Re: was it Hunter Biden's laptop, but got stolen then "turned in" to the shop...
I think some people might be thinking part (but not all) of the data on the laptop might be real, and are trying to figure out how that might have gotten there, given all of the bizarre plot twists. A stolen laptop might explain that.

That is of course any of the data does turn out to be valid.



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Because it sounds like the kind of miscellaneous crap that someone would keep on a laptop.

The thank-you note quoted is so weak as evidence of corruption that I believe it's genuine. That doesn't speak to the rest of the contents.

One of the China email recipients has issued a statement claiming the email is real and not made up by the Russians.


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Bobulinski sounds kind of Russian to me, he must be an agent of Russia. ******* Putin!

I suspect that the email about the meeting is real. I think whoever Giuliani is working with (likely Russian agents) somehow got a hold of some of Hunter Biden's emails. That particular email is nothing at all, but it is the hook they are trying to use to convince people that all the other crap is also real. They could have gotten some of Hunter's emails in a variety of ways, with a stolen laptop being a pretty likely one. I don't buy the "He brought the computer in for repair on the opposite coast from where he lives and never bothered to pick it up" story at all. It just doesn't make sense at all, that he would have the repair done in Delaware instead of California (even though Dad does live there), that he would take it to some strip mall mom and pop store, or that he wouldn't pick it up is not the least bit plausible. I suspect that all the pedophilia and child porn allegations are made up out of whole cloth.

I get that. My question is why?

What possible evidence are believers acting on? At this point in time the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion this is made up crap!

You can always change that conclusion if any actual evidence surfaces. Until then, this is made up crap!

No, but it sounds sketchy as ****. What's with the lower case "i" in your avatar?

If the highlighted were true the emails would have been on Wikileaks by now. The fact there is this absurd story about how said emails were discovered is one big fat clue: the whole thing is bogus.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ictureid=12586

Bevan Cooney emails

https://www.scribd.com/user/528185499/Matthew-Tyrmand

Gee lol

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...iness-of-Ruski

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...Meeting-Detail

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...Meeting-Detail

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...ng-the-Rubicon

https://www.scribd.com/document/4811...ney-Laundering

It's obvious you're freaking out LOL. There is no evidence this was anything other than what the repair man reported to the FBI months BEFORE his intermediary contacted Giuliani's attorney Costello.

Something to consider if you think the laptop contains criminal material:

the way the information has come to light, via the Post through Rudy. has made it completely impossible to get any conviction for anything, even if there is clear evidence for criminal wrongdoing.
If you are at all interested in seeing any of the Biden in jail for crimes you think they have committed, you should be furious at Giuliani for giving Hunter and Joe the perfect excuse to have the evidence tossed out.

Look like a bunch of redacted emails from somebody to somebody else in the finance field. Scary stuff! Obviously somebody is implicated in something, because they rated a mention.

Oh, one quick Q: any chance these are NOT doctored? In any way? Hmmm?

Derp State in action.

Yesterday's Daily Beans podcast has an interview with Natasha Bertrand about her story which had the letter from 50 former intelligence agents saying this had the hallmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign. There's some interesting context in there.

Host Allison Gill also says that the rumours she's heard is that this is all leading up to a big revelation. Giuliani has allegedly spent the last few months building a fake paedophile ring in Eastern Europe, complete with fake arrests, that he will tie Biden to.

I have no idea as to Gill's credibility or reliability when it comes to predictions and rumours, although I do know that she's not always 100% on the known facts and she wears her bias on her sleeve, but I thought I'd mention it in case that is how the story develops in the next couple of weeks.

Never mind.

If true, this rather puts the lie to the "Hunter left his computers at the repair shop" story:

https://www.businessinsider.com/time...ear-5m-2020-10

Yes, this was on the Daily Beans yesterday, too. IIRC, it was said that it was in fact Giuliani's pal Andreii Derkach shopping them around.

Remember, it's the Steele Dossier that is a fraud. American commercially-operating intelligence companies are con artists, but you can always trust Russian organized crime to sell you the real thing.

Yeah the chain of custody is so broken I’d doubt they’d even be allowed to use the laptop as a doorstop in the courtroom.

The last thing that the people touting this laptop around want is for it actually to be forensically examined - it'd be laughed out of court.

Much better for it to be out there, unexamined, as a source of lies and innuendo.

How does the information coming to light via the NYP and Giuliani impact anything if the FBI had the laptop already? Personally, I don't think anybody of any importance is going to jail over this, or even that that is the main issue. Is this a tainted jury pool thing, or what?

tainted jury pool, affected witnesses, chance for the perpetrators to tamper with evidence/coordinate statements (if you think that might be the case), and yes, as soon as the President tweets about a case, the Jury might as well never show up.

Really? Any trial would presumably have evidence about whether or not Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off, whether the laptop was Hunter Biden's etc.... That seems like where the questions are, and they seem like easily answerable questions. After that, I don't see how this differs from Gary Glitters laptop. Owner drops laptop off, repair person examines laptop, repair shop guy contacts authorities, repair shop guy hands laptop over to authorities. That doesn't seem like such a remarkable chain of custody. Implicit in here seems to be the assumption that at some point Biden denies that the material is genuine.

Honestly, I think there was no possibility of this seeing the light of day without those issues. In any case, prison time for this seems like the least important consequence.

So your point is that it is better to try the Bidens in the Court of Public Opinion than in an actual Court?

I don't know about better. Are Trumps tax returns not being discussed in public because they should be left to the auditors? Many things are non-criminal but change our view of people. We've had years of leaks and "an anonymous source says"... Grubby as it may be, it's ridiculous to pearl clutch over this. I agree that there are real problems with people using the court of public opinion to bypass the actual courts, but in the case of politicians you'd be asking for an end to investigative journalists digging into politicians.

...Who ensured a chain of custody. Here it was intercepted and handled by an intermediary (Gulliani) who, considering his alleged expertise in law should have known better. He has tainted the evidence if there was any. And with his background in the DA he definitely knew that the "evidence" would not be admissible. We can safely say that the primary aim of this "revelation" is to just muddy the waters.

Yup. The aim is to increase noise level, not unlike the various 9/11 Truther groups and their "publications" and "research".

Still no evidence of a laptop other than the fake NYPost documents.

Rudy is likely to have gotten hold of faked Hunter Biden documents and any photos in Ukraine last year:
https://time.com/5902557/hunter-bide...liani-ukraine/

I didn't think Giuliani had been involved in handing it over to the FBI. The subpoena is to the repair shop guy in December 2019. Supposedly the repair shop guy gave the copy of the hard drive to Guiliani's lawyer in September 2020. What has Guiliani got to do with any chain of custody on the laptop?

Is the theory here that the repair shop guy has forged multiple documents from the FBI including signatures of FBI agents and passing them around and the FBI haven't done anything about it? Why?

My theory is that the FBI got the laptop that the Repair Shop had (from whatever source), but is not doing much about it for pretty obvious reasons.

Earlier in the thread there was a link to a Twitter sleuth who examined the FBI document. The serial number of the hard drive named in the document wasn't manufactured until after the anonymous person who couldn't fake Hunter Biden's signature had supposedly dropped off the laptop. You might have missed that because of your ignore list (like you're missing this).

The date he believed the external drive was manufactured was April 18 2019. So before the repair guy said he coped the files. He also falsely believed that the laptop didn't have a removable SSD, and hence recovery would have been very difficult. He acknowledges he mistakes in part of the twitter thread that doesn't get screenshotted.

Very different scenarios.

How is the chain of custody significantly different?

So we are agreed that the FBI subpoena info you are relying on doesn't actually indicate that they have anything belonging to Hunter Biden? And your repeated attempts to claim that the FBI making no comment implies....something (?) are much more indicative of your desire to believe this story than indicative that this farcical story is true?

Not so different if you count Rudy Giuliani as "authorities". Of course, no sane person would, and it seems likely that Giuliani actually aquired this particular trove of Russian disinformation in Ukraine.

Not sure why you think that given the repair guy gave it to the FBI months before his intermediary contacted Giuliani's attorney Costello.

What are you talking about? You seemed to be claiming that I was missing some critical bit of evidence that the external drive that the repair guy copied the files to might not have been manufactured until the day after the laptop was dropped off with him. Where are you going with that?