I'm not a fan of when posters fail to own their bull ****.

I don't think you can expect that from rethuglicans. If they were capable of things like admitting to mistake (like saying utterly silly thing out of touch with reality), they wouldn't be rethuglicans in first place.

First "greater intrusion on civil liberties" I can think of is police telling citizens to stay home because there are protests in the city, and firing paint bullets on families legally standing in the doorways of their own homes. Policemen beating up peaceful protesters. Policemen using tear gas to clear a crowd for a president's photo op. The countless (100+) attacks on journalists just doing their jobs, some of whom have sustained lasting injuries. The incarceration and abuse, including ******* sterilisation, and separation of families for just seeking asylum. Widespread voting suppression in Democrat-leaning areas. The widespread corruption in the police force and justice system. The more things I list, the more things I can think of.

But it's being asked to wear a mask and stay home to save lives during a ******* pandemic that's upsetting. Why should Ziggurat and the others care what happens when their political opponents demonstrate, and the MSM reports on the protests? Why should they care what happens to foreigners or brown people?

If you're going to widen it to all of American history, it becomes even more ridiculous. The incarceration of all Americans with Japanese descent during WWII? Institutionalised slavery (as was mentioned)? The Bush regime punishing dissenters by putting them on no-fly lists? The kidnapping and torture of people during the same regime? The treatment of Indians, and African-Americans throughout US history?

Heck, I'd even say that large-scale evacuations are a pretty big infringement on civil liberties. A perfectly justified one in most cases, but still a dramatic thing to be asked to do, whether it's due to weather phenomenon, 9/11, or other threats.

Sort of OT, but important:
A significant amount of trumpkins have voted for the Leopards Eating Peoples' Faces Party, imagining that the leopards are only ever going to eat their opponents' faces. They won't.

Neither has Barack Obama. Somehow he's one of the nation's top jurists, tho.

Has Barack Obama ever been appointed to a "top jurist" position? Or nominated to one?

Is there any question or comment that can't be answered with "butbutobama" :rolleyes: ? Either they really can't stand the guy, or they think we all adore him to death and hold him up as some sort of saintly idol of how a president should behave. Or both.

What do you think "jurist" means? Obama is a Constitutional law scholar who taught at Harvard Law. That makes him a jurist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurist

Somebody who hears traffic cases in municipal court is a judge, but that doesn't make him a jurist. A city prosecutor who puts street criminals in jail tries cases, but that doesn't make him a jurist either.

Deplorable.

Incorrect, Obama HAS tried cases. Granted, not many.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...al6-story.html

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Well trolled...

Toss out the bait, then sit back and enjoy the show. "Triggering liberals" and all that.

Well trolled indeed.

The Orange One has trained his minions well.... although it's such a shame how he's turned otherwise fairly intelligent people (or so we thought) into his servitude pack of drooling lumpens.

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So yet again we're pinning all our hopes on some new, future scandal/drama that will finally break Trump's completely steady approval rating even though all the previous scandals/drama didn't?

Yet another "This time will be different and this time we mean it..."

I think we're pinning our hopes on the polls being correct and that every non-fascist is fired up enough about the danger US democracy is in to go vote.

Polls that should be noted, have been incredibly static for the past few months, only fluctuating a few percent here and there.

As this thread implies, it is the Republicans who are hoping for something dramatic to cause a change in the status quo (hence the idea that Barr might manufacturer some scandal via the Durham report.)

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Since when have actions that endanger others been protected civil liberties? You may as well be trying to argue that every law is an intrusion of civil liberties, because all of them restrict some people from taking some action.

Laws preventing you from harming or endangering others is where civil liberties come from in the first place, without such laws there is no freedom for the vast majority of the population.

Yep. Not complaining about Obama's status as a jurist, even a highly regarded jurist.

Same with Barr. I'm not sure having tried cases is an important metric - or at least the only possible important metric - here.

Anyway, it turns out that Barack Obama has tried a case or two:

Thank you for the correction.

Arguing an appeal would be way more relevant as to being a jurist. If by that we mean having an understanding of the theoretical underpinnings of the law.

Trying a case is like being an athlete. Appeals are like being a coach. Some very good trial lawyers are complete muppets when it comes to any sort of deep legal analysis because it so rarely comes up.

It would help if people stopped taking the bait.

Related to Barr and his attempts to dig up (imaginary) dirt...

From: The Hill
The Department of Justice’s probe into the origins of the Russia investigation is also looking into how the FBI handled allegations of political corruption at the Clinton Foundation, sources told The New York Times.

I guess its not too suprising... When you run into so many dry wells as the republicans in their quest to find dirt on the Democrats, they go to their default "but Clinton..." (even though that will likely be just as fruitless)

I see Barr declare certain Blue Cities in Red States as "anarchist jurisdictions" and give local election officials the backing to discount votes from them.

Barr's dead end.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

The report concludes that there was no substantive wrongdoing but doubtless President Trump and his cronies will insist that this is clear evidence of the greatest political conspiracy of all time. :rolleyes:

edited to add....

He could still release a heavily edited version of the report which gives the impression that there was wrongdoing but that the Deep State were able to cover it up successfully

Wonder how Hannity and Fox will scheme this dud.

Easy peasy. From the article you linked:

. . . etc

Huh. I had no idea that was part of American history. Learn something new every day.

I think Barr's October surprise will be when he gets a smack-down from a judge for trying to enforce a private NDA signed by an aid to the FLOTUS. I don't expect this ruling to be kind to Barr or the person who hold his leash.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/13/polit...ump/index.html

WTF is the justice department doing in a civil matter? Oh, wait, I forgot, Barr's job is to be Trump's personal lawyer.

Is he like a public defender for Presidents who are too cheap to pay their legal bills?

Bill Barr's October surprise may just be surviving covid. Has he made any public appearances since his exposure to the super spreader pod in the White House?

My sauces inside the Trump Campaign have told me that the October Surprise will be a calendar featuring full-nudes of Trump and his cronies.

Stoppit ! :mad:

Some of us are planning to eat at some point in the future.

vaporware. As expected. I'm curious about how the spygate/Qanon types are going to react to this news.

No "substantive wrongdoing"? But how can that be? According to Dear Leader:

By claiming the report says exactly the opposite of what it says and then claiming the deep state win is only temporary.

You didn't have to go there.

I am curious though, were they barbeque, ranch, or sweet 'n' sour sauces?

Look for a "bombshell" (cough cough) smear attack on Hunter Biden in the next week or so as Trump's Hail Mary. FoxNews is salivating over a story about Giuliani's laywers having "dirt" on him and pushing it hard to their viewership.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...d-drive-laptop

Bad link

Why do I get an impression that Trump is the world's biggest "Karen"?

Did they find the dirt next to the WMDs in Iraq or in Al Capone's Vault or in Rachel Maddow's Tax Reveal?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...d-drive-laptop
404 page for me

Updated Link:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...sing-positions

I got a popup saying that if I liked their coverage I should disable my adblocker. Haha, no and no. I'm not a big fan of breathlessly reporting stories that are completely evidence-free and essentially repeating nonsense from their sister rag, The New York Post.

"Hey, there's this broken laptop and somebody says there's a ton of incriminating stuff on it...but nobody's actually seen this incriminating stuff...but WOW!"

Uh...yeah. Sounds like .....
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7732a8b1ff.jpg

Know thy enemy.

I wouldn't disable either though.

Hey, that's why I clicked. It's impossible to counter fake news without knowing what the fake news is. :)

SO the great Obama conspiracy theory turns out to be crap. What a suprise.

Journalist Judd Legum did an analysis of the NY Post story on his Twitter account.

I was going to copy and paste the text for people who can't access Twitter here, but it's a lot longer than I initially thought it was.

It turns out that the whole "scandal" is based (again) on the completely false idea that Joe Biden was trying to stop the investigation of Bursima.

Giuliani's lawyer says he has hard drive with Hunter Biden texts, emails, videos of 'compromising positions' (fox news)


Compromising positions and the ol' dog ate my harddrive trick.

Notice the sleazy use of language, "No "substantive wrongdoing", instead of saying there wasn't any evidence of wrongdoing?

Is Barr trying to discredit Biden and/or please der Führer, afraid to tell him Obama did no wrong?

What was the language they tried to use to claim Trump's campaign cronies weren't colluding with Russia?

Giuliani is a disgrace. How far he has fallen and he has done it to himself.