All things Trump + Russia
The other threads are either too general or too specific.
To start with, I'm cataloging some old news. These are the different times that Trump claimed to have a direct relationship with Putin. Nov 2013 Roberts: Do you have a relationship with Vladimir Putin? A conversational relationship or anything that you feel you have sway or influence over his government? Trump: I do have a relationship, and I can tell you that he's very interested in what we're doing here today. May 2014 Trump: I spoke, indirectly and directly, with President Putin. Oct 2015 Savage: Have you ever met Vladimir Putin? Trump: Yes. Savage: You have? Trump: Yes a long time ago. We got along great. And then of course, his infamous change of tune in Sept 2015, pre-dating the Savage interview?! Can that be right? Quote:
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Saw those clips back to back yesterday on the news. The blatant dishonesty is stunning.
The web of relationships between Team Trump and Russia has a nice diagram. |
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Thanks for that, I'll try to give it a read later but I saved the diagram for reference... it's a convoluted situation. Maddow has her teeth in this story, I hope she keeps it up next week. The Cyprus bank/new Commerce Sec Ross angle is one of the latest. |
It's all been ginned up by the lying fake news media! Trump has never spoken to any foreigners! Putin doesn't exist!
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I'm as tired of hearing "Russia" as I was of hearing "emails."
What I don't get: How Justice supposedly got information that presumably came from Russian security (Flynn's talks with ambassador). What caused Trump to finally say he was convinced that meddling in the U.S. presidential race came from Russia. Trump got where he is by inheriting money, running his mouth and appealing to a populist streak in voters. Putin got where he is by killing all his enemies. Trump is fundamentally outmatched and has no idea. I'm sure billions of dollars are flying around and maybe I should be more concerned about that, but unless Putin is sending pallets of cash directly to Trump, my post-election fatigue is edging out my curiosity. ETA: If I had the radio on and only heard the words "Sergey Kislyak," I'd probably think they were talking about a hockey player. |
Sorry, I know this is serious, but if there's a pee-pee video can the ka-ka one be far behind?
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The Russia connection is tremendously important not for putting a thumb on the scale in the election... but for what they'll (read Putin) want down the road. Make no mistake... we can be cordial with Russia (read Putin), we can be trading partners with Russia, we can make treaties and agreements with Russia, but Russia's national interests and those of the US are not, and probably will never be, in close alignment. There are any number of areas where they would like a free hand and US interests, alliances and muscle are all that stands in the way. This administration is now chock full of wealthy and influential people who have made millions (billions?) through the good graces of, you guessed it... V. Putin. Besides the rape of the US environmental and financial landscapes to come... what favors are they going to do for Russia? (Keep in mind... in many of these areas of interest for Putin, US inaction is all he needs.) This isn't some Rothschild's/NWO CT... it's much simpler than that. It's just very wealthy people, using their positions to stay that way. Citizenry be damned. And this new bromance looks to be very profitable. But given how outclassed Trump is in this match-up... I suspect it's the US citizens who'll get the shorter end of that stick. |
Its time for a full & thorough investigation into all things Russian.
Communications with the Trump campaign, FBI investigations into Trump, etc etc etc. |
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We need an investigation to look into all of this. Trump's claims against Obama, and all other things dealing with Russia and the Trump campaign. |
I'm fighting my eyelids...I did my best to read this...but I think I skipped quite a bit.
Either way...Your millage may vary... https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-f...ies-to-russia/ |
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Not to mention, you'd think the idiots in the Trump camp might have taken measures at the time. Yet some of Flynn's calls to the Russian ambassador were in Jan, weren't they? Surely they were at least as late as Dec. |
If the FISA warrant isn't public information because its an ongoing investigation, and Trump learned about the wiretapping from Breitbart, how did Breitbart get confirmation of the wiretapping/FISA warrant?
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Trump angry and frustrated at staff over Sessions fallout
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/04/politi...bus/index.html It's so funny when The Hair suffers. |
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This is strictly about trying to grasp at any straw they can to justify Trump's twitter rant after the fact, even if they have to contradict themselves now on what they were saying back then. |
Interestingly, after Watergate, several of Nixon's staff went to prison. Nixon didn't. If I was working for Trump now, I'd be getting ready to do a deal.
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And as usual, they use the same formula, be sure to have a Trump spokesperson on the panel to argue straw men and false equivalencies and never sufficiently point those out. Trumpsters have their talking points memos, look at Pelosi and Schumer talking to Russians. Never mind the circumstances of Sessions' denials were about meetings that were in the previous months to his confirmation hearing, Pelosi's was more than a decade earlier and the Russian ambassador was at a large table of participants. Shumer's meeting with Putin was at a public photo-op. Sessions claim about what he did talk about wasn't credible given the setting and the circumstances surrounding the meeting. Now they have Obama making an inconvenient comment when he thought the mike was off. Well, that was a news headline scandal the GOP took advantage of at the time. And again, we aren't just talking Trump telling the ambassador to wait until Trump was POTUS and he'd address the sanctions, there is also that entire layer of Russia interfering in the election. It's not that Trump said he'd revisit the sanctions, it's also that there is evidence of potential collusion in the Russian interference in the election. |
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Schiff to seek testimony from Trump 'dossier' author
Please, yes. The entertainment value alone could be comedy gold. |
The irony is that there are signs that Putin has become disgusted with Trump. He wanted a stupid puppet as POTUS,but not one so Stupid as to be dysfunctional.
I think Putin had a number of goals in playing around in the election:If he wanted to create chaos he has succeeded,if he wanted to get someone as Potus he could manipulate into changing policy he has failed. The whole Russia/Trump scandal has backfired;it has become politically toxic to come out in favor of a "softer" policy toward Russia, and, possibly to Putin's surprise, Trump cannot make serious changes to US policy toward Russia without Congress coming on board, and that is now impossble. It is the one area where the GOP congress critters have really pushed back on the White House. They might try to sweep Trump's ties to Russia under the rug, but no way will they adapt a "Putin friendly" policy. |
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Maybe, maybe not... for now. Putin is a simple man, among other things he wants power and... profit, sanctions lifted and deals reopened; profit; NATO weakened; profit; former territory reacquired; profit; etc. I'm not sure how comfortable the Republicans (or Dems) are going to be if we edge much closer to giving him much of that. I mean... my god, it the Russians. :rolleyes: I think the still sanctioned Exxon deal is the immediate profit prize. That's a half trillion dollar endeavor... I can't imagine ten or more of those billions don't find their way into Vlad's bank accounts. |
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Well the groundwork for future endeavors has been laid as well, without a doubt. He solidified his position pre-2000... he seems comfortable taking the long view. And his use of leverage purposely gathered decades earlier shows he's patient. I said he had simple goals... not that he's in any way a stupid man. Quite the opposite in fact. Without active resistance... he'll get there in the end. Wherever that may be. You can usually find it by following the trail of bodies. eta: It just occurred to me... he's probably laughed himself sore over the way we name major division heads "Czar". |
Trying to watch Maddow between pizza shell proofings, but...
It looks like I'm on the same page she is, though she has a far greater and deeper knowledge of the issues. We and Russia are not ideological allies. And they have been gutting our governmental resistance to their (Putin's) desires. If the GOP hasn't been listening to her and the like... they damn well better start. Depending on if this gets bad or gets reined back in... they're going to have to explain their individual positions on all of this. :( |
Right on.
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Any reasonable person should find the idea of secret courts and mass surveillance as revolting and antithetical to liberty and a limited state - and both big parties carry a lot of blame. Breitbart was reporting on a 'Heat Street' (owned by New Corp!) article (someone gave the link above, but BBC & The Guardian have similar related reports. So we have ... http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...dermine-trump/ https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-f...ies-to-russia/ but with more credibility IMO, From January, http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427 Quote:
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=== More interesting is that the Dem party is now the "conservative" party, trying to prevent change, and re-create a fabled past state of affairs. They aren't using the "Red scare" tactic very effectively. Is anyone alarmed that a Hotelier building in Abu Dhabi deals with money from the Russian Kleptocracy ? Is anyone surprised that the CEO of a major multi-national oil company has dealt with Russia (the 2nd/3rd oil producer) ? Sheesh Armand Hammer was promoting Russian relations during the cold war era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Hammer Is anyone surprised that members of the executive & legislative branch have met with the Russian Ambassador to the US ? Of course we expect, based on history, that the Russian Embassy & NATO staff support espionage (and presumably ours do the same), but calling Kislyak, the Russian ambassador "one of Russia's top spies" is laughable hyperbole, and irresponsible yellow journalism. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politi...ngs/index.html Then there is the "Russian Attack of the US" Left taking point; pure "1984" Ministry of Truth language distortion. SOMEONE hacked the Dem Party servers, b/c of a phishing exploit, wherein Podesta changed his password to "password" ! This talking point is wrong-headed for three reasons. No one can ascertain that Russia was behind this except by circumstantial evidence - readily manufactured to mislead. The Dem party is a private organization, not "the USA". The Dem party is free to secure their servers or not. I find their lack of security very unfortunate for the republic, but doesn't rise to the level of "attack". As long ago as 28 years ago, I worked on computer systems that required serious passwords - why the Dem IT staff failed to use (probably actively disabled) this basic system management feature or better yet used smart-cards or keys - suggests IT incompetence. It may be "naughty" to stare at your neighbors when they leave their blinds open, or to read the mail your co-works leave open on their desks - but it is not an "attack" when things are made so available. I could make a more coherent argument that the Dem IT staff sabotaged the server in order to distort the election. ==== I stopped listening to Maddow some years ago - she then regularly substituted smarmy condescension for evidence, a form of an ad populam fallacy ('wink wink - we all know the REAL TRUTH', despite a lack of evidence). IOW she falls closer to a Hannity mirror image than say even an O'Reilly - and I would need a LOAD of hard evidence and more reliable review sources to believe any of these. So far the Left has been blowing a load of smoke and Trump has thrown some of the smoke-bombs back. No fires ... yet. |
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Keeps piling up. |
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Trump Tweets like a petulant child because he is a petulant child. It's no more complex than that, no more thought out than that, no diabolical strategy, nada. We have more than a year of evidence supporting that conclusion but some people just can't believe Trump actually has a bonafide personality disorder so they add all this nonsense to explain his behavior. |
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FBI still investigating computer link between Trump Organization and Russian bank.
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Ho hum, a day in the life of Donald Trump. |
For the record, here's Manafort in Aug 2016 denying Trump campaign involvement in the platform change.
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