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Captain_Swoop 17th September 2020 03:04 PM

He said he wants to “clear away the twisted web of lies in our schools.”

Stacyhs 17th September 2020 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226950)
Trump Retweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
US government account
Today, we are seeing the results of decades of left-wing indoctrination in our schools.

No American student should be made to feel ashamed of their history or identity.

Right. No American student should be taught taught that slavery was wrong. They should be proud of that part of our history! :rolleyes:

Horatius 17th September 2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13226880)
Trump’s performance tells they ain’t working.



Scary thought - what if they are?

Safe-Keeper 17th September 2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13226904)
He’ll show up because his ego requires it.

He has already shown up for several debates where he's been raked over the coals and not made a good appearance, so yes, he will probably show up simply because he does not know what's good for him :p . Then he'll do a terrible job, spin it in some way or another, and declare victory, with the alternative media cherry picking moments that makes him look good and Biden look confused and lost.

Hopefully most people (the ones outside the Trump cult) will see him for what he is, though.

Mojo 17th September 2020 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226950)
Trump Retweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
US government account
Today, we are seeing the results of decades of left-wing indoctrination in our schools.

No American student should be made to feel ashamed of their history or identity.


“...the last refuge of the scoundrel.“

Ladewig 17th September 2020 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226964)
He said he wants to “clear away the twisted web of lies in our schools.”

Of course he wants to clear away that web of lies.
He wants to install his own twisted web of lies, and it would be silly to have two webs.

quadraginta 17th September 2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TofuFighter (Post 13224706)
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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13224340)
...
I consider myself well read on the histories of presidents, particularly those who served in my lifetime. Those stretch from Nixon to Trump. I simply can't imagine any of them being on the campaign trail while the entire west coast was up in flames and a major hurricane was about to strike the Gulf Coast. I have every confidence that all those other presidents, including Nixon would have been in the White House (or Camp David which has been used as an emergency command post when the Situation Room was down for some reason), making sure the full force and power of the US Government was being applied to protect American Citizens and ease their burdens.
...

Typical blue-staters. Treat me badly, very badly, worse than anyone thought possible, then expect me to help them.


Exactly. How could anyone expect him to be President to all the people.

It isn't like there are any Republicans in those blue states, anyway.

Right?

:rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 17th September 2020 03:51 PM

Trump says "they" plan to "rip down Mount Rushmore," and "the left wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American revolution"

He sounds like he is half asleep, his delivery is slow and slurred.

quadraginta 17th September 2020 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 13225282)
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13225266)
Kayleigh McEnany says

"I'm not going to give you a readout of what our health care plan looks like and who's working on it. if you want to know, come work here at the White House"

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 13225268)
Yeah, it's not like the electorate needs any actual information a month and a half before an election!

You are going to pay for it but it’s none of your business. Trump politics, or Republican politics?


It's been quite a while since there was any discernible difference between the two.

quadraginta 17th September 2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13225679)
AG Barr rages against mail ballots, Democratic "socialists."
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“I think we are getting into a position where we’re going to find ourselves irrevocably committed to a sotialist path. And I think if Trump loses this election, that will be the case.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/listen...-all-that-sht/


Nice to know that the Attorney General of the United States takes his oath and obligations to the people seriously, and doesn't see himself as a shill and mouthpiece for Trump.

quadraginta 17th September 2020 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13227023)
Nice to know that the Attorney General of the United States takes his oath and obligations to the people seriously, and doesn't see himself as a shill and mouthpiece for Trump.


On a related thought, I wonder if this Administration will wind up being seen as having finished with the worst people in history in every single office that was filled by Trump.

People like Fauci may skew that somewhat. But there aren't very many Fauci's left in the Administration, and he might be gone by January.

(ETA: And he wouldn't count anyway, Trump inherited him.)

Craig4 17th September 2020 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TofuFighter (Post 13224706)
Typical blue-staters. Treat me badly, very badly, worse than anyone thought possible, then expect me to help them.

Where are the Americans contradicting me? It's all Trumptrash. They aren't Americans. They aren't like us. They aren't as good as us. The only people not supporting me are Trumptrash and everyone knows they're kind aren't as good as real Americans. They aren't like us. They aren't as good as us. We don't need their kind.

Craig4 17th September 2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13226963)
Ah, yes. The Great Trump Patriotic Youth Education Movement.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3dd3856a04.jpg

That's certainly what he and his kind want. A vote for Trump is a vote for treason. We need leaders who will support teaching our children the truth, not the stupid, vapid, inaccurate version that he and the stupid, vapid DeVos bitch would advocate.

Stacyhs 17th September 2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13227037)
That's certainly what he and his kind want. A vote for Trump is a vote for treason. We need leaders who will support teaching out children the truth, not the stupid, vapid, inaccurate version that he and the stupid, vapid DeVos bitch would advocate.

What's next? Trump armbands with a "T" on them? It truly is a cult.

Norman Alexander 17th September 2020 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13227039)
What's next? Trump armbands with a "T" on them? It truly is a cult.

A crooked T insignia on them. And tall pointed white hats.

newyorkguy 17th September 2020 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13225679)
AG Barr rages against mail ballots, Democratic "socialists."
Quote:

“I think we are getting into a position where we’re going to find ourselves irrevocably committed to a socialist path. And I think if Trump loses this election, that will be the case.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/listen...-all-that-sht/

The AG tells Americans if trump loses the election it means socialism. HHS offical and trump loyalist michael caputo tells Americans to buy ammo.
Quote:

"If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get." USA Today
How can things like this be happening in the United States? If we recover -- if -- history will eviscerate these people. These four years will be known as the absolute worst period in American history.

Aridas 17th September 2020 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13226963)
Ah, yes. The Great Trump Patriotic Youth Education Movement.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3dd3856a04.jpg

Ugh. I read Trump's tweet and knew there was no way that it could mean anything actually good. Thanks for the reminder about that connection, though, unpleasant as it is.

Skeptic Ginger 17th September 2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13225266)
Kayleigh McEnany says

"I'm not going to give you a readout of what our health care plan looks like and who's working on it. if you want to know, come work here at the White House"

Makes me wonder if that is her talking point or her going off script. :rolleyes:

Skeptic Ginger 17th September 2020 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13227023)
Nice to know that the Attorney General of the United States takes his oath and obligations to the people seriously, and doesn't see himself as a shill and mouthpiece for Trump.

He's even taken up Trump's tactics: He's thinking about it. :mad:

Lupus 17th September 2020 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13221502)
To ...... reinforce.

Most of this has to do with "road to get there" actions than "destination" ones.

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that can likely be largely traced back to how it's been very affected by some very rich Libertarians and corporatists
With Trump he's self-funded so you can't say he's being controlled by rich Libertarians and corporatists. Who knows though what the future of the party holds once he isn't president.

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13221502)
Could you point to the statistics that you're referring to, out of mild curiousity? To be clear, I'm not disputing that link, especially given that there's a fairly direct link between wealth and happiness (at least to around, say 70K-80K a year in income), though I am curious about whether that link is properly accounted for in the statistics that you're thinking of.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008...pers/#fn-718-2
It's quite old now. An important sentence is
"In other words, if one were to compare a theoretical Republican and a theoretical Democrat who had the identical age, ethnicity, race, gender, income, marital status and education level, the Republican would be 13% more likely than the Democrat to be very happy."

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Originally Posted by Aridas (Post 13221502)
Also, to add my anecdotal experience to the mix to help delve into that a little more, I have a number of conservative friends and family. Most of them are smart, well-adjusted, and generally good people. When politics comes up, though, for most of them, they seem to fall prey to outright, easily demonstrable lies and nonsense to a rather remarkable extent. When my father, for example, was arguing that the Civil War is great evidence that the current Democratic Party is utterly racist (as just one example of the jaw-dropping level of ignorance and turning off his brain required to make the arguments that he did), it boggled the mind. When he utterly broke his word in an incredibly dishonest way to try to prop up his belief that immigrants are criminals with no respect for law when presented with evidence to the contrary, that was depressing.

It's true though that the democratic party was the choice of the KKK and the leaders supported segregation and blacks having less civil rights for the longest time until the 60s.
Perhaps he meant illegal immigrants? Then they are breaking the law by definition. Average criminality depends on whether they are economic, illegal Mexican and family member immigrants (continued steady decline), or refugee immigrants (raised crime rates, breaking trends). Here's statistics for a country that let in a large amount of refugees. The worst of all has been child sexual assaults that jumped up by 30% in 2016, with the most probable reason being the large amounts of migrants let in that year. Just the nastiest stuff in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_...micideRate.jpg
https://protectchildren.ca/en/press-...d_sexual_abuse

wasapi 17th September 2020 05:41 PM

Regarding Trump's mental and physical health, as it gets closer to the election he appears more unhinged and manic.

Does anyone know if he could have a bad stroke or coronary?

chrispy 17th September 2020 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wasapi (Post 13227109)
Regarding Trump's mental and physical health, as it gets closer to the election he appears more unhinged and manic.

Does anyone know if he could have a bad stroke or coronary?

... and then the US gets Mike Pence, AKA 'Father'. :(

Norman Alexander 17th September 2020 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
With Trump he's self-funded so you can't say he's being controlled by rich Libertarians and corporatists. Who knows though what the future of the party holds once he isn't president.

Ah, no. Trump, the wannabe mafiosi, always has been beholden to the people who carry his markers for him. He's funded by "offshore interests", and has been for decades. Certainly Trump Enterprises alone could not have afforded to send him to Washington four years ago. Why do you think he is fighting so hard to hide his tax picture? Because he's ashamed of his Sharpie signature on them? Or that they will show he is not even a hundred-thousand-aire? Not a bit of it. It's because his "connections" will be revealed, which will show who is really pulling his strings. And no doubt some of them would rather he didn't let that happen, or they might go all Tony Soprano.

Stacyhs 17th September 2020 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wasapi (Post 13227109)
Regarding Trump's mental and physical health, as it gets closer to the election he appears more unhinged and manic.

Does anyone know if he could have a bad stroke or coronary?

It's always possible. But heis the most mentally and physically fit president ever in the history of the country! :rolleyes:

Captain_Swoop 17th September 2020 06:28 PM

Trump Tweets

On Air Force One heading to Wisconsin. Biden refused to go there to apologize for not showing up for the failed Democrat Convention. So funny to watch the Fake News fawning over Sleepy Joe’s ridiculous “car press conference”. Pathetic!

Captain_Swoop 17th September 2020 06:32 PM

He must have missed it when Joe went to Wisconsin and met with Jacob Blake's family.

Steve 17th September 2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13227160)
He must have missed it when Joe went to Wisconsin and met with Jacob Blake's family.

Of course he missed it. He misses much of reality.

Captain_Swoop 17th September 2020 06:36 PM

Trump said

"Somebody said, 'you're just doing okay in the suburbs.' I said, how can I do okay? I saved the suburbs. What I've done is saved the suburbs. I don't have to go into it, but I saved the suburbs."

newyorkguy 17th September 2020 06:37 PM

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trump self-funded? Not now.
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Republican Party megadonors are racing to bail out President Donald Trump’s cash-strapped reelection campaign, with a newly formed super PAC pouring a further $25 million into battleground states. Politico report
One of the megadonors is Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus. He's ninety-one.

Norman Alexander 17th September 2020 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13227163)
Trump said

"Somebody said, 'you're just doing okay in the suburbs.' I said, how can I do okay? I saved the suburbs. What I've done is saved the suburbs. I don't have to go into it, but I saved the suburbs."

Saved them from what? If they are being saved from Trump instead of by Trump then that's a step forward, at least.

PS. Trump would not know a suburb if he fell over in one.

Stacyhs 17th September 2020 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13227158)
Trump Tweets

On Air Force One heading to Wisconsin. Biden refused to go there to apologize for not showing up for the failed Democrat Convention. So funny to watch the Fake News fawning over Sleepy Joe’s ridiculous “car press conference”. Pathetic!

Awwww....isn't he cute? He's still whining like a toddler because the Dem convention got better ratings than his silly convention with few speakers other than family. Yeah, it's 'pathetic' when Biden shows how a responsible leader handles a town hall meeting during a pandemic.

Stacyhs 17th September 2020 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13227160)
He must have missed it when Joe went to Wisconsin and met with Jacob Blake's family.

Trump: Jacob Blake who?

Norman Alexander 17th September 2020 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226964)
He said he wants to “clear away the twisted web of lies in our schools.”

This is Miller speaking through Trump.

Trump doesn't remember school. He barely went there. And he certainly is not across any deep conspiracies they may be perpetrating. He is barely across the daily business of brushing his teeth and wrestling with the toothpaste.

alfaniner 17th September 2020 08:37 PM

Man, the snippets I saw of today's speech were revealing. Looks like The PDJT is getting exhausted. I can only hope the campaign trail wears him down even more.

Lurch 17th September 2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226948)
The White House Tweets
@WhiteHouse
US government account

President @realDonaldTrump announced that he will sign an Executive Order establishing a commission to promote patriotic education: The 1776 Commission!

And if the fundies have any input on the matter, that education might be just enough to get by in that eponymous year. Already too many Yanks are falling behind most of the world. Keep 'em dumb 'n numb.

Lurch 17th September 2020 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13226950)
Trump Retweeted

The White House
@WhiteHouse
US government account
Today, we are seeing the results of decades of left-wing indoctrination in our schools.

No American student should be made to feel ashamed of their history or identity.

The Trail of Tears, slavery of blacks, Jim Crow, and kids in cages are great achievements, don't you know!

The Don 17th September 2020 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lurch (Post 13227258)
The Trail of Tears, slavery of blacks, Jim Crow, and kids in cages are great achievements, don't you know!

40-45% of the US electorate seem to think so. :(

I'm all for having national "creation myths" so long as they don't completely gloss over the uncomfortable stuff but this sounds like an attempt to whitewash history. Maybe the Confederates won after all, it just took 150 years more than expected. :(

Lurch 17th September 2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
With Trump he's self-funded so you can't say he's being controlled by rich Libertarians and corporatists.

Trump is SELF funded?!

Where did the 800 million the campaign blew through come from, which then inspired Trump's tepid claim to maybe throw in 100 mil of his own because of the cash crunch?

Self funded. You're funny.

Aridas 18th September 2020 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
Most of this has to do with "road to get there" actions than "destination" ones.

Sure. I was poking at some of the main factors for what happened to the Republican Party and why it's not currently a conservative party that would be a positive force for the nation.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
With Trump he's self-funded

He claimed to be such for the 2016 primaries. Not so much for after that. To be clear, though, I wasn't referring to Trump specifically in that. While Trump has been an important influence on the Republican Party for the past four years, I was referring to a number of much more long-lasting influences that are major reasons for why Trump even could rise to power as he has.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
so you can't say he's being controlled by rich Libertarians and corporatists.

Actually... as long as what Fox News pushes is being heavily influenced by the propaganda that those rich Libertarians and corporatists have created, that's pretty close to controlling his actions. Trump's quite amply demonstrated that Fox can fairly easily get him to change course on numerous occasions. That's even without the money part of things.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
Who knows though what the future of the party holds once he isn't president.

We can certainly hope that things get better, though simple hope won't be enough to undo the long-term damage or do much to change the underlying drivers.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2008...pers/#fn-718-2
It's quite old now. An important sentence is
"In other words, if one were to compare a theoretical Republican and a theoretical Democrat who had the identical age, ethnicity, race, gender, income, marital status and education level, the Republican would be 13% more likely than the Democrat to be very happy."

First, thank you for showing what you were thinking of. It's not especially relevant to what had been raised, but its an interesting topic in and of itself. After reviewing the link, I think that that sentence is a useful one, but to be taken with a grain of salt. Right after it, for example, it added a couple factors to the mix, church attendance and health status, that reduced that margin to 7%. Go a bit later on, and "It may be that one of the key factors that explain the Republican happiness edge is no more complicated than this: Republicans have fewer financial woes than Democrats." is another sentence of note. Follow that with - "One obvious limitation of the Pew surveys discussed in this report is that they did not explore respondents’ psychological characteristics,which surely have something to say about whether a given individual is happy or not." There certainly does seem to be a gap, yes, though.

Studies have progressed since then as well, though. On that general topic, it's likely worth also considering some more recent studies of relevance like this one - Conservatives report, but liberals display, greater happiness. For a bit of a summation of some of it, here's another link. To poke at some of the gist of parts not directly covered by the headline,

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In line with previous studies, the researchers found "increasing political conservatism predicted greater reported life satisfaction." However, they “also found that self-deceptive enhancement was higher among conservatives than liberals."

Liberals, in other words, were more self-aware, meaning that when they declared they were happy, it was more likely to be genuinely true.

The researchers caution that "it would be a mistake to infer from our data that liberals are 'objectively' happier than conservatives." They note that there is some evidence suggesting that convincing yourself of your own happiness can prove advantageous in both work settings and personal relationships. Plastered-on smiles have their place.
Again, not especially relevant to how easily emotionally triggered and influenced one is by fear and anxiety, but an interesting topic itself.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
It's true though that the democratic party was the choice of the KKK and the leaders supported segregation and blacks having less civil rights for the longest time until the 60s.

Indeed. However, there's been quite the political realignment since then, given the Civil Rights movement and the Southern Strategy in particular, before getting to all the rest. Using the Civil War and the origins of the KKK as condemnations of the current Democratic Party is... to be kind, not even remotely a sign of being either informed or intelligent. Which is a bit maddening when a person is otherwise an intelligent person.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
Perhaps he meant illegal immigrants?

Sadly, no.

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Originally Posted by Lupus (Post 13227100)
Then they are breaking the law by definition.

While that may be technically true, albeit naught but worthy of an eyeroll when, for example, a family crosses the border and immediately turns themselves in to seek asylum under the relevant treaty (especially when they had been unlawfully prevented from seeking asylum otherwise - which the Trump Administration has worked hard to do), he wasn't particularly talking about that. The general thrust was more towards violent crimes and, for example, how refugees weren't really integrating with the larger American society (which is true for some of them, but... personally, I find it hard to blame a number of those for whom that's the case for a number of reasons).

What I was more directly referring to, though, was that after I cited a fact that he didn't believe, we made an agreement to verify whether it was true or not, because facts do matter. He had the opportunity to check first and came back with quite the tale. By his own telling (only barely altered for objectivity), he found lots of fact-checkers that verified what I said to be true, but those were just fact-checkers and could be ignored. So, he scrounged around in the statistics, located one that was completely irrelevant to the agreement (and not at all as indicative as he wanted it to be) and then declared that that statistic proved that he was right. He thoroughly violated both the letter and spirit of our agreement over something that *should* have been a side-note, at best. At that point, he quite obviously had ingrained emotional triggers on the subject, to wrap it around a bit. Triggers that were almost certainly put there by Fox and right-wing media.

Captain_Swoop 18th September 2020 02:58 AM

Trump Tweeted

Never forget, they are coming after ME, because I am fighting for YOU!


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