Um, not so much. The vast majority of this kind of thinking comes from the far right, not the left.

I promise you that the police agencies in DC are not friendly with The Proud Boys or any other white nationalists.

DC Police are special, unique in the region. MD and VA are another story.

Depends. In Prince Georges and Montgomery County the police are more like those in DC. Alexandria/Arlington police won't go be sympathetic to white nationalist. You're right though as you get farther south and west of DC. Being a white nationalist north of DC, getting into the Baltimore metro area would be assisted suicide. Baltimore cops don't discriminate; they'll kill anyone.

And it has started:


https://eu.freep.com/story/news/loca...ia/5921409002/

Milita group planned to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, according to the FBI.
Six people arrested.

I think I ran into some difficulties into every county in MD, mostly traffic-related, and VA was a no-go zone. WVA, back in the day, was actually nicer. If you can believe it, back when it was National Airport and you could drive right up to a traffic circle at the main terminal, I use to practice spin and skid control when it rained or snowed. Place was entirely closed, or almost so, at night, so nobody around. Think I saw local security doing the same thing more than once. But the DC-MD line... ah, one of legend, with the Park Police thrown in for good measure. In DC the only real thing was not getting hit with a mega parking ticket, OMG.:eye-poppi

Heck of a lot less traffic then. Maybe less than half, especially at night.

ETA: Favorite all-time encounter with Park Police was going up Capital Hill driving a Tourmobile. Damn things had busted engines and could barely crawl up, so you had to be bold when the traffic light in the middle turned yellow, and pray. Not that there was any meaningful traffic coming up that side street. Rookie new on the job pulled me over for no license plates (we had none), running the light, and so on. Real hot day, real hot. Swamp-humid, as the Mall can get. Eighty passengers suddenly with no breeze through the side windows, no AC, and pissed off at the cop. Black guy. I sympathized because I knew the powers that be would wave a wand when he called it in, so I wasn't all that upset. Got a lesson in how midwesterners can whisper racist curses as they disembarked... at the Capital Building. Hoooweee! ... Man was my narrator that day hot, too, as I recall, and my age. Good times.

Then there were the female tourists and free-lance narrators looking for one-night cowboys... Cushy job, pre-AIDS. Paradise, I believe they call it. Paid for my Masters at Georgetown.

(Detroit News) - The FBI thwarted what they described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday.

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/new...er/5922301002/


Trump tweeted om 17th April
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

Quite a distinction between the left and right. The left riots for the equal treatment of black people and their right not to be murdered by police.

The right wants to kidnap and overthrow democratically elected government because they have to wear masks during a pandemic.

It's no contest. Left wing groups that take illegal direct action usually do not have the goal of murdering people. ALF might sabotage a farm or break into a lab, but they aren't going to walk into a church and gun down people based on their race.

Right wingers are the #1 domestic terror threat in this country and have been for decades.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states

The ELF was left wing and little better than organized arsonists. the fact they never killed anyone was more luck than intent. They were domestic terrorists by definition, and were funded in part by the ALF and PETA.

Individual right wing gunmen have killed more people than years of total combined attacks by the left. It's quite clear where the most dangerous terrorists come from, and it's from radicalized right.

Not supported by facts or evidence. This, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, suggests the lack of deaths is entirely due to intent:

Biased source either way, They were leftist and they engaged in violent acts of terror regardless, it was due to luck.

Yeah if you think 2+2=a potato a textbook that says "2+2=4" is a biased source to you.

"Bias" is the most basic bedrock need for living in a post-fact world. Nobody is allowed to tell you that you are wrong because them disagreeing with you makes them "biased."

If 'dozens of terrorist acts' all end in no deaths out of sheer luck, then I want to go to Vegas and gamble with these guys cuz, lord a mighty, they got the luck o' the Irish.

Whitmer: "Our head of state has spent the past 7 months denying science, ignoring his own health experts, stoking distrust, fomenting anger, & giving comfort to those who spread fear ... just last week, POTUS stood before the people and refused to condemn white supremacists."

Jason Miller (Trump campaign) reacts: "If we want to talk about hatred, then Gov. Whitmer, go look in the mirror! The fact that she wakes up every day with such hatred in her heart towards President Trump"

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...684572674?s=19

What an idiot. He should remember that old adage "It's better to be suspected a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Hardly the same. But let's grant you your point. Now condemn this plan to engage in violent acts of terror and armed sedition against Whitmer in equal terms, adding the severity the "step up" in targets deserves.

If it was purely down to luck only, then statistics would suggest some accidental killings or maiming.

In the end, though, results count for something. Leftists haven't killed, whereas rightists have.

Which form or terrorism would you prefer? Lefties blessed with the good luck to avoid casualties, or righties that are competent at killing?

SO terrorism is OK if the left does it?
That seems to be the belief of a lot of people here.

Even at face value (which we're nowhere near with arguments from Right) "I'm going to be violent to make the world a better place" and "I'm going to be violent to keep the world a worse place" are not morally equal.

And which is Right? Is the Left a bunch of snowflakes who need safe spaces or violent unhinged revolutionaries?

I fail to see how you came to that conclusion based on what's been said here. No one said it's OK. It's certainly not mine.

ETA: Please identify those you think hold that belief.

Th eones basically makiing excuses for the ELF. if they hasve not killed somebody iy id putr luvk. That might not be t heir aim, but the methods they use certainly have the high potential of killing people.

Governor Whitmer's statement:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mi...?ocid=msedgntp

13 members of two militias charged.

More from the governor: Trump complicit.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/go...?ocid=msedgdhp

Nancy Pelosi is saying she will talk about the 25th Amendment tomorrow. She's giving fuel to the militia movement, imho.

I wonder what inspires people to try and kill her?

Yes, ELF would be more dangerous if they were more dangerous. :rolleyes:

It’s like you listened to Pence’s swine flu argument last night and didn’t realize it was moronic.

Voting Trump out will fuel the militia movement....

This doesn't mean we shouldn't vote the MF out.

And they’ve been so well-behaved up until now.

I think I see your problem. By stating the fact that no one has been killed in the dozens of act of terrorism enacted by ELF which suggest intent rather than luck, you infer that means we think the acts themselves are OK. Um...no.

Of course their methods have the potential to kill people. But so far they haven't. That is not something you can say about the right wing acts of terrorism.

I think we're at the stage where Trump needs to be assessed by a mental health team whether he agrees to it or not.

You highlight a reason why many find much to criticize on either end of this spectrum. "being violent" unnecessarily makes the world a worse place all by itself.

Oh pishtosh, balderdash, hogwash, and other assorted old timey swear words.

People punching you in the face always want to lecture you about "your" violence whenever you punch them back.

We didn't stop the Nazis by "using our words." Black people didn't stop being property because of a "civil debate among equals."

Can't get that government boot off our necks without blowing up a few federal buildings then, I guess.

Well tell you what when that happens we'll have a nice, deep conversation about with all the hair splitting and pettifogging and forced obtuseness and false equivalency your little heart desires.

But as it stands now it's the government's boot that has people planning to kidnap and assassination governors in order to protect it so.... *makes scurry off gesture*

From your lips to Pelosi's ears

This kind of thing will trigger Trump even more, making him say even more unhinged things.

In other words, it's Friday in murica.

Funny, I consider "Governors" to be part of the government. Something to do with spelling, I suppose.