Another case of how the new restrictive abortion laws in mainly GOP controlled states almost killed a pregnant woman. Amanda Eid and Josh Zurawski of Austin TX:
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Texas woman almost dies because she couldn’t get an abortion

Summation: Amanda and Josh had fertility treatments for a year and a half. Amanda became pregnant but at just 18 weeks into the pregnancy, her water (amniotic fluid) broke. Once this happens, it is 100% sure that the baby will die as it cannot survive without the amniotic fluid. But at that point there was still a hearbeat and they were told an abortion could not be done under TX law.

At high risk for infection unless the baby aborted naturally, Amanda was told to watch for signs of infection which could only take hours or up to several weeks. Since it could happen within hours, they decided not to get an abortion at the nearest possible out of state place...an 8 hour drive away. "“Developing sepsis – which can kill quickly – in a car in the middle of the West Texas desert, or 30,000 feet above the ground, is a death sentence.”

Three days later, Amanda became ill and very quickly developed a fever of 102 by the time they arrived at the ER. When her temperature reached 103, the doctors felt they could now safely perform an abortion as her life was in imminent danger.


This didn't have to happen. But it did because certain states have removed the right of a woman and her doctor alone to make medical decisions when it comes to pregnancy. :mad::mad::mad:

[quote=Stacyhs;13948301]Another case of how the new restrictive abortion laws in mainly GOP controlled states almost killed a pregnant woman. Amanda Eid and Josh Zurawski of Austin TX:
Savita Halappanavar. That's where the US is heading, a country where there's thousands of such deaths a year all because a bunch of white men want to return woment to servitude

But it will all be worth it to pwn teh libs (some, on this very thread, would suggest).

Slight aside on the digital privacy front.

Facebook and Anti-Abortion Clinics Are Collecting Highly Sensitive Info on Would-Be Patients

The social media giant gathers data from crisis pregnancy centers through a tracking tool that works whether or not a person is logged in to their Facebook account

Well gosh! Colour me surprised!

Of course, its perfectly safe to communicate with abortion clinics without bothering with pesky things like online anonymity and security precautions.... just ask Recovering Yuppy

Looks like there's a bit of fighting back successfully going on.

Judge blocks Indiana abortion ban on religious freedom grounds

good

What about Christian women challenging that law joining in that lawsuit?

It's not like all Christians believe the same things (not just on the grounds of there being as many Christianities as there are Christians; but also on the basis of different Christian sects having very different principles —I mean, come on, are you going to tell me that the Hillsborough Baptists are the same as the United Church of Christ?). Having the ones who believe that "human life begins at conception" be considered as representative and excluding those who do not (probably the majority) seems perverse.

What would be the reasoning to suppose that those who believe this are more representative of Christians than those Christians who do not? Are Christians so gaslit by their fundamentalist wing as to believe that it would not be proper to be heard on this or is this just a disappointing oversight by on the part of the ACLU? I imagine it is the latter. If they had sought out such plaintiffs they would have found them in droves.

Atheist here so I don't really have a dog in this race. It just seems, to me, like a wrong framing to exclude Christians who do not believe as the fundies do.

Those who want to criticize my nurse friend in Virginia for her advice to abortion seekers on protecting their online anonymity might need to rethink their positions.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/re...cies-rcna67251

Last week, ProPublica released an investigation showing several online pharmacies use tracking technology to collect data on users’ web behaviors, and then give that data to third parties like Google to be used for targeted ads … or worse.

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Originally Posted by ProPublica Those details include the web addresses the users visited, what they clicked on, the search terms they used to find a website, the previous site they visited, their general location and information about the devices they used, such as whether they were on a computer or phone. This information helps websites function and helps tech companies personalize ads.

So, theoretically, abortion-seekers in a state with oppressive anti-abortion laws could visit these sites in search of refuge, the sites could relay their information to a third party, and law enforcement officials could subpoena that third party for all sorts of data to be used in a criminal prosecution.*And let’s be clear: Several Republicans nationwide have shown an eagerness to punish people who seek abortions.

Sources

ProPublica Investigation Report: https://www.propublica.org/article/w...ta-with-google

Punishment for seeking abortion: https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/20/polit...nvs/index.html

A personhood bill.

https://www.wbtw.com/news/politics/south-carolina-bill-could-make-death-penalty-possible-punishment-for-abortion/

Nucking futz.

Welcome to the theocracy.

Remember all those members who said this would never happen - that the Repugnicans would never criminalize women who got an abortion? Anyone notice how conspicuous those members now are by their absence from the debate.

The ramifications of this disgusting piece of legislation are far-reaching. If a woman getting an abortion can be charged with murder, then anyone helping her could be charged with accessory to murder before the fact. While this is only happening (so far) in SC, I wonder how my nurse friend in VA is feeling about this right now.

And of course, any woman who is suspected of it, such as someone who miscarries, or even who is wrongly suspected of pregnancy, can be arrested, charged tried, with the usual impact on resources, employment, and so forth. Note that the promoters of the law are from the start presuming that innocent women will be tried and required to prove a medical need.

About 20% of pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. The Guardians of Women's Morality Police will be busy confirming they weren't murdered by their mothers.
Maybe they'll be sent to Iran for training.

Hey what are you, one of those pinko commie enemies of due process? All they have to do is wait in jail or get bailed while they await a trial in which they can summon witnesses to try to convince a jury filtered by the prosecution's objections to believe them. And, you know, even people on death row sometimes get their sentences commuted to life. And hey, if they are bankrupted, or lose their jobs, or are deported, tough luck, sucks to be you and all.

So true. Besides, if they had a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage they must have done something wrong for that to happen in the first place, right?

(/sarcasm for those who might miss it)

Clearly, they must have. They were born female, and we alllllllll know that being born female must be a karmic punishment, inferior sinful beings that they are. :boxedin:

Sadly, that is an opinion held by many men and women.

And now, for something not completely different from Floriduh!


https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-republicans-file-extreme-6-week-abortion-ban-proposal-33707285

Women with irregular periods are at even higher risk for not knowing they are pregnant because of one missed period. It's also not at all uncommon for women to have some spotting during early pregnancy that can be mistaken for a light period.

We don't need to quibble about this: Politicians telling women how to have a pregnancy is the antithesis of personal freedom and self determination.
It's proof that Republicans consider women to be second class citizens at best, but more probably not really full humans.

Nah, they think women are full humans, just inferior to men intellectually and physically whose primary purpose in life is having children and cooking dinner.

Rather than invoking "human," "property" may well be the more relevant concept.

Senator Grall is 45 and representative Persons is 40. I am under no illusion that either of them will have any problem nor hesitancy in obtaining an abortion should they inadvertently become pregnant. After all, it's ok when you're republican.

Well, they certainly don't think that Human Rights should apply to women, children or foreigners.

Sandwiches are not going to make themselves!

Having seen the results of letting T (SO#1) operate the cooker that's a terrifying idea.

Sandwiches for dinner ?

Someone is due a whupping ! :rolleyes:

That reminds me of the classic "What did your last slave die of?" question, to which T's favourite answer is "Being flogged to death for indolence and insolence".
:D

You can only blame yourself for not training him better. :p

Sure, but how else would you have found out about the explosive decompression method for making mashed potatoes?

This was meant to be a parody of old fashioned views about women and the style of informational films. Sadly I think it is probably going to be part of the curriculum in quite a few schools...

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I AGREE

And the new sex education curriculum

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I AGREE

LOL! I've actually seen the first one before but I watched it again. It reminds me of the teachings of the FLDS Mormons whose stock phrase reminder to women is "stay sweet" which means "remain in control of your emotions at all times. Warren Jeffs and the men of the FLDS expected women to act in a certain way, essentially docile, obedient and ready to serve the prophet in whatever way he saw fit."

The second one had me picturing former VP and "Mother" Pence.

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/17/1164112268/abortion-pill-drug-hearing-amarillo-texas-federal-judge-kacsmaryk

:rolleyes:
Her..... I'm the token male, and I do most of the cooking.

I remember discovering the 'rubber' seal around the oven was flammable thanks to her.

Was the danger of forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term factored in?

In that case, she has trained you well.:p

True enough.