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Roger Ramjets 8th October 2020 07:57 PM

And?

Norman Alexander 8th October 2020 08:53 PM

Tea Party and Muslims for Trump candidate.

timhau 8th October 2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 13252300)
Tea Party and Muslims for Trump candidate.

You don"t say.

Norman Alexander 8th October 2020 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13252361)
You don"t say.

Predictable that the first line of comments from some quarters was "SEND HIM BACK!", "dune coon" and "must be a Democrat".

Stacyhs 8th October 2020 11:17 PM

It's of note that the news article does not mention that Mohammed is a Republican. I suspect that is not an accident. In fact, I could only find one that mentions that important tid bit o' info. On the other hand, the Tea Party911.com website covering this incident falsely claims:
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It seems that those “rare” cases of Democrat election fraud are becoming more frequent.
http://www.teaparty911.com/mail-ball...denton-county/

The Don 9th October 2020 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13252393)
It's of note that the news article does not mention that Mohammed is a Republican. I suspect that is not an accident. In fact, I could only find one that mentions that important tid bit o' info. On the other hand, the Tea Party911.com website covering this incident falsely claims:

http://www.teaparty911.com/mail-ball...denton-county/

Presumably it's "Democrat" election fraud because the means by which he attempted to perpetrate it, postal voting, is being promoted by the Democratic Party as a means for people to cast their vote in a pandemic.

Even though it's apparently a Republican doing it, it's still the Democrat's fault for endorsing the system he is abusing. :rolleyes:

edited to add......

If it used to, the Newsbreak story no longer mentions his party affiliation.

edited again to add......

According to the comments on one story (need a shower now), the mayoral race is a non-partisan one but Zul Mirza Mohamed himself has various Facebook posts of him attending Tea Party events.

Stacyhs 10th October 2020 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13252516)
Presumably it's "Democrat" election fraud because the means by which he attempted to perpetrate it, postal voting, is being promoted by the Democratic Party as a means for people to cast their vote in a pandemic.

Even though it's apparently a Republican doing it, it's still the Democrat's fault for endorsing the system he is abusing. :rolleyes:

edited to add......

If it used to, the Newsbreak story no longer mentions his party affiliation.

edited again to add......

According to the comments on one story (need a shower now), the mayoral race is a non-partisan one but Zul Mirza Mohamed himself has various Facebook posts of him attending Tea Party events.

The fact that ZMM is a Republican has indeed been removed. I am 100% sure that it was in the original article.

Thermal 10th October 2020 08:49 AM

As I am reading this, it's not what we think of as 'voter fraud'. It's more 'yokel mayoral candidate runs ridiculously stupid hustle on his town'.

Was this guy an endorsed/serious contender, or a rando whack job with no chance of being elected? And no, his scam would never have gotten him into office. Too many obvious screwups

CORed 16th October 2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13252393)
It's of note that the news article does not mention that Mohammed is a Republican. I suspect that is not an accident. In fact, I could only find one that mentions that important tid bit o' info. On the other hand, the Tea Party911.com website covering this incident falsely claims:

http://www.teaparty911.com/mail-ball...denton-county/

It appears that being a Republican significantly increases the probability that someone will be concerned about or commit voter fraud. Coincidence? I think not.

theprestige 16th October 2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13252393)
It's of note that the news article does not mention that Mohammed is a Republican. I suspect that is not an accident. In fact, I could only find one that mentions that important tid bit o' info.

The article you linked doesn't appear to mention Mohamed's party affiliation. It says, in its entirety:
A Texas mayoral candidate has been arrested and charged with 109 felonies related to voter fraud. The Denton County Sheriff's Office arrested Zul Mirza Mohamed, a candidate for mayor in Carrollton, Texas, on Tuesday and charged him with 25 counts of unlawful possession of a ballot without the request of the voter and 84 counts of fraudulent use of a mail ballot application.
Below that are some tags that also don't mention political parties.

Below that is a button labeled "Read Full Story". I clicked on that, and it took me here:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...to-voter-fraud

The "full story" also doesn't appear to mention Mohamed's party affiliation.

Did you mean to link some other article?

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260014)
The article you linked doesn't appear to mention Mohamed's party affiliation. It says, in its entirety:
A Texas mayoral candidate has been arrested and charged with 109 felonies related to voter fraud. The Denton County Sheriff's Office arrested Zul Mirza Mohamed, a candidate for mayor in Carrollton, Texas, on Tuesday and charged him with 25 counts of unlawful possession of a ballot without the request of the voter and 84 counts of fraudulent use of a mail ballot application.
Below that are some tags that also don't mention political parties.

Below that is a button labeled "Read Full Story". I clicked on that, and it took me here:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...to-voter-fraud

The "full story" also doesn't appear to mention Mohamed's party affiliation.

Did you mean to link some other article?

No, I didn't. The article I linked to later removed the mention of Mohamed's political affiliation but I am 100% positive it was there. But, he is, indeed a member of the GOP. There is video of him attending and speaking at a Tea Party function. I saw the video in the comments section of one of the links.

theprestige 16th October 2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260025)
No, I didn't. The article I linked to later removed the mention of Mohamed's political affiliation but I am 100% positive it was there. But, he is, indeed a member of the GOP. There is video of him attending and speaking at a Tea Party function. I saw the video in the comments section of one of the links.

That's so weird! I can't find any mention of his party affiliation in any of the articles about this story. Just comments with no sources.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260047)
That's so weird! I can't find any mention of his party affiliation in any of the articles about this story. Just comments with no sources.

It is weird. However, I found that most people assumed he is a Democrat which I don't think was unintentional, frankly. Some of the comments from the sheriff show his anti-mail in ballots bias. I did find this in a comments section which shows that Mohammed is, indeed, a registered Republican:

https://www.mylife.com/zul-mohamed/e607029660408

theprestige 16th October 2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260082)
It is weird. However, I found that most people assumed he is a Democrat which I don't think was unintentional, frankly. Some of the comments from the sheriff show his anti-mail in ballots bias. I did find this in a comments section which shows that Mohammed is, indeed, a registered Republican:

https://www.mylife.com/zul-mohamed/e607029660408

Haha oh wow.

Check again. He's a Democrat.

ETA: My provisional assumption is that he is in fact a Republican. Now I'm curious why that info has been so thoroughly scrubbed from the news reports.

(Also, I think mylife.com is probably a scam. Somewhere between Yelp reviews and hot singles in your area. I'm kind of embarrassed on your behalf. No political point-scoring is worth using them as a reference.)

wareyin 16th October 2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260096)
Haha oh wow.

Check again. He's a Democrat.

??? The mylife page clearly says Politics: Republican.

theprestige 16th October 2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13260099)
??? The mylife page clearly says Politics: Republican.

Check again: "Democrat Party"

It also says he's a registered Democrat in the summary profile at the top.

Roger Ramjets 16th October 2020 04:24 PM

Please stand by while we make some adjustments to reality.

Bzzzt, click!

"Zul Mirza Mohamed has always been a Democrat".

theprestige 16th October 2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13260103)
Please stand by while we make some adjustments to reality.

Bzzzt, click!

"Zul Mirza Mohamed has always been a Democrat".

I'm reasonably confident that adjustments to mylife.com pages aren't adjustments to reality.

Anyway, after taking another look at the page, I think we have made a mistake, and this isn't the right Zul Mohamed at all.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260096)
Haha oh wow.

Check again. He's a Democrat.

It's apparent someone has been editing the page. The original one said he was Republican. The second one immediately under it, which was titled "correction", had changed it to "Democrat". One is now gone and the other has been edited to a bunch of nonsense.

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ETA: My provisional assumption is that he is in fact a Republican. Now I'm curious why that info has been so thoroughly scrubbed from the news reports.
Yes, which is what I saw in the original article I linked. I also saw a video of a Tea Party event he spoke at.

(Also, I think mylife.com is probably a scam. Somewhere between Yelp reviews and hot singles in your area. I'm kind of embarrassed on your behalf. No political point-scoring is worth using them as a reference.)

I'm kind of embarrassed for you that you had to resort to this in order to cover for your own embarrassment at figuring out that the mylife.com quote was edited from 'Republican' to 'Democrat'. Your 'gotcha' wasn't much of a 'gotcha' after all, was it?

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260105)
I'm reasonably confident that adjustments to mylife.com pages aren't adjustments to reality.

Anyway, after taking another look at the page, I think we have made a mistake, and this isn't the right Zul Mohamed at all.

Yes, he's the same. The birthday of 4/11/81 was the same and so was the address before the shmuck on mylife changed some of the details. I noticed them. The birthdate is the same as the one on his candidate registration as is the address (Bennington Rd).

theprestige 16th October 2020 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260112)
It's apparent someone has been editing the page. The original one said he was Republican. The second one immediately under it, which was titled "correction", had changed it to "Democrat". One is now gone and the other has been edited to a bunch of nonsense.



Yes, which is what I saw in the original article I linked. I also saw a video of a Tea Party event he spoke at.

(Also, I think mylife.com is probably a scam. Somewhere between Yelp reviews and hot singles in your area. I'm kind of embarrassed on your behalf. No political point-scoring is worth using them as a reference.)

I'm kind of embarrassed for you that you had to resort to this in order to cover for your own embarrassment at figuring out that the mylife.com quote was edited from 'Republican' to 'Democrat'. Your 'gotcha' wasn't much of a 'gotcha' after all, was it?

Oh dear. You still haven't noticed that anyone can edit that page. Try it yourself!

theprestige 16th October 2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260115)
Yes, he's the same. The birthday of 4/11/81 was the same and so was the address before the shmuck on mylife changed some of the details. I noticed them. The birthdate is the same as the one on his candidate registration as is the address (Bennington Rd).

LOL. "The schmuck on mylfe". How do you know it wasn't some schmuck on mylife who made him a Democrat in the first place?

Minoosh 16th October 2020 06:18 PM

In my state, my name and party affiliation are public record.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260153)
Oh dear. You still haven't noticed that anyone can edit that page. Try it yourself!

That's my point! Someone 'corrected' it from 'Republican' to 'Democrat'. As I said, I saw the video of him speaking at a Tea Party event. He is a Republican:

https://www.facebook.com/carrollton....49420645313543

You believed he was a Dem when you posted what you thought was your 'gotcha':

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Haha oh wow.

Check again. He's a Democrat.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260169)
LOL. "The schmuck on mylfe". How do you know it wasn't some schmuck on mylife who made him a Democrat in the first place?

Maybe some schmuck is impersonating him speaking at this Tea Party event 2018?

https://www.facebook.com/carrollton....49420645313543

Maybe like the shmuck who left me a message on that mylife page?

Regnad Kcin 16th October 2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets (Post 13252269)
And?

Boy, are his arms tired!

theprestige 16th October 2020 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13260178)
In my state, my name and party affiliation are public record.

I think that's true of most states, but it doesn't seem to translate into easily accessible records and convenient online searches Not for Texas, anyway.

theprestige 16th October 2020 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260184)
That's my point! Someone 'corrected' it from 'Republican' to 'Democrat'. As I said, I saw the video of him speaking at a Tea Party event. He is a Republican:

https://www.facebook.com/carrollton....49420645313543

You believed he was a Dem when you posted what you thought was your 'gotcha':

No. I changed his party affiliation on mylife to demonstrate just how crap of a reference that website is..

As for that Tea Party event: Have you looked at the other candidates that addressed the Tea Party at that event? Does Richard Fleming look like a Republican to you?

Maybe I should edit Fleming's mylife page to indicate that he's a Republican, since he addressed a Tea Party group. Correct the record. What do you think?

theprestige 16th October 2020 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260187)
Maybe some schmuck is impersonating him speaking at this Tea Party event 2018?

https://www.facebook.com/carrollton....49420645313543

Maybe like the shmuck who left me a message on that mylife page?

OLOL. Maybe it's Zul himself giving you a shout out.

It's tragicomic how quickly you went from mylife.com being a source of truth about Mohamed's party affiliation, to thinking maybe it's just some schmuck doing an impersonation.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 07:07 PM

Look, the original news article I READ was not mylife or a video. It said he was a Republican. I cannot help it if it was later edited out. Do you think I would have linked to it if it had said otherwise? You can think whatever you want. I know what I read.

Quote:

It's tragicomic how quickly you went from mylife.com being a source of truth about Mohamed's party affiliation, to thinking maybe it's just some schmuck doing an impersonation.

Pity you don't get sarcasm. I guess you need a sarcasm emoji.

theprestige 16th October 2020 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260217)
Look, the original news article I READ was not mylife or a video. It said he was a Republican. I cannot help it if it was later edited out. Do you think I would have linked to it if it had said otherwise? You can think whatever you want. I know what I read.

Maybe the original news article removed the claim because they realized it wasn't supported. You want to find schmucks stealth editing the claims your arguments depend on, look at the media outlets you cite.

What on earth made you think mylife.com was a reputable source?

You know why I think Richard Fleming is a Democrat? It's because he's all over the Internet as a Democrat.

You know why I think Zul Mohamed is a Republican? It's because he's not all over the Internet as a Democrat.

But still it's weird. He's not all over the Internet as a Republican, either. Besides this story, he's not really on the Internet at all. And that's weird. Don't you think it's weird?

Minoosh 16th October 2020 07:33 PM

Texas is not one of the states that expanded mail-in ballots due to the pandemic. Absentee ballots must be requested and they are heavily restricted. Trump will love this, but it has nothing to do with expanded mail-in voting.

ETA: In my experience party affiliation is not very important at the local level. Most cases of voter fraud documented by the Heritage Foundation involved very localized races, like JP.

theprestige 16th October 2020 07:34 PM

God, I hope this isn't a Democrat.

Oh, good. The media is saying he's a Republican.

Oh ****, the media has disappeared that claim.

Oh good, he spoke to a conservative interest group.

Oh ****, so did some Democrats.

Oh good, he's listed as a Republican on some website.

Oh ****, the website is a money grubbing scam that anyone can mess with.

With which anyone can mess.

Guess it's time to admit my errors and move on.



Well. One can dream, anyway.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by theprestige (Post 13260224)
Maybe the original news article removed the claim because they realized it wasn't supported. You want to find schmucks stealth editing the claims your arguments depend on, look at the media outlets you cite.

What on earth made you think mylife.com was a reputable source?

You know why I think Richard Fleming is a Democrat? It's because he's all over the Internet as a Democrat.

You know why I think Zul Mohamed is a Republican? It's because he's not all over the Internet as a Democrat.

But still it's weird. He's not all over the Internet as a Republican, either. Besides this story, he's not really on the Internet at all. And that's weird. Don't you think it's weird?

I don't know. But it's my dinner. I'll get back to you later. But I did find this for now.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com...a58e9203b1.jpg

theprestige 16th October 2020 08:04 PM

Somebody said something on Twitter. And you have a screenshot. Not a link, though. Since a link could be to something that got edited or deleted out from under your claim.

Meanwhile your Tea Party group also heard from Democrats. And you have no idea if your Twitter source has any backing for their claim.

At least Twitter is slightly more reputable than mylife.com. On the other hand, Donald Trump posts on Twitter, so who knows what's real there.

kookbreaker 16th October 2020 08:19 PM

Take this as what you will, but this would appear to be his campaign page from 2018.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/categ...4985898682576/

He declares no party, and in fact in a comment in one post declares he's an Independent.

There is an also alarming amount of flag backgrounds and Star Spangled Banners.

DevilsAdvocate 16th October 2020 09:18 PM

The races he ran in were not partisan. When he ran for city council he said he was running as an Independent. It appears from this document from DallasDemocrats.org that he voted in the Republican primary in 2016. If I am reading the notes correctly, I think the "16-R" next to his name indicates that he was not registered as a Republican but voted in the Republican primary in 2016. Nothing official, but some type of record.

I don't think it matters which party he belongs to or supports. As Minoosh mentioned, most of the larger scale voter fraud involves small races for something like small town mayor or city council. These usually happen over some local issue that has nothing to do with either political party.

Stacyhs 16th October 2020 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate (Post 13260308)
The races he ran in were not partisan. When he ran for city council he said he was running as an Independent. It appears from this document from DallasDemocrats.org that he voted in the Republican primary in 2016. If I am reading the notes correctly, I think the "16-R" next to his name indicates that he was not registered as a Republican but voted in the Republican primary in 2016. Nothing official, but some type of record.

I don't think it matters which party he belongs to or supports. As Minoosh mentioned, most of the larger scale voter fraud involves small races for something like small town mayor or city council. These usually happen over some local issue that has nothing to do with either political party.

What your document showed is that the twitter screen shot I provided was true: Mohamed did run as a Republican against Marchant in 2016. If theprestige would like to continue arguing against this, he can have at it. As Rhett Butler once so famously said, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

It's interesting to note that when another case of mail in voter fraud occurred in Texas, the newspaper made it clear that the culprits were Democrats:

Yet, when the same newspaper covered the Mohamed voter fraud story a couple weeks later, they referred to him as a "progressive Democrat":
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Mohamed is widely described as a “progressive” Democrat candidate, but Washington Sentinel has not been able to verify the candidate’s party affiliation.
But when you follow the link they provide to this alleged source you end up at the Wayne Dupree site which is rated as "low" on factual content and "extreme" right wing by media bias fact check.

PhantomWolf 17th October 2020 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13260373)
Yet, when the same newspaper covered the Mohamed voter fraud story a couple weeks later, they referred to him as a "progressive Democrat":


But when you follow the link they provide to this alleged source you end up at the Wayne Dupree site which is rated as "low" on factual content and "extreme" right wing by media bias fact check.

You didn't need to go there to find that, the Washington Sentinel itself is an extreme rightwing biased questionable source. And the Washington Examiner is not a lot better.

On the thread itself, Zul called himself an Independent on the Facebook page, so it's clear he didn't stand as a Republican, even if he did vote as one.

Stacyhs 17th October 2020 01:32 AM

I think we've lost sight of the original point of this thread which was that the commenters under the linked article assumed Mohamed was a Democrat and engaged in racist comments. It was rather revealing.


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