Something I've found is that with the roads so much quieter a small number of drivers are using it as an opportunity to speed and not give way.

A comment on your ranting against experts. Again.

I am also lucky, with a garden and lots of public space around us, that is not an AONB, so it does not attract tourists.

I do feel sorry for those in flats in the city and think that parks need to be organised so they can be used, but safely. For example, councils could have upturned benches, allowed designated sunbathing in controlled areas and introduced one way walking on paths.

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You might want to check your early posts in the general Covid thread before getting too self-righteous.

ETA - this was your first post in the thread:

How's that hype looking now?

But said with politeness and panache.

I'll take that as a yes, and just note your evasion on the other points.

I was quite right to do so - and almost everyone agrees. Even Nicola Sturgeon, following her serious political misjudgement, has now been forced into a U-turn, and was trying to pretend on morning TV that she hadn't made a mistake by initially striving to keep the Chief Medical Officer in her job.

A clever Scottish newspaper headline had a picture of the Chief Medical Officer with the caption 'Hypocritic Oaf" :roll:

I am assuming Johnson is actually seriously ill. The government advice via the NHSs is that you only go to hospital if your symptoms become severe and that usually means breathing difficulties.

The BBC article I read said he'd been admitted because of "persistent symptoms", which surely means those symptoms haven't changed.

Now been changed: ....Boris Johnson is still in hospital suffering from coronavirus and had a “comfortable night” but No 10 has dropped the description of his symptoms as mild...

And ..... The Guardian was told last week that Johnson was more seriously ill than either he or his officials were prepared to admit, and that he was being seen by doctors who were concerned about his breathing......

From: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

You can take that 'concerned about his breathing' comment either way, depending on whether the recommended treatment is an Oxygen mask or a pillow...:rolleyes:

It's my understanding that in terms of this particular disease "mild" can include pneumonia. Here's WHO official Bruce Aylward:

If Johnson is no longer being described as "mild", and has been admitted to hospital (which they're trying to avoid at the moment, because being in hospital puts patients at greater risk), then I think we can safely assume that he's not doing very well.

Haha. No. This is like caught criminal. He won't repent, he will simply promise himself he won't be caught next time.

Unfortunately, I don't think this village idiot will die. Unlike common proles that he **** over, he has access to good healthcare.

https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/stat...32206973190144

According to recent newsfeeds he's on oxygen.
How can he still exercise the functions of Prime Minister?

We don't have all the specific details on Johnson's condition. We were told he has fever and cough. Now he seems to be on oxygen. But we don't know how really bad he is. He might be pretty decent with symptoms and feelings like the flu. Maybe a different person in the same condition would be taken home and told to self quarantine with special instructions because they are contagious.

Maybe they have Boris there because he is the PM. Maybe the oxygen isn't fully necessary but they are going with it anyway because it's Boris. Every Covid-19 patient should get the best care but he might be getting extra special care. I don't know.

Also, I expect that he is being monitored for his mental and verbal aptitude. We are told that he is still running the country acting in full executive capacity. Somebody would have to stop that if he is in la-la land, or can't communicate.

It would be breaking news if there was a change in power and position.

You do know we're talking about Boris Johnson right?

Being "on oxygen" can be no more than a simple nasal canula, which doesn't interfere with speech, eating, or other normal functions.

He may never be released then. Things are looking up. :thumbsup:

But you are only put on it once your blood 02 drops which means his lungs are struggling to oxygenate his blood.

And he is now in intensive care UK PM Boris Johnson taken to intensive care https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604

ETA: what are the stats for a 55 year old overweight male chances of recovery?

Or he's not so bad in the lungs and they've got an oxygen mask for him anyway. It helps. Any healthy person who puts one on feels a bit better and refreshed.

We can't assume his condition is terrible. If he loses the ability to communicate then the government must quickly replace him with the new big chief.

ETA after Darat: He appears to be worsening.

Hey, you folks that have been running the numbers, what are his odds right now? He moved up to intensive care but is not critical. I know he's not yet at 50%.

Still?

I honestly wouldn't wish this on anyone, but if if anyone has to go through it Johnson isn't on my 'not them' list.

Still no announcement of a change in power. He must be able at this time.

Mr Johnson has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise "where necessary", a spokesman added.

Lord Percy has the reins...:eek:

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/mor...n-ventilators/

Daily Mail: He is conscious and has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab to deputise for him. Mr. Raab, also First Secretary of State, is primed to take charge of the government's coronavirus response, but it is understood he is not a temporary prime minister.

Just spit-balling here, but the fact that he has had a fever for so long and his condition just got worse does not sound good.

How obese is he? Any preexisting conditions anyone is aware of?

I agree. Seems to be you either get better over a week to 10 days, or you want to make sure your will is up to date to provide for your (legitimate) children.

Obese? He's overweight but not by a huge amount. I'd call him husky. Trump is more overweight.

Not quite. We have system in place in case of a PM being unable to be PM, this is set up in all governments. The last time Raab spoke to Johnson was on Saturday, when I learnt that it made me conclude Johnson was seriously ill.

Non-smoker and not morbidly obese, should be 75/25 in favour of recovery.

However, the progression doesn't look good - the anecdotes I've seen of people coming out of ICU in a body bag seem to have taken the path BoJo's on.

The ICNARC published a more recent and slightly larger study:

Link to the report:

https://www.icnarc.org/About/Latest-...-With-Covid-19

Exactly. And it's something that could easily have been done in Downing Street.

UKGov have now admitted BoJo's in Intensive Care. Next stop a ventilator...

The problem is that the Government has been trying to downplay the seriousness of his condition since the start, we've gone from mild symptoms with Johnson recovering and resting up at Number 10 to intensive care in a couple of days.

SO the UK has no legally established line of sucession if the PM is incapicated from performing his office?
In the US it's clear; THe Veep, then the Speaker of the House, then the President pro tempore of the Senate ,then the secrataries of the major government departments in the order of their founding,with Secratary of State being the first.
Maybe the UK should have a legal "continuity of government " line of sucession in a crisis?
I know the Brits love to "muddle through" but they are playing with fire here.