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varwoche 27th September 2020 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle (Post 13237847)
Why are you singling them out. Over 90% of Bernie supporters voted Hilary Clinton in the election, a good 20% higher than Clinton voters who supported Obama in 2008.

The narrower the margin, the more determinative causes for an outcome. For instance, Gore might have won Florida if he would have skipped lunch on Nov 2. The margin in 2016 was also paper thin.

I have higher standards for people who should know better. Conversely, I don't expect a lot from dim-witted cultists and/or fundamentalist nutjobs.

It was obvious that Trump was an existential threat to democracy. Too many people who should have known better ... did not.

I don't quarrel much with your blame assignment. I would add Clinton's considerable baggage, some of which was earned and some not.

It's possible that 2020 will also be a narrow margin.

Aridas 27th September 2020 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13238077)
Last sentence from that web site:


When did we leave?

Are you dead yet? When people die, they "return to God" at last check. ;)

Separately, after all the atrocities that the Trump Administration and the Republicans have been pushing - with the approval of a bit too much of the nation, returning to a healthier state of being wouldn't be a bad thing.

TragicMonkey 27th September 2020 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13238156)
Nonsense. I actually heard people say they wouldn't vote for her because she was a woman.

I do wonder if Warren would be the candidate now if she had been Bert instead of Beth. Of course there's no way to know.

Captain_Swoop 27th September 2020 07:37 AM

Trump Tweeted

Obamacare will be replaced with a MUCH better, and FAR cheaper, alternative if it is terminated in the Supreme Court. Would be a big WIN for the USA!

Hanoi Dick, who lied for years by saying he was a war hero in Vietnam, and was never even there (Impeach him!), should not be entitled to a vote on anything of importance!

YES, for many years, and hundreds of times a year. He is a Senatorial JOKE!
Quote Tweet

Scott Jough
@ScottJoughNJ
Replying to @GovMikeHuckabee
Didn't Blumenthal lie about serving in Vietnam?

The Man 27th September 2020 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13238029)
Yeah, I too have malpractice insurance. But legislators wrote laws excluding themselves from personal liability. That includes police and in may cases, attorneys.

So it is a lie.

It only says that they purchased liability insurance, which they may well have done. It doesn't say what liabilities that insurance would cover. So technically the assertion may well be true. Certainly the implication and intended inference is that it was to cover their professional conduct, which may be false.

As already noted such professionals are generally indemnified from personal liability, but even just taking the potentially intended misrepresentation at face value I'm not sure how the heck just quoting that, let alone underwriting it, would work.


Analyst 1:
"Good morning, I'm looking to get a quote on some liability insurance."

Insurance Agent: "No problem, I can certainly help you with that today. What type of liability would you like this policy to cover?"

Analyst 1: "Well, we're looking to maliciously prosecute someone and... "

*****CLICK*****

Analyst 1: "...Hello... Hello... "

Analyst 2: "Well that's Progressive and Geico down. Ya wanna try Liberty Mutual next?"

Analyst 1: "What?!? A freak'n Dweeb and an Emu?!? We ain't that desperate yet!"

Analyst 2: "OK, OK, so what about Farmers? They know a thing or two because they've seen a thing or two."

Analyst 1: "Yeah, yeah, so making it a thing or three would be right up their alley. Good call, what's the number?"

shemp 27th September 2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 13238363)
I do wonder if Warren would be the candidate now if she had been Bert instead of Beth. Of course there's no way to know.

There is if you want to rent the use of my parsnip-powered time machine. However, because its operation constitutes a violation of the laws of physics and irreparably changes the universe, I must charge you an infinite amount of money for its use, to compensate me for the possibility that I may end up never having been born or, even worse, turned into a newt. And you must return it in pristine condition, not covered with the brains and blood of Hitler like the last rental! Also, the name "Elisabert" is a silly name for a boy, and has not been used since King Elisabert VII of South North East Wessex died in 857 A.D. of choking on someone else's vomit.

JoeMorgue 27th September 2020 07:55 AM

No that's standard Right Wing logic.

Take a fair system where everyone has to play by the same rules, gain power in it, rewrite the rules so they don't apply to you, and then act shocked and appalled and clutch your pearls when someone suggests your are playing unfairly by going "But that's what the rules of the game say!"

"Don't hate the player, hate the game" is a dumb rule on the best of days. On days when the players are the one's writing the rules of the game it's inane.

Armitage72 27th September 2020 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13238379)
Trump Tweeted

Obamacare will be replaced with a MUCH better, and FAR cheaper, alternative if it is terminated in the Supreme Court. Would be a big WIN for the USA!


A plan that we're going to start thinking about starting to create any day now. Honest.

The Great Zaganza 27th September 2020 08:35 AM

If the EC can't pick a winner by January, the Speaker of the House would take over until they do.
Which begs the question: can Trump mess with the House Election?

pgwenthold 27th September 2020 09:09 AM

If there were a better, cheaper and covers more alternative to ObamaCare, the correct approach would be to have introduced it 3 years ago in Congress, because, if it really exists, only a moron would object.

And if there were a better, cheaper and covers more alternative to ObamaCare, only a real slimeball would hide it away for years and keep it from being implemented except as a political tool.

Lurch 27th September 2020 09:24 AM

If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

Safe-Keeper 27th September 2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13238488)
If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

I think so, too. It's the silver lining of four years with Trump - he's made all the trolls come out of their caves, and made everyone realise how much trouble the US is really in.

Trebuchet 27th September 2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 13238077)
Last sentence from that web site:


When did we leave?

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13238176)
When mixed marriages were allowed, when women got the right to vote, when civil rights laws were enacted, when people started forming their own views instead of taking them from their pastor - take your pick :mad:

Also when that Muslim Atheist Commie Socialist Kenyan America-Hating N-word stole the election.

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13238443)
If the EC can't pick a winner by January, the Speaker of the House would take over until they do.
Which begs the question: can Trump mess with the House Election?

People keep attributing to Trump what properly goes to the Republican Party. Yes, the Republican Party CAN mess with the House Election and has been doing so successfully for years, through gerrymandering, selective voter purging, closing of polling stations, and so on.

Ryokan 27th September 2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13238278)
Trump complains the media didn't report his Nobel Peace Prizes:

"On Saturday, Trump grumbled that there wasn’t a word in the “fake news” about his Nobel recognition.

“Somebody had a show where they said the amount of time devoted to Donald Trump’s Nobel Peace Prize — two of ’em — [was] zero on the networks, zero,” he emphasized. ”It is so disgraceful. They’re so bad.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

Should media dedicate equal time to all 317 others who are nominated for the Nobel peace prize this year?

Stacyhs 27th September 2020 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolandRat (Post 13238278)
Trump complains the media didn't report his Nobel Peace Prizes:

"On Saturday, Trump grumbled that there wasn’t a word in the “fake news” about his Nobel recognition.

“Somebody had a show where they said the amount of time devoted to Donald Trump’s Nobel Peace Prize — two of ’em — [was] zero on the networks, zero,” he emphasized. ”It is so disgraceful. They’re so bad.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

So many lies as usual. The man's narcissism and jealousy and envy of Obama knows no bounds:

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“Can you believe it, in one week they nominated me, not for one, but for two Nobel prizes,” Trump said at a rally in Fayetteville, North Carolina, on Sept. 19. “But you know, you have a president, you love your president, and your president gets honored, because I’m not being honored, you’re being honored with the Nobel Peace Prize, for Israel, what we did with Israel.”

(He wasn’t nominated for two Nobel prizes; he was nominated by two people for the same prize. And, of course, he was not honored — at least not yet — with the prize.)
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We should note that while the nomination was not covered in a national network news broadcast, it has been reported in many national print outlets, and has been widely cited on Fox News.
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Both nights, Trump made a point of saying that while the network news ignored his nomination, the same was not true when Obama was nominated in 2009.

“And when Barack Obama, Barack Hussein Obama got nominated, now when Barack Hussein Obama got nominated, he didn’t know why he was nominated,” Trump said. “It was like right at the very beginning [of his presidency]. He didn’t do anything. He did nothing and he got nominated. It was the biggest story I’ve ever seen.”
Trump is wrong about media coverage of Obama’s nomination.

We searched the Nexis news database and could find only two stories that mentioned Obama’s nomination.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/tr...obel-nonsense/

Captain_Swoop 27th September 2020 12:03 PM

Trump tweeted

Proclamation on Gold Star Mother’s and Family’s Day, 2020 | The White House
The brave men and women of our Armed Forces represent the very best of our great Nation, matched only by the families who walk beside them in their service

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ilys-day-2020/

Stacyhs 27th September 2020 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryokan (Post 13238595)
Should media dedicate equal time to all 317 others who are nominated for the Nobel peace prize this year?

Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were also nominated for Nobel Peace Prizes. Like Trump, they also didn't win. Losers.

Steve 27th September 2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryokan (Post 13238595)
Should media dedicate equal time to all 317 others who are nominated for the Nobel peace prize this year?

No! All media should concentrate on Trump, and Trump alone. And only say/print positive things about him. Any news that does not do this is fake news. Have you learned nothing in the past four years?

Ryokan 27th September 2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13238634)
Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were also nominated for Nobel Peace Prizes. Like Trump, they also didn't win. Losers.

And Putin is nominated for this year, so Trump is in company that he likes.

Bob001 27th September 2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13238634)
Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were also nominated for Nobel Peace Prizes. Like Trump, they also didn't win. Losers.


Let's note again that tens of thousands of people around the world can nominate anybody for the Nobel Peace Prize, among them legislators, senior government officials, and university professors and former professors in multiple fields. And all they have to do is write a letter. You, I and most people on this forum probably know people who could submit a nomination, and some could do it ourselves. Maybe what would get Trump's goat would be to run lists of all the nominees, in alphabetical order.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

Segnosaur 27th September 2020 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13238488)
If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

One problem with your suggestion is that the longer the republicans are in charge the harder it will be to dislodge them... Enacting further voter suppression that keeps them in power, more right wing judges willing to play politics to help them get re-elected, etc.

If one trump term wasn't enough to get people willing to work towards shoring up democracy, nothing will.

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Darat 27th September 2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13238422)
A plan that we're going to start thinking about starting to create any day now. Honest.


In two weeks.....

Skeptic Ginger 27th September 2020 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13238656)
Let's note again that tens of thousands of people around the world can nominate anybody for the Nobel Peace Prize, among them legislators, senior government officials, and university professors and former professors in multiple fields. And all they have to do is write a letter. You, I and most people on this forum probably know people who could submit a nomination, and some could do it ourselves. Maybe what would get Trump's goat would be to run lists of all the nominees, in alphabetical order.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

We went through this before (trying to remember who claimed to be nominated). Anyway, nominees are never disclosed by the Nobel Committee until 50 years after the fact.

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Neither the names of nominators nor of nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize may be divulged until 50 years have elapsed.
So someone tells Trump they nominated him, and he starts believing he will win and of course when he doesn't, he'll claim it was rigged, people out to get him as usual.


I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators. Thousands maybe:
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According to the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, a nomination is considered valid if it is submitted by a person who falls within one of the following categories:

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague
Members of l’Institut de Droit International
Members of the international board of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom
University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)
Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee
Who was it nominated Trump again?

Ah, I found it MSN:
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In Trump's case, he was nominated by Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a far-right Norwegian lawmaker, for his "groundbreaking cooperation agreement between the United Arab Emirates and Israel." It's the second time Tybring-Gjedde has nominated Trump for the prize. The first time was in 2018 for the "huge and important step in the direction of the disarmament, peace and reconciliation between North and South Korea." And it's the third time Trump has been nominated; he was nominated in 2016 by a person who preferred to remain anonymous for "vigorous peace through strength ideology, used as a threat weapon of deterrence against radical Islam, ISIS, nuclear Iran and Communist China."

Stacyhs 27th September 2020 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13238714)
We went through this before (trying to remember who claimed to be nominated). Anyway, nominees are never disclosed by the Nobel Committee until 50 years after the fact.



So someone tells Trump they nominated him, and he starts believing he will win and of course when he doesn't, he'll claim it was rigged, people out to get him as usual.


I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators:

Who was it nominated Trump again?

Ah, I found it MSN:


From my source above regarding Trump's Nobel claim:
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On Sept. 9, Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a far-right Norwegian politician, announced on Fox News that he had nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize.

“For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Tybring-Gjedde said.

In his nominating letter, Tybring-Gjedde cited Trump’s role in establishing relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates. He also cited Trump’s “key role in facilitating contact between conflicting parties and … creating new dynamics in other protracted conflicts, such as the Kashmir border dispute between India and Pakistan, and the conflict between North and South Korea, as well as dealing with the nuclear capabilities of North Korea.”

Two days later, Magnus Jacobsson, a member of Sweden’s Parliament for the Christian Democrats, announced via Twitter that he, too, had nominated Trump for the award, along with the governments of Kosovo and Serbia “for their joint work for peace and economic development.”

Bob001 27th September 2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 13238714)
.....
I don't think there are tens of thousands of qualified nominators. Thousands maybe:
....


Sure. I was just guessing. But if you add up all the members of all the world's national assemblies and senior government officials, and all the world's current and former professors and assistant professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion, that has to be a big number. The U.S. alone has more than 4000 colleges and universities. If they each have or have had at least two history professors and two sociology/psychology/economics etc. professors, that's 16,000 right there. And just one big state u. could have hundreds.
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...er-is-changing

My point is just that a Nobel "nominator" is not hard to find.

gypsyjackson 27th September 2020 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13238751)
Sure. I was just guessing. But if you add up all the members of all the world's national assemblies and senior government officials, and all the world's current and former professors and assistant professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion, that has to be a big number. The U.S. alone has more than 4000 colleges and universities. If they each have or have had at least two history professors and two sociology/psychology/economics etc. professors, that's 16,000 right there. And just one big state u. could have hundreds.
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...er-is-changing

My point is just that a Nobel "nominator" is not hard to find.

Yeah, 200 countries with - total guess - average of 200 legislators each is 40000 right there. Of course there are lots of small countries with only a handful, but the UK has 1400, the US more than 500, so that will balance it out a bit.

ETA - the Interparliamentary Union said 46,552 in 2012

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Originally Posted by IPU
MPs: There are 46,552 MPs in the world. The global average number of parliamentarians per country is 245. China has the largest parliament with 3,000 members in the Chinese National People’s Congress. The world’s smallest parliament is in Micronesia, with just 14 MPs.

Also in 2012 the NPP went to the EU, which the European Commission said went to all its citizens at the time. I intend to test whether I can become a nominator under the previous winners rule!

newyorkguy 27th September 2020 05:16 PM

Congressman Eric Swalwell tweeted:
Quote:

Rep. Eric Swalwell
He’s broke. And facing criminal charges. That’s why @realDonaldTrump is sabotaging the mail, welcoming foreign interference, and inciting violence to win an election. This is going to be a rocky ride — but civic participation and unity are our antidotes. Twitter link

SezMe 27th September 2020 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13238243)
Trump Retweeted
Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Judge Amy Coney Barrett is a remarkable nominee, and the Senate should confirm her without delay.

The RNC is investing $10M to promote her qualifications, expose Democrats’ partisanship, and use this issue to galvanize voters to the polls in November!

There's people who don't know that the Dems are partisan??!! Well, I'll be darned; what a world we live in. :rolleyes:

SezMe 27th September 2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13238488)
If Trump squeaks out a "win", I wonder if in the end it would be a good thing? After decades of comparative global peace (no follow-up WWIII), a couple or three generations of comfortable living have induced a general complacency, a lack of vigilance against threats to democracy. Especially domestic.

The shock of the realization that the Republic is in real danger might inspire a genuine fight to preserve it. "We have a Republic, if we can keep it." The test of that might just be about to be implemented. Fail, and then it could well be that democracy is too advanced a proposition for deplorable Man at this time.

Don't wonder. Another Trump presidency and global warming would probably be irreversible. So, sure, we'd eventually have a democracy .... in the United States of Burnt Toast.

Regnad Kcin 27th September 2020 08:09 PM

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Patrick Yoes, President of the National Fraternal Order of Police to @realDonaldTrump:
“You sir, have never turned your back on America’s law enforcement… On behalf of America’s largest law enforcement organization… we give you our unanimous & enthusiastic endorsement.”
I certainly hope Patrick Yoes isn’t a police detective. I imagine it would be quite embarrassing for him to have then somehow missed Donald “Law and Order” Trump is a lifelong criminal.

Segnosaur 27th September 2020 09:33 PM

And in another case of "what the heck just happened?"

Brad Pascale (Trump's former campaign manager, who has been accused of misusing campaign funds) has been hospitalized after a suicide attempt.

Now before people start making crass comments, and others say it's not appropriate... Someone on the trump campaign has already tried to blame it on the democrats and RINOs.

Stay classy, republicans.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/27/polit...zed/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...-police-2020-9

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Lurch 27th September 2020 09:35 PM

Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

The Great Zaganza 27th September 2020 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13239033)
Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

Nothing to do with commiting large-scale fraud I'm sure.

alfaniner 27th September 2020 09:43 PM

Oooh, Trump's brain has to be bubbling like those pingpong balls before a lottery draw. He is going to be so ****** for the debate this week.

Of course he's going to skip it.

Norman Alexander 27th September 2020 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13239033)
Just saw a TYT video about Parscale in hospital after SWAT got him talked down from committing suicide...

I'll just say that I'm glad that he didn't resort to using any of the many guns he had in the house, and allowed himself to be taken into care in custody. I hope he gets proper treatment. There have been FAR too many USAians topping themselves with guns as a first resort in recent years.

What is going to be more fun/alarming/predictable is what comes from the Trump campaign in its filth-generating Calliope of Crap. Anyone want to make any predictions?

Captain_Swoop 28th September 2020 03:46 AM

Trump Retweeted

David J Harris Jr
@DavidJHarrisJr
Maybe the Clintons won't get away it after all.
John Durham’s Investigation Takes Over Parts of US Attorney John Huber’s Clinton Foundation Probe
djhjmedia.com

Project Veritas Exposes Ilhan Omar’s Connections to Ballot Harvesting
https://djhjmedia.com/kari/video-pro...ot-harvesting/
Sara A. Carter
@SaraCarterDC

ELECTION FRAUD: Project Veritas @JamesOKeefeIII uncovers alleged ballot harvesting in Rep. Ilahn Omar’s district
Looks like @realDonaldTrump's warnings were right #ElectionFraud

Captain_Swoop 28th September 2020 03:54 AM

Trump Tweets

This is totally illegal. Hope that the U.S. Attorney in Minnesota has this, and other of her many misdeeds, under serious review??? If not, why not??? We will win Minnesota because of her, and law enforcement. Saved Minneapolis & Iron O Range!
Quote Tweet

Breitbart News
@BreitbartNews
Project Veritas has released the results of an investigation into alleged ballot harvesting by supporters of Democrat Rep. Ilhan Omar in Minnesota, a key swing state in the 2020 presidential election. https://trib.al/cN1GmtK

Armitage72 28th September 2020 04:48 AM

Project Veritas? Well, that's game over then. They're an unimpeachable paragon of journalistic integrity. Nobody could possibly question their findings.

The Don 28th September 2020 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13239260)
Project Veritas? Well, that's game over then. They're an unimpeachable paragon of journalistic integrity. Nobody could possibly question their findings.

President Trump will be pushing it, so it hardly matters whether it's actually true.

Aridas 28th September 2020 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Resume (Post 13238871)
**** me!

Looks like the Biden campaign already has a simple comparison ad out.


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