47 PM

Again right now ~40% of the population wants to just be wrong with no consequences.

It's why so much effort is being put into the goal of pulling us into the post fact world. It's the mission statement of all the "You can't tell me what to think, if everyone says 2+2=4 I'm going say it's 5 just so I know I'm thinking for myself" Proudly Wrong types.

And... real talk.. I think they eventually want to just drop the pretense. "I'm wrong, like I'm literally admitting I'm factually wrong, what are you gonna do about it punk" is so much of the subtext, it's has to be the text at some point.

Donal 22nd December 2021 01:21 PM

I am pretty sure a solid chunk of them already dropped the pretext. This is why I have no idea why shaming them or berating them is seen as an effective strategy. I think we're at a "contain and isolate" stage right now.

shemp 22nd December 2021 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13686153)
Again right now ~40% of the population wants to just be wrong with no consequences.

It's why so much effort is being put into the goal of pulling us into the post fact world. It's the mission statement of all the "You can't tell me what to think, if everyone says 2+2=4 I'm going say it's 5 just so I know I'm thinking for myself" Proudly Wrong types.

And... real talk.. I think they eventually want to just drop the pretense. "I'm wrong, like I'm literally admitting I'm factually wrong, what are you gonna do about it punk" is so much of the subtext, it's has to be the text at some point.

It's the Dirty Harry theory of stupidity. "Do you think you're smart, punk?"

Stacyhs 22nd December 2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by digger (Post 13685642)
Something is to be gained by examining why the right is so successful in convincing gullible people to act against their self interest.

I think it's obvious: a lot of people are effing stupid.

Stacyhs 22nd December 2021 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13685905)
Madison Cawthorn tells college students they should drop out of college, calls college "a scam."

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...79286140833794

The more ignorant you are, the easier it is to scam you. Perfect for the GOP!

Donal 23rd December 2021 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13686389)
I think it's obvious: a lot of people are effing stupid.

Aggressively stupid. They revel in the idea that they are pissing off some liberals somewhere.

BobTheCoward 23rd December 2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 13685066)
I think we need a catchall thread for the stupidity of all the GQP idiots who don't already have their own thread (Trump, Greene, Gaetz, Boebert, Nunes, etc.)

We'll start with Ryan Zinke, U.S. House candidate from Montana:

https://twitter.com/ryanzinke/status...58255509278729

And this reply:

https://twitter.com/PetekJeff/status...66035066519552

Though the "batteries" argument is kinda bad. Grid based battery storage implementation really isn't there yet.....it looks very close though. And there are systems that help stabilize supply....but nothing like wind charging up batteries and those batteries then fully supply the grid for several hours without wind (almost there though).

Darat 23rd December 2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13686732)
Though the "batteries" argument is kinda bad. Grid based battery storage implementation really isn't there yet.....it looks very close though. And there are systems that help stabilize supply....but nothing like wind charging up batteries and those batteries then fully supply the grid for several hours without wind (almost there though).

The most famous is the South Australia power bank - https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...-battery-farm/

BobTheCoward 23rd December 2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13686753)
The most famous is the South Australia power bank - https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...-battery-farm/

It is incredible how it has gone from non existent to an hour long emergency supply for a city on a very short time.

Gord_in_Toronto 23rd December 2021 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward (Post 13686763)
It is incredible how it has gone from non existent to an hour long emergency supply for a city on a very short time.

If I'm reading the page correctly;

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This smoothing has saved South Australians a ton of money, already much more than the $50 million cost that Tesla passed on to its Australian investor. The battery facility “reduced network costs by about A$116 million ($76 million) in 2019,” Bloomberg explains, “savings [Garth] Heron, [Neoen’s head of development in Australia] said would be passed on to businesses and households in the state. The battery’s introduction also slashed the cost to regulate South Australia’s grid by 91 [percent], bringing it in line with other regions in the nation."
that's payback in under a year!

I wonder how scalable it is?

BobTheCoward 23rd December 2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto (Post 13686917)
If I'm reading the page correctly;



that's payback in under a year!

I wonder how scalable it is?

Scalable as in the same use? Very!

Scalable as in making a renewable energy system fully self sufficient? It isn't there yet.

(I'm assuming the latter was the implication of the tweeter. But I'm making a few other assumptions, such as they meant chemical batteries and not hydroelectric batteries).

varwoche 28th December 2021 07:51 AM

GOP Congressional Candidate Noah Malgeri wants to see Gen. Milley executed live on CSPAN.

It's time that we call out these sort of unhinged characters for what they are: mainstream Republicans.

shemp 28th December 2021 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13689564)
GOP Congressional Candidate Noah Malgeri wants to see Gen. Milley executed live on CSPAN.

It's time that we call out these sort of unhinged characters for what they are: mainstream Republicans.

1971: "Gen. Westmoreland should be executed for treason for his failure to win in Vietnam!"

*Gets locked in loony bin*

2021: "Gen Milley should be executed for treason for calling the Chinese!"

*Gets elected*

Stacyhs 28th December 2021 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13689564)
GOP Congressional Candidate Noah Malgeri wants to see Gen. Milley executed live on CSPAN.

It's time that we call out these sort of unhinged characters for what they are: mainstream Republicans.

Malgeri:

Quote:

"We need to get back to our patriotic, liberty-loving roots. What did they used to do to traitors if they were convicted by a court? They would execute them. That's still the law in the United States of America. I think, you know, if he's guilty of it by a court-martial, they should hang him on CNN. I mean, they're not going to do it on CNN. But on C-SPAN or something," he said.
Unsurprisingly, Rep Paul Gosar endorsed Malgeri. And some people wonder why I think the GOP has gone off the crazy rails.

Norman Alexander 28th December 2021 02:24 PM

Meh. They just wanna see somebody killed. Doesn't matter who or for why. The killing is the thing.

JoeMorgue 28th December 2021 02:29 PM

Remember when not being able to spell potato or looking goofy in a tank helmet was enough to end a political career?

shemp 28th December 2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13689932)
Remember when not being able to spell potato or looking goofy in a tank helmet was enough to end a political career?

Nowadays looking goofy in a potatoe helmet will get you elected!

Paul2 28th December 2021 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13689932)
Remember when not being able to spell potato or looking goofy in a tank helmet was enough to end a political career?

Don't remind me.

Donal 29th December 2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13689932)
Remember when not being able to spell potato or looking goofy in a tank helmet was enough to end a political career?

Those were also the days when dealing under the table with Iran and drug cartel enforcers weren't enough to end your presidential administration.

Craig4 29th December 2021 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13689564)
GOP Congressional Candidate Noah Malgeri wants to see Gen. Milley executed live on CSPAN.

It's time that we call out these sort of unhinged characters for what they are: mainstream Republicans.

**** it. Publish their home addresses, the names and locations of the nearest grocery stores, gyms, schools and then find something in their voting or speaking record that will set some group of crazies off. It's what their kind do to Americans. Americans should be willing to do it to them. All sides have crazies. What a crazy might do shouldn't regulate our speech.

Armitage72 30th December 2021 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13689932)
Remember when not being able to spell potato or looking goofy in a tank helmet was enough to end a political career?


Or cheating on your spouse. Just once.

Parsman 31st December 2021 07:45 AM

Surprised Ted Cruz thinking WA was Washington, not Western Australia, hasn't turned up yet, gave the rest of the world a laugh at Republicans yet again though.

shemp 31st December 2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13691816)
Surprised Ted Cruz thinking WA was Washington, not Western Australia, hasn't turned up yet, gave the rest of the world a laugh at Republicans yet again though.

Saw that earlier this morning, here's a link: Ted Cruz Confuses Washington With Western Australia, Is Widely Mocked

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Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) is facing ridicule over a now-deleted tweet that mixed up the state of Washington in the U.S. with Western Australia, a state that is part of Australia.

The Republican had retweeted a post featuring a screenshot from the Facebook page of the government of Western Australia (WA Government) that appeared to advise a woman that dancing was not permitted at a private New Year's Eve party at her home. The original tweet did not mention Washington.

Cruz added his own comment criticizing Washington and Democrat-led states in general but he later deleted the tweet in question. By then, many social media users had seen the post and were mocking Cruz for the error.

Cruz had tweeted: "Blue-state Dems are power-drunk authoritarian kill-joys. Washington State: NO DANCING ALLOWED!!! Any rational & free citizen: Piss off."

The WA Government's Facebook page had replied to a woman who had asked if she was allowed to hold a party for New Year's Eve.
Of course he deleted it but the internet never forgets.

Ladewig 31st December 2021 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13691816)
Surprised Ted Cruz thinking WA was Washington, not Western Australia, hasn't turned up yet, gave the rest of the world a laugh at Republicans yet again though.

In a post-factual world, fact-checking is for losers.

Sadly, I do not believe Cruz will lose an iota of support for making this ignorant comment. I’ll go even further and say that some of Cruz’s supporters will read that story and come awAy with the idea that it did happen in Washington state and Senator Pinhead was right to call out this blue state.

Cain 31st December 2021 11:41 AM

Speaking of Ted Cruz, his thirteen year-old daughter (alleged) is currently attracting attention for saying, "A lot of people judge me based upon him at first glance, but I really disagree with most of his views."

TheGoldcountry 31st December 2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain (Post 13691952)
Speaking of Ted Cruz, his thirteen year-old daughter (alleged) is currently attracting attention for saying, "A lot of people judge me based upon him at first glance, but I really disagree with most of his views."

It's alleged that she's thirteen, or that she is his daughter?

How could you agree with his views, anyway? They change on a regular basis. You would need a smartphone app just to keep current on whatever nonsense he's spouting at any particular time.

Stacyhs 31st December 2021 12:55 PM

Ted Cruz is the least liked man in Congress or so I've heard. I can understand that. He makes my skin crawl.

shemp 31st December 2021 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cain (Post 13691952)
Speaking of Ted Cruz, his thirteen year-old daughter (alleged) is currently attracting attention for saying, "A lot of people judge me based upon him at first glance, but I really disagree with most of his views."

I would think that just being his daughter would make one curl up into a ball and cry until one died of dehydration.

shemp 31st December 2021 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13691983)
Ted Cruz is the least liked man in Congress or so I've heard. I can understand that. He makes my skin crawl.

He makes his own skin crawl.


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