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curious cat 29th January 2020 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970256)
Oh yes. Lots of squirming.

Welcome back! I was worried we've lost you forever! (Well, not really :-)). Finally the master again, surely able to fix the mess his apprentice made!

smartcooky 29th January 2020 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12970341)
Great to have you back, yankee451.
Now you're here, perhaps you could address this:

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12967974)
This is a great example of how so many CT-ists are so desperate to refute any and all questioning of their pet theories that they forget what they were actually arguing for.
yankee451: You said there were holes big enough for a missile to pass through. I noticed that a 14-inch-wide missile could not pass through a 14-inch-wide hole without getting jammed.
You responded with a link explaining how a missile would not need a hole, because it could blast its own way through.
You are therefore arguing against yourself, and also inadvertently destroying your whole theory.
Please highlight the 'clean exit hole' your own link says the missile would make, and then explain why you have been arguing that a missile passed through a hole, thus proving that it was a missile and not a plane, when your own link says that won't happen.


Dear oh dear. CTs are so great at keeping their stories straight, aren't they? :D

Dave Rogers 29th January 2020 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Itchy Boy (Post 12969575)
I see my work is done here. Mission Accomplished.

It's nice to see a frank admission that you have no interest in actually achieving anything, and were only ever trying to provoke a response. Fortunately, this is one of only a very few remaining places where that still works. The world, as a whole, doesn't care what you think.

Dave

Robin 29th January 2020 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 12970330)
It would have been so much easier for the cabal to rig four airliners to lock the cockpit door, gas the pilots, and have four drone pilots remotely control the four airliners and fly them into the buildings. This way, they would wrap up all the loose ends.







- no need to position "crisis videographers"!







- no need to fake any videos







- no need to disappear the planes!



And this thing about the building being empty. Did the companies who are tenants of the buildings tell their employees to stay home that day, but to pretend they had been in the office?



- no need to have the building empty, any survivors who saw the plane hit will testify to it!

Or, as someone suggested, easier to pose as a lieutenant of Bin Laden and recruit a few fanatics, teach them just enough about flying and get them to hijack some planes using box cutters. No loose ends.

Jack by the hedge 29th January 2020 04:06 AM

Do you imagine there was a secret plotting meeting, in a hollowed-out volcano naturally, between the US government and its evil co-conspirators (Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, goodness knows who else) where they thrashed out the question of why not just use planes?

And do you suppose when they got to the bit about the purpose of the whole thing being to create an excuse to blast the crap out of Iraq, anyone (maybe the Iraqis) said why frame a bunch of Saudis and no Iraqis then?

It would have been fascinating to be a fly on the wall.

Robin 29th January 2020 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge (Post 12970390)
Do you imagine there was a secret plotting meeting, in a hollowed-out volcano naturally, between the US government and its evil co-conspirators (Russia, China, Iran, Iraq, goodness knows who else) where they thrashed out the question of why not just use planes?



And do you suppose when they got to the bit about the purpose of the whole thing being to create an excuse to blast the crap out of Iraq, anyone (maybe the Iraqis) said why frame a bunch of Saudis and no Iraqis then?



It would have been fascinating to be a fly on the wall.

I expect someone was going to bring that up, but was afraid of being dropped into the swimming pool full of piranha.

Jack by the hedge 29th January 2020 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin (Post 12970397)
I expect someone was going to bring that up, but was afraid of being dropped into the swimming pool full of piranha.

That's been my go-to mental image for some time: I asked Agent Yankee451 long ago to explain how he'd persuade Dr Evil to fund his incredibly convoluted plot instead of just crashing some frickin' planes.

Even sideshow operations like discovering and suppressing every photograph or video anyone took within several miles of the crashes would involve an impossible number of henchmen and then you'd need a secondary operation to suppress reporting of that one. Just the travel expenses for that, let alone the catering, would be unbelievably expensive compared to, you know, just crashing some frickin' planes.



But none of that matters when a piece of bent cladding looks a bit suspicious to yankee451.

Cosmic Yak 29th January 2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by smartcooky (Post 12970347)
Dear oh dear. CTs are so great at keeping their stories straight, aren't they? :D

Yankee451 has accidentally destroyed his entire theory here. I'm surprised that you are the only one to pick up on this so far.
I'm not surprised that he ran away, though. Must be rather embarrassing. :D

JSanderO 29th January 2020 06:13 AM

He came, he saw, he was conquered. But he can't see that.

Belz... 29th January 2020 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Itchy Boy (Post 12962858)
Can you present any proof that the impact videos are real?

Yes: they were filmed with cameras, which tend to capture reality. Several videos were made by several people, with a great number of eyewitnesses to the actual crashes whose recollections match the videos.

Your turn.

yankee451 29th January 2020 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by curious cat (Post 12970346)
Welcome back! I was worried we've lost you forever! (Well, not really :-)). Finally the master again, surely able to fix the mess his apprentice made!

No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

Robin 29th January 2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

Sure he did yankee, sure he did.

bknight 29th January 2020 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

What by presenting no evidence only idle speculation, much the same as you do.

The Common Potato 29th January 2020 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

The sad thing is that you probably believe he did.

BStrong 29th January 2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970256)
Oh yes. Lots of squirming laughing.

FIFY.

Jack by the hedge 29th January 2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JSanderO (Post 12970438)
He came, he saw, he was conquered. But he can't see that.

The thread was altered using a mask layer which makes his arguments look bad.

Hellbound 29th January 2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.



“I’ve cut your arm off!”

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Regnad Kcin 29th January 2020 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

”Mincemeat.” What are you, a Tom and Jerry cartoon?

Cosmic Yak 29th January 2020 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

Meanwhile, you continue to ignore this:

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12967974)
This is a great example of how so many CT-ists are so desperate to refute any and all questioning of their pet theories that they forget what they were actually arguing for.
yankee451: You said there were holes big enough for a missile to pass through. I noticed that a 14-inch-wide missile could not pass through a 14-inch-wide hole without getting jammed.
You responded with a link explaining how a missile would not need a hole, because it could blast its own way through.
You are therefore arguing against yourself, and also inadvertently destroying your whole theory.
Please highlight the 'clean exit hole' your own link says the missile would make, and then explain why you have been arguing that a missile passed through a hole, thus proving that it was a missile and not a plane, when your own link says that won't happen.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12970341)
Great to have you back, yankee451.
Now you're here, perhaps you could address this:

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12970435)
Yankee451 has accidentally destroyed his entire theory here. I'm surprised that you are the only one to pick up on this so far.
I'm not surprised that he ran away, though. Must be rather embarrassing. :D

You have, with your own links and information, proven your theory false. Are you going to at least acknowledge it?

beachnut 29th January 2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

Not so, you are a master at making the worse video analysis, and it starts with the great tripod scandal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gpr...ature=youtu.be

Love the use of fictional movies to make your analysis dumber.

TJM 29th January 2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

:hug8

Poor Steve, losing a special buddy is always tough but buck up lad. There'll be other lunatics. Maybe you should meet up with rubygray in the Pentagon thread. She's a no-planer with theories just as bat **** insane as yours. You two would make a wonderful pair!

Leftus 29th January 2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

Your right. We should all turn in our Skeptic cards for not believing the "official story" because it comes from "them" and accept the version from randoms who insist that "they" used missile technology that doesn't exist now or then, real time video editors that didn't exist then and may not now, plus had the time to get dozens to thousands of shills in the proper place as well as generate the thousands of fake identities and back stories of the supposed dead. And gain the co-operation of our rivals on the world stage. All to accomplish goals they could have done an order of magnitude easier without this ruse, it's so obvious now.

Belz... 29th January 2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12970527)
No masters or apprentices here. I assume you're referring to the way Itchy Boy has made mincemeat out of the so called Skeptics.

By claiming that actual planes didn't exist despite the overwhelming evidence?

What, were there no one in NYC that morning except paid actors? I get that you get a kick out of imagining fictional scenarios but that doesn't make mincemeat out of reality.

jimbob 29th January 2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Itchy Boy (Post 12966164)
Off topic but it needs to be said.

You folk will argue that 400,000 people would have had to be in on the Apollo hoax. but you can't explain why, for example, the ladies sewing the suits, or any other subcontractors would have to be in on it. They didn't. They were making real stuff that they believed would take men to the moon and back.

Not even the guys in the control room at their consoles had to be in on it. They had no way to differentiate between one of their countless simulations and the real thing. Only the guys feeding the data to those consoles would have to be in on it.
Yet, desspite pointing this out, believers continue to make the same argument.dd

Keeping up the derail - how in the FSM's name did the conspirators in NASA supposedly manage to convince the Soviet Union to take part in the conspiracy?

Leftus 29th January 2020 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12970881)
Keeping up the derail - how in the FSM's name did the conspirators in NASA supposedly manage to convince the Soviet Union to take part in the conspiracy?

Well, they were planning on faking their own landing too.

bknight 29th January 2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12970881)
Keeping up the derail - how in the FSM's name did the conspirators in NASA supposedly manage to convince the Soviet Union to take part in the conspiracy?

A bit too late, but he probably wouldn't have an answer.

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Originally Posted by Itchy Boy (Post 12969575)
I see my work is done here. Mission Accomplished. As much as I'd like to take credit, all the credit has to go to beachnut and curious_cat for their resourcefulness.
Don't worry about the egg on your face. Though the yolk's on you, it will slide off soon enough. Best wishes to all here...farewell my friends.


Wowbagger 29th January 2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12938558)
  1. Rehearse the handful of perspectives of flight 175 that will be broadcast live.

This would require the conspirators to trust their entire operation to many, many people in the broadcasting industry, across many different competing news departments. Why would they want to be that stupid?!

bknight 29th January 2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wowbagger (Post 12970931)
This would require the conspirators to trust their entire operation to many, many people in the broadcasting industry, across many different competing news departments. Why would they want to be that stupid?!

In addition if what yankee believes, why hasn't one of those conspirators leaked the truth of their directives and CGIs in 18+ years

Leftus 29th January 2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bknight (Post 12970936)
In addition if what yankee believes, why hasn't one of those conspirators leaked the truth of their directives and CGIs in 18+ years

They signed NDAs

bknight 29th January 2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 12970967)
They signed NDAs

People sign them all the time and still spill the beans.

Wowbagger 29th January 2020 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 12970967)
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Originally Posted by bknight (Post 12970936)
In addition if what yankee believes, why hasn't one of those conspirators leaked the truth of their directives and CGIs in 18+ years

They signed NDAs

Sure, it's possible. But, why would they risk everything on the signing of a bunch papers, like that?!

Leftus 29th January 2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wowbagger (Post 12970989)
Sure, it's possible. But, why would they risk everything on the signing of a bunch papers, like that?!

Sorry, just trying to come up with something dumber than the proposition.

Leftus 29th January 2020 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bknight (Post 12970987)
People sign them all the time and still spill the beans.

These were iron clad NDA's. As advanced as the computers in the early 2000's able to render in real time fake, but photo realistic airliners hitting a tower.

Or were they holographic NDA's?

yankee451 29th January 2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wowbagger (Post 12970931)
This would require the conspirators to trust their entire operation to many, many people in the broadcasting industry, across many different competing news departments. Why would they want to be that stupid?!

Well, your incredulity doesn't change the damage evidence. What if what you think of as competing news departments are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the military, as the evidence you're avoiding suggests.

BStrong 29th January 2020 01:27 PM

What happoens in the Real World when you have a plan with too many moving parts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

Fuel consumption calculations showed that the extra 90 minutes idling on the ground had made fuel critical for one of the EC-130s. When it became clear that only six helicopters would arrive at Desert One, Kyle had authorized the EC-130s to transfer 1,000 US gallons (3,800 L) from the bladders to their own main fuel tanks, but Republic 4 had already expended all of its bladder fuel refueling three of the helicopters and had none to transfer. To make it to the air tanker refueling track without running out of fuel, it had to leave immediately, and was already loaded with part of the Delta team. In addition, RH-53 Bluebeard 4 needed additional fuel, requiring it be moved to the opposite side of the road.[citation needed]

To accomplish both actions, Bluebeard 3 had to be moved from directly behind the EC-130. The aircraft could not be moved by ground taxi and had to be moved by hover taxi (flying a short distance at low speed and altitude).[21][Note 4] A USAF Combat Controller attempted to direct the maneuver from in front of the aircraft, but was blasted by desert sand churned up by the rotor. As the Controller attempted to back away, Bluebeard 3's pilot perceived he was drifting backward (engulfed in a dust cloud, the pilot only had the Controller as a point of reference) and thus attempted to "correct" this situation by applying forward stick in order to maintain the same distance from the rearward moving marshaller. The RH-53 struck the EC-130's vertical stabilizer with its main rotor and crashed into the EC-130's wing root.[22]

In the ensuing explosion and fire, eight servicemen died: five of fourteen USAF aircrew in the EC-130, and three of the five USMC aircrew in the RH-53, with only the helicopter's pilot and co-pilot (both badly burned) surviving.[Note 5] During the frantic evacuation to the EC-130s by the helicopter crews, attempts were made to retrieve their classified mission documents and destroy the aircraft. The helicopter crews boarded the EC-130s. Five RH-53 aircraft were left behind mostly intact, some damaged by shrapnel. Bluebeards 2 and 8 now serve with the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy. EC-130E Republic 5 which returned successfully, was retired by the USAF in June 2013 and is now on display at the Carolinas Aviation Museum.[23]

yankee451 29th January 2020 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BStrong (Post 12971007)
What happoens in the Real World when you have a plan with too many moving parts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

Fuel consumption calculations showed that the extra 90 minutes idling on the ground had made fuel critical for one of the EC-130s. When it became clear that only six helicopters would arrive at Desert One, Kyle had authorized the EC-130s to transfer 1,000 US gallons (3,800 L) from the bladders to their own main fuel tanks, but Republic 4 had already expended all of its bladder fuel refueling three of the helicopters and had none to transfer. To make it to the air tanker refueling track without running out of fuel, it had to leave immediately, and was already loaded with part of the Delta team. In addition, RH-53 Bluebeard 4 needed additional fuel, requiring it be moved to the opposite side of the road.[citation needed]

To accomplish both actions, Bluebeard 3 had to be moved from directly behind the EC-130. The aircraft could not be moved by ground taxi and had to be moved by hover taxi (flying a short distance at low speed and altitude).[21][Note 4] A USAF Combat Controller attempted to direct the maneuver from in front of the aircraft, but was blasted by desert sand churned up by the rotor. As the Controller attempted to back away, Bluebeard 3's pilot perceived he was drifting backward (engulfed in a dust cloud, the pilot only had the Controller as a point of reference) and thus attempted to "correct" this situation by applying forward stick in order to maintain the same distance from the rearward moving marshaller. The RH-53 struck the EC-130's vertical stabilizer with its main rotor and crashed into the EC-130's wing root.[22]

In the ensuing explosion and fire, eight servicemen died: five of fourteen USAF aircrew in the EC-130, and three of the five USMC aircrew in the RH-53, with only the helicopter's pilot and co-pilot (both badly burned) surviving.[Note 5] During the frantic evacuation to the EC-130s by the helicopter crews, attempts were made to retrieve their classified mission documents and destroy the aircraft. The helicopter crews boarded the EC-130s. Five RH-53 aircraft were left behind mostly intact, some damaged by shrapnel. Bluebeards 2 and 8 now serve with the Islamic Republic of Iran Navy. EC-130E Republic 5 which returned successfully, was retired by the USAF in June 2013 and is now on display at the Carolinas Aviation Museum.[23]

With compartmentalization, very few people would know the whole story. That's the way the military works. Remember the Manhattan project?

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The Manhattan Project involved more than 600,000 people, including city planners, soldiers, construction workers, technicians, craftsmen, clerks, secretaries, teachers, doctors, and some of the brightest scientific minds of the time. Miles of America were cleared of farms and residences so that entire new cities could be built. Oak Ridge, Tennessee; Los Alamos, New Mexico; and Hanford, Washington sprung up and became full-fledged communities seemingly overnight, with schools and Boy Scout troops and weekend dances for the thousands of people who flocked to the jobs the cities offered—all without officially existing on any map. The project was both massive and top secret. Among the thousands of men and women who worked on it, only a relative handful knew what they were trying to achieve. Security was so tight that knowledge of the project was even kept from Vice President Harry S. Truman.
https://savingplaces.org/stories/sec...istorical-park

Leftus 29th January 2020 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971032)
With compartmentalization, very few people would know the whole story. That's the way the military works. Remember the Manhattan project?

Which branch did you serve with? And to what rank? MOS?

Or does your knowledge of how the military works come from the same place your understanding of missile technology?

yankee451 29th January 2020 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Leftus (Post 12971043)
Which branch did you serve with? And to what rank? MOS?

Or does your knowledge of how the military works come from the same place your understanding of missile technology?

I don't claim to be an expert at anything. Never been in the military. Furthermore, I am not the subject here.

beachnut 29th January 2020 01:53 PM

projection again + no clue what evidence is
 
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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971001)
Well, your incredulity

Projection - you are the master of it, along with trump, and both are CTers, and paranoid.

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971001)
doesn't change the damage evidence.

Damage evidnece of a 767 flying fast. You can't comprehend the kinetic energy impact and earn the meme award, again.

https://i.imgflip.com/3n4p9r.jpg

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971001)
What if what you think of as competing news departments are nothing more than the propaganda arm of the military,

Paranoia.

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971001)
as the evidence you're avoiding suggests.

Not sure you know what evidence is, as you make up nonsense like missiles and this post due to a paranoid imagination spreading dumb lies.

Then you mention The Manhattan Project, and how did Russia get the bomb? oops, and we used it, and knew about the project - thus it did not remain a secret. Plus during the war hundreds of leaks of the project were made. Darn, you can't make a valid argument if you tried.

Look at your failed analysis starting with the BS of a tripod, and then the fictional movie stuff. There are some insane or clueless people who like your work, the comments are evidence of ignorance on earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gpr...ature=youtu.be
Failed analysis - might want to take this down, it is not nice to make up lies about 9/11

bknight 29th January 2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by yankee451 (Post 12971032)
With compartmentalization, very few people would know the whole story. That's the way the military works. Remember the Manhattan project?


https://savingplaces.org/stories/sec...istorical-park

Declassified just like your phantasy belief of the "missiles" into the WTC that no one picked up on radar, no one saw, nor no one filmed crashing into the buildings. That didn't happen, but two planes did crash into the buildings and the evidence fits with an airplane crash, your uneducated untrained eyesight can't recognize the proof.


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