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eerok 14th December 2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13326499)
Doesn't matter what a lawyer writes in a personal letter. If they are serious, it comes in a specific format and wording. Barr simply doesn't want Trump to launch his mob lawyers at him for violating his NDA or whatever. He just wants to go away with his skin intact.

I always figured Barr as a guy who'd slouch away when it was convenient.

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 07:27 PM

There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Norman Alexander 14th December 2020 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326583)
There is no way Barr wrote that letter and meant it. None. There was some kind of coercion.

Getting out alive??

Regnad Kcin 14th December 2020 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13323561)
True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Also, whatís in it for the token hoe?

Puppycow 14th December 2020 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13326422)
Trump Tweets

Just had a very nice meeting with Attorney General Bill Barr at the White House. Our relationship has been a very good one, he has done an outstanding job! As per letter, Bill will be leaving just before Christmas to spend the holidays with his family...

...Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen, an outstanding person, will become Acting Attorney General. Highly respected Richard Donoghue will be taking over the duties of Deputy Attorney General. Thank you to all!

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326423)
....except when I was deriding him and saying he wasn't.

Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Puppycow (Post 13326624)
Yeah, didn't he just call Barr a "big disappointment" in a recent tweet? In fact, there was a series of very critical tweets about Barr.

Trump reality is "alternative" just like his facts, remember?

Stacyhs 14th December 2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13323561)
True, but is that a positive or a negative to the Bidens? Now that China Joe is back in high office his name has power and influence to sell, but will his junkie son and brother be brave enough to cash in on it?

Will the "big guy" still get his 10% cut if they do?

Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

dudalb 14th December 2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13326635)
Don't you have a rally to attend? Or a check to write to the Election Defense Fund? I heard a rumor that there was a laptop in a junk yard with a Beau Biden Foundation sticker on it somewhere in Hodunk, Idaho. Or in the upper Peninsula area of Michigan. You might want to check them out.

A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.
Another Irony Meter blown all to hell.
When he has anything other than B.S. Name calling on the table, I will take him seriously.

Skeptic Ginger 15th December 2020 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13326498)
What meeting?

The meeting where soldier Barr jumped ship and tried to rehabilitate his name by pretending no one noticed.

Firestone 15th December 2020 12:36 AM

Good point from Adam Serwer: "The irony of Bill Barr, an executive power fanatic exclusively where Republican presidents are concerned, is that he treated Biden more fairly than Comey treated Clinton, because he cared less what the GOP thought of him."

The Great Zaganza 15th December 2020 01:19 AM

I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

dirtywick 15th December 2020 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13326710)
I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I don't know. I feel like that if Barr had aided Trump like he requested and he won, there's nothing the Dems could have done about it. I think if he had cooperated, the prospect of Trump hanging something like that over his head for the next four years forcing him under his thumb is more likely to have factored into it.

I think it's pretty obvious that Trump is the last guy you'd want to have some dirt on you. Tampering in elections is a huge pile of dirt.

I believe that whatever reason Barr chose to defy Trump, and I'm not really sure exactly what reasons those were since there could be several, it was a selfish one.

Firestone 15th December 2020 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13326710)
I don't buy the "Barr treated Biden fairly" shtick for one second.

Barr already had a many prosecutors resign or recuse over Flynn and other cases.
Durham refused to help in the 'Russiagate' fiction.
The DoJ IG was more than suspicious of what the White House and Barr were up to.

I think he figureed that if the Dems were willing to Impeach Trump over Ukraine to protect Biden from a smear campaign, they wouldn't hesitate for a second to bring down the house on top of him, with the help of whistleblowers, or which there would be plenty. It would be impossible to argue that Trump wasn't pressuring the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
And as a result, Trump would look far worse going into November than he did with just the Hunter-Laptop nonsense to talk about.

no, as has ALWAYS been Barr's MO, he was protecting his President, even from himself.

I agree with most of this.

Nobody (in his right mind) claims that Barr did anything out of the goodness of his heart, or because he has such a deep respect for the rule of law, fairness, etc ...

The net result is the same. What Comey did (even if he thinks that his motives were valid) did great harm to Hillary Clinton, most probably was enough to flip the election to Trump.

If the investigations involving Hunter Biden had been made public by the DOJ before the election, there is no way to know what impact it would have had.
It would have been a bigger story than the laptops thing.
By not doing this, it forced the team of geniuses around Giuliani to go with the grotesque Hunter Biden laptops story (or stories, I've lost track). That didn't get any traction, because too ridiculous.

Of course we can't rewrite history and check these hypothesis, but we know that Comey harmed Clinton, while Barr (for whatever reason) didn't harm Biden in October.

He doesn't get any prize for this, that's for sure.

Mader Levap 15th December 2020 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13326678)
A Trump fanboy accuses Biden of using the power of the Presidency to line his families pocket.

This is just standard propaganda stuff - accuse your political opponent of stuff that you do.

dudalb 15th December 2020 11:58 AM

Barr is just the biggest rat yet to abandon the sinking ship.
But that letter was truly vomit inducing.

Squeegee Beckenheim 15th December 2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13326458)
Back to
the town of Bedrock . . .

Wrong franchise:

https://i.imgur.com/xs8DnPO.jpg

Segnosaur 22nd December 2020 08:39 AM

Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.


Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

gnome 22nd December 2020 08:43 AM

Well, Trump's right. It might have come from China. But let's focus on where it DID come from, shall we?

The Great Zaganza 22nd December 2020 09:02 AM

Barr wants to establish himself as the new rational center of the GOP.

Captain_Swoop 23rd December 2020 03:33 AM

I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Skeptic Ginger 23rd December 2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 13334337)
Barr does more to rebuke Trump on his way out the door...

From: CNN
Attorney General William Barr on Monday rejected several of President Donald Trump's inflammatory and unfounded statements regarding the presidential election, saying at a news conference that he doesn't plan to appoint a special counsel to investigate President-elect Joe Biden's son Hunter or the election.
...
On the SolarWinds cyber attack..., Barr said, "It certainly appears to be the Russians."...
Trump over the weekend downplayed the massive cyberattack on US federal government agencies and contradicted Pompeo's statement, saying without evidence that the attack may have come from China.


Not that I think Barr should be congratulated for this. He has enabled the worst of Trump's excesses for the past year or 2, and the fact that he is now doing the bare minimum that his job requires in one or 2 areas doesn't make up for that.

It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

Babbylonian 23rd December 2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13335907)
It's like the cat in the hat trying to get rid of the pink bathtub ring. You try to get it off but it just keeps smearing.

I'd suggest a gastroenterologist.

Stacyhs 23rd December 2020 07:40 PM

I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

dirtywick 23rd December 2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

I think this is correct. Iím sure the Stone pardon in particular bothered him.

And perhaps some of the ones still coming.

The Great Zaganza 23rd December 2020 10:33 PM

Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

Firestone 24th December 2020 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.

Agree.

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13336018)
I wonder if Barr is beginning to regret taking the job....

Nah, he's proud of all the mischief he's done.

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13336143)
Barr, more than anyone else, worked to give Trump the legal space to do what he is doing now.
He bought the gasoline and lighters for Trump, but is leaving now because he doesn't want anything to do with the arson that's about to happen.

I wonder if the "Special Counsel for Fraud", (or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"), wasn't another thing he'd rather left to others.

Beelzebuddy 24th December 2020 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13336223)
or should that be "sPeCiAl CoUnSeL FoR fRaUd?"

It should not. Hate when people do that.

Horatius 24th December 2020 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13335178)
I think his chosen date for leaving is so he doesn't have to be associated with the various pardons Trump is handing out.



This whole month has been so full of crazy, that yesterday I realized I had completely forgotten about Barr quitting. It just vanished into the maelstrom of stupid.....


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