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ETA: And that is a dead link (404). I expected it would be. |
No, it's not too late. Let me get the correct link.
That's how you're discouraging go to Planned Parenthood or other good resources. It is not important to cover your browser history before going there. No one should waste time figuring that out before going there. ETA: https://digitaldefensefund.org/ddf-a...privacy-poster https://digitaldefensefund.org/ddf-g...ortion-privacy |
I managed to get that link to work
https://digitaldefensefund.org/ddf-guides ... and guess what I found Keep Your Abortion Private & SecureOh dear... this is what I have been trying to tell you. 3. That the person who pays your phone bill can see your textsAgain, this is what I have been trying to tell you. 5. Your phone company keeps copies of your browsing history or texts about your abortionOnce again, this is what I have been saying. Also, I should point out that they have made a fundamental error here when they state "However, thanks to encryption called HTTPS, they can’t see what you do on those websites". This is misleading at best, outright wrong at worst. Firstly, every page on a website has its own unique URL, so the ISP (and indeed any law enforcement agency they pass the information to) can see what pages you have visited on the website. Secondly, SSL Certificates are not hacker-proof. The State could easily get the tools to see what you did on those websites. I also note that ALL of the solutions and suggestions provided in the guides by this website, such as switching off location services, turning off Ad ID, Google Voice, Signal encryption etc, are technical solutions. The technical privacy solution that cannot be worked around and/or defeated and/or hacked has not yet been invented, at least, not unless you are the military or the government. I will address a couple of them • Turning off location services won't help. If you live in one state, and turn your location services off to travel to another state, and think you are safe from being tracked, you are mistaken. Every cell-tower between where you live and your destination, and anywhere you go, will record your presence when your phone pings the tower. Even if you turn it off while traveling, the moment you turn it on, it will ping the tower, and your location is revealed and recorded. There is no substitute for the non-technical solution - leave your smartphone at home - there is no way to defeat this. • Signal Message Encryption can be defeated simply by seizing your smartphone and using your own app to read the decrypted messages. If you try to protect access to your device or app by using a password and refuse to give it up to law-enforcement, they can simply get a court order to direct you to do so, and if you still refuse, they will throw your arse in jail until you comply. https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...use-encryption and even SCOTUS won't help you https://www.reuters.com/business/leg...re-2021-05-17/ • I can't speak for Firefox Focus as I have never used it, but as for using Duck Duck Go, if you thought that will save you, you thought wrong! https://www.komando.com/security-pri...ng-you/839860/ Again, there is no substitute for using non-technical solutions - Don't use your own smartphone for communications and internet - Leave your smartphone at home when traveling interstate - Use burner phones to communicate (they are cheap - ~US$25) PS: I love it when a debate opponent posts a link they think supports their view, only it actually turns out to support mine. Awesome! |
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It is clear and obvious why you should first take steps to cover your digital tracks before you leave them. Even the websites YOU are pushing are telling you this :boggled: |
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You can find out how to pay for an abortion anonymously there too. But nothing says everyone has to do it that way. |
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Just yesterday you were explaining to me why the sites I was "pushing" didn't and wouldn't tell me that. ETA: By the way, if you actually think those websites are saying the same thing you've been telling me then just have your friend pass those out rather than that pamphlet. |
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The whole fact that you advocate going direct to abortion websites as a first port of call to get internet security information before actually implementing any internet security, necessarily implies that you do not think internet security is necessary. Quote:
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I'll just leave this here for some posters to contemplate!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/tech/...s-data-privacy In some of the most restrictive states, digital rights experts warn that people’s search histories, location data, messages and other digital information could be used by law enforcement agencies investigating or prosecuting abortion-related cases. |
Read smartcooky's cnn link carefully and not in the context of anything he has said.
Here is original post that I took issue with. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post13926993 The damn thing is obviously the work of someone trying sabotage a woman's ability to get an abortion. Things it advises: 1. Don't talk your doctor. How are you supposed to know what your options are without this? 2. Travel out of state without telling anyone where you are going and don't involve anyone in the planning. How dangerous is that? 3. Don't fly. Obviously don't want her getting there fast. Ignore that advice. Pay attention to the experts without buying in to unnecessary fear. |
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And the more religious and more Republican they are the more perniciously hypocritical they are... I wonder why? I think the answer has something to do with the Zomifying religion syphilitic parasite droppings rattling around their craniums in lieu of grey cells. Much like this wretched creature...
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Right now, data brokers have access to every internet search you make, and every website you surf whether it is directly, or as a result of your searches, and they do this to build a profile or dossier of your activity to sell to advertisers who will tailor ads to suit your searches.
If you search for abortion advice or an abortion clinic, that information is immediately entered into your advertising profile the moment you hit enter - and it is there forever. If you go to to an abortion advice website or an abortion clinic website, that visit will be entered into your dossier the moment you hit enter, and its there forever. Law Enforcement can get a subpoena for that dossier, and can see every one of those searches you made, and every website you have visited. These dangers are real, not imagined and certainly not exaggerated or overblown. If you or a friend is seeking an abortion, pay attention to the cybersecurity experts first and foremost and take precautions to anonymize your online activity BEFORE starting to search for abortion advice. There have already been abortion-seekers and people helping abortion-seekers prosecuted, that were undone by their visibility online! The numbers might be small but they are not insignificant, and its going to get worse... much, much worse. |
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Indeed... Or ... in a more humorous but not less frightening way to put it. start @minute 8:30...
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Travelling out of state, without anyone else's help in planning, with no one knowing where you are going, without having talked to a doctor first is a horrible idea. Why is it you think that PP and DDF are not using the same language? It's really difficult to do but that pamphlet isn't great advice even in Texas where a small amount of it has some merit (but not primary for the abortion seeker herself, for the people helping her). It's the right wing trying to scare young mothers, don't help them! |
Give a person this link, not that pamphlet. Planned Parenthood will give you good advice!
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...e-get-abortion Even if you are in TX both of those sites (I'm referring to a site that site refers to) still tell you to get help in TX first. They point you at people who will help plan and fund your travel. You will miss out on those if you follow smartcooky's advice. An examination could even reveal you are still eligible for an abortion without leaving Texas, despite TX doing their best to make that impossible it is still legal and you should definitely take advantage of it if you can. Quote:
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What I suggested might not have been the best or most effective idea in the world, but this moon-logic response doesn't address it at all. How generalizable is this principle? Should we not install fire sprinklers, lest they terrify people by reminding them of the possibility of fires? |
"moon logic"? Following the advice of the experts on this matter is "moon logic"? The first priority is get help. I've cited the experts on that more times than I can count now.
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ETA: Keep in mind that we are talking about something that is legal to do. Look up the page, I cited this as recently as this morning and have cited it several times. ETA: A repeated link I think: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion Note the following facts: 1. That page says nothing about covering your tracks at all. 2. If you go the "checklist" button on that site, you get a reference to a legal site with no direction to cover your tracks. 3. Digital privacy is foot note on that page. 4. If you go that Digital Defense fund link, you are not told to cover your tracks first, you aren't even told to do it all. It's phrased as optional depending on circumstances. 5. Avoiding prosecution isn't mentioned on that page (and it shouldn't be because the vast majority of people seeking an out of state abortion are not committing a crime). The primary concerns on that page are shielding data from relatives, roommates, and abortion protestors. If you click on the legal advice link I mentioned above you get all the way to this page (I'm citing Texas since they are the worst example). You are never told to cover your tracks. You are told to click on links to find abortion providers. https://www.abortionfinder.org/abort...rtion-in-texas Note how many times you don't see "cover your tracks" and do see "traveling out of state for an abortion is legal". |
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RecoveringYuppy has been consistently and repeatedly 1. Citing links that do not support his claims 2. Creating strawman arguments and then arguing against them 3. Willfully ignoring /dismissing examples that debunk his claims 3. Claiming that abortion advisers give better cybersecurity advice than cybersecurity experts 5. Lying about what others here are saying |
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Your IP address does not identify you directly, but it may serve as an identifier that can be linked to you via other means, such as data you supply while interacting with web sites. You can, of course, use a VPN. Do you trust your VPN provider more than your ISP? Do you trust the web sites you visit? Should you? Do you trust the court system to sign off on warrants only when there is probable cause that you have done something illegal? Do you trust law enforcement to go after your browsing history only when you have done something illegal? Do you trust your own understanding of what is legal and what is not? With respect to the subject of this thread, there are more than 50 different jurisdictions in the US alone, each with the potential (often realized) to have its own notion of what is legal. Quote:
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But what kind of breakdown of law do you expect he is going to be able to carry out? How far will he able to break the law? The draconian law in Texas specifically excludes targeting the abortion seeking mother. And do you remember a very key detail about why that law has been so pernicious? He is actually precluded from enforcing it. That law has to be enforced by individuals bringing lawsuits. Remember that key detail? BTW I've repeatedly called out that TX is an exception. The pamphlet I've been railing against as scaremongering has been promoted for states other than Texas. smartcooky has even raised the possibility that the law might change and be applied retroactively. It also appears (based on a correction smartcooky offered) that his pamphlet was specifically being used in West Virginia. I've cited from multiple sources that W VA law excludes prosecuting the seeker. No state targets the seeker as far as I know (my sources for that were a few months old). W VA explicitly excludes the seeker. Not only is it perfectly legal to travel out of state, it's legal to seek and obtain an illegal abortion in West Virginia. Wrap your head around that. It will be the provider who is prosecuted, not the seeker. The actual reality in the US is that targeting the mother is an extremely unpopular idea even among anti-choicers. I cited extremist legislators in Louisiana getting shot down trying to do that by a coalition that includes anti-choicers. Anti-choicers try to frame it as the mother being one of the victims of the abortion. They know what a **** storm they'll have if they target the seekers. |
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Although laws may say the Texas attorney general is not allowed to do certain things, Ken Paxton has a history of doing things that are not permitted by law. Despite Paxton's efforts to run away from the subpoena, Paxton has been ordered to testify in a lawsuit whose plaintiffs say ...Paxton’s statements on social media and in the press make it clear that the state’s top lawyer believes the abortion funds can and should be prosecuted for their work over state lines.ETA: Let it not be said that Texas AG Ken Paxton is completely unaware of threats to online privacy: Attorney General Paxton has sued Google, alleging that the tech giant has unlawfully captured and used the biometric data of millions of Texans without properly obtaining their informed consent to do so. |
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Even if you use browser privacy modes or Duck Duck Go or StartPage etc, your ISP has a record of all the websites and webpages you surf and connect to and it knows what you have searched, even of you are signed out of, say, Google or Bing. https://www.privacypolicies.com/blog/isp-tracking-you/ Despite the privacy precautions you take, there is someone who can see everything you do online: your Internet Service Provider (ISP). While not using Google while signed in etc. is good advice, its not enough to protect you from a Law Enforcement subpeona to your ISP for the internet history they have on you. |
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Anyone who believes that these Republican anti-abortion types would not do this is naive in the extreme. If there is anything we have learned about them in the last 20 years or so, its that every time you think they couldn't possibly do things that are a more vile and more disgusting than they have already done, they do! |
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post13926993 That is bad advice. It's only slightly good in two or three states (and those states aren't West Virginia which is apparently where smartcooky's friend is using it). That pamphlet is about planning an out of state abortion which is legal everywhere for the abortion seeker. It has bad recommendations such as: 1. Don't talk to your own doctor. Nonsense, you need him to know what your options are. 2. Don't tell anyone where you are going or talk to anyone while travelling. Dangerous nonsense. 3. Don't fly. Nonsense, get to your destination as quickly as you can. And all the precautions about burner phones, using cash, etc are just scare mongering wastes of time in practically every state of the union. That is not good advice. It could come from a right wing saboteur trying to pose as an abortion advocate. Women following that advice will be burning up valuable time and unnecessarily afraid. Some of that advice is useful in Texas but even there some of it is still dangerous and is written in unhelpful scaremongering tone. You'd do much better off to go to the Planned Parenthood website and step through their advice which will get you to actual legal, medical, and security people who are on the ground in Texas and on the side of Planned Parenthood. |
I hope my prior post makes my concerns clear.
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I'll re-read to see what your concerns I may have misaddressed or misunderstood but I think we're not going to have much disagree about from reading the rest of your post. |
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