FBI Warns of Right-Wing Mass Destruction Terrorism
 

https://www.thenation.com/article/po...cist-boogaloo/

From the memo:

and they may have police help in pulling them off.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...macists-police

If you're liberal and aren't armed, you need to make friends with ones who are.

Sure! Because adding more guns to a gun problem is guaranteed to make it better.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...il-war/616473/

"If you want peace, prepare for war."- Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus

No fascist aggressor was ever stopped by laws, treaties, or negotiation.

The problem isn't too many guns, it's who has them and who doesn't.

Just what we need: more testosterone fueled guys who think they're heroes with guns and God on their side who get their training from playing video games and acting like a bunch of beer swilling, camouflage wearing, flag waving idiots on weekends.

You mean like the Founding Fathers? Like the Union Army under Lincoln? The WW II generation?

I tell ya what. When we have an army being shipped by the thousands into our states, being billeted in our houses, and sent against us to enforce laws we had no say in passing, or states seceding and attacking our military, then we'll talk. Until then, you're just fomenting violence and behaving no differently than the Proud Boys. Same mentality. Get a grip.

CP -- I urge you to put aside your fantasies for one short month, and channel your energy into getting out the vote. You could write postcards -- crowd source meets pandemic.

Sounds like it would be a bit late to talk by then.

Cuz it ain't happening. It's just more scare mongering by Imma gonna git me a gun and hunker down cuz theyz cummin fer us crap.

we already do. they work for ICE, CBP, DHS, the prison systems, etc and they were deployed all across the US this year in sanitized uniforms to beat protesters, kidnap people off the streets to inject them with drugs and violate their civil rights. Meanwhile, their compatriots rum concentration camps where women have their uteruses ripped out by unqualified doctors.

You assume our electoral process is secure. It isn't and hasn't been since 2000. As long as Republicans count the elections and control the voting machines, they will throw any close election to their guy.

The pills actually help if you take them.

Can I assume this is a parody account, or do some Americans actually think stupid stuff like this?

*sigh* My brother.

So your suggestion is for us to buy guns, form our own little armies and attack ICE, CBP, DHS, the prisons, etc? Do I have that right? I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

Some Americans actually think stupid stuff like this but they're usually called Trump supporters.

Nah, it's been true the entire time. Main problem is that the far right that actually tries to act usually consist of bungling oafs that snitch on themselves to the FBI, small groups that promptly stab one another in the back, and so forth. Most of the rest are puppies yapping at whatever frightens them.

But let's not pretend we haven't seen a bunch of mass shootings, intimidation rallies, pipe bombs sent out, and the like, often with the open approval of local police - and often operating in areas where the cops have a long history of aiding violent far right nuts.

They also weren't stopped by a well-armed but otherwise poorly organised and trained populace.

Last time they were stopped by the Red Army. Should we just decide to wait for those guys agan?

People who have these violent fantasy scenarios always imagine themselves as the hero who survives everything and everyone else is the victim.

The smart play is when the election is called and it's a Biden victory, stay home. Don't go out to counter protest the Trumptrash. Trump will want to exploit the violence in the streets. That can't happen is no one shows up. Besides if Biden wins, what's to protest?

As to the gun thing, if you're in Portland, Oregon who could you possibly shoot that would have an impact on the transfer of power? What good does it do you? The transfer of power will happen in Washington DC and no amount of violence anywhere else will have an impact on that. So relax, the Police in Washington DC aren't the police in Kenosha. Have an armed, open carry protest here and your brains are will be wall art.

Finally, if I'm the voice of reason, there's a ******* problem here.

Bull-****. Lots of internal fascist aggressors have been stopped with application of the laws. You're not talking about an external fascist state attacking us, you're talking about an internal insurrection. Law enforcement stops those all the time. The fact that the FBI issued a report on the topic likely means that stopping these groups through enforcing the law is sort of what they have in mind.

Agreed. Appeasement does not work at all; rather, it is a big come-on.
True as well, but this relies on internal law enforcement being uncompromised, and increasingly it seems local police are indeed so, as well as the effects of whatever erosion in the due diligence and credentials of the Justice Department/FBI/judicial system/SCOTUS that has taken place, i.e., everything Trump et al have been "fixing" full time, full swing, full bore, like good mobsters.

I do not, however, believe guns to be the solution. If there is a goon takeover, it will be game over in short order for the stock market and US ability to influence the world. Most likely short term outcome is a shift to a new world currency, or a basket thereof, as former allies beat a very hasty retreat, especially from the US-dominated international banking system. Yet oddly, and as is their custom, when those with the real money decide the goons they've been financing are a greater threat to their interests than would be a return to a tax-and-spend society, they will beat a partial retreat. The first to jump ship from the far-rightward push may be the wealthy Jewish supporters of today's GOP, who are beginning to see the big "oops" that partnering with fascists is (the Trump to "Cruz Missile" threat). High tech and advanced industry in this day and age need global markets, far more than they did last century, and will always push back enough to counter protectionism, so there's that as well.

When things are in the balance, it is the balance of powerful interests that will call the shots, barring insurrection. The latter is not worth it, I would argue, as the chain reaction from a Trump win/takeover will automatically align world events greatly against US interests and provoke an internal backlash of critical support for the rule of law. Or so one hopes.

Civil war, FWIW, would be far worse.

RE: FBI Warns of Right-Wing Mass Destruction Terrorism
 

Well, it looks like some white supremacists got away with it again. Some white racist frat boys from Wisconsin attacked Althea Bernstein, a biracial woman, because they are all racist and stuff.

"A biracial Wisconsin woman who says a group of white men set her on fire while she was driving wants her attackers to know they hurt her but hopes they will improve themselves.

Althea Bernstein told ABC’s “Good Morning America” for a Friday segment that she hasn’t slept and doesn’t have an appetite. But she called the attack in the state’s capital city of Madison."

Even after Good Morning America and the Duchess of Sussex, Meghan Markle, bring attention to the attack those racist frat boys remain elusive. Is Haven Monahan still at large? Unfortunately, it looks like those racist frat boys will remain free to terrorize other biracial people.

Coincidentally, on the same night and almost at the same time, there was a mostly peaceful protest going on in Madison, Wisconsin. This mostly peaceful protest included fire-bombing a Madison government building. Now I'm sure an all-American girl like Althea Bernstein wouldn't have been involved in this mostly peaceful arson attack. You see she just happened to be near the event, she was not participating in the event.

"The firebombing was part of a larger Black Lives Matter protest in which protesters tore down two statues on the Capitol Square, including one of a Union Civil War soldier and abolitionist. The protest had started in response to the arrest hours before of a local Black Lives Matter activist now facing state and federal charges for allegedly trying to extort money from at least one Downtown business."

NO! Those statues of a Union soldier and an abolitionist were obviously torn down by the same racist confederates who attacked a biracial woman.

I like to think that if Trump steals the election, so many people will passionately oppose that we will take to the street -- strategically and peacefully. We can shut down the country if there's enough of us.

Every major airport, seaport, rail line, and every city block that has a Trump property. No democracy, no commerce.

Unfortunately for the forces of fascism and theocracy, Trump has already made it completely impossible for the opposition to trust a Trump outcome. It would be funny, in a most demented way, if he were to win "legitimately". Scare quotes due to unknowability. A most uncomfortable future awaits you no matter the election outcome. Tough luck.

I hope it's not neccesary. We need to be patient and not freak out on Nov 4.

If a peaceful resolution to all this is possible it's obviously preferred. I don't think anyone here actually wants violence. The difference is that some here feel that the belief that everything is just going to work out via non-violent means is naive. There have been a hundred times where people kept thinking this time, this thing, it will break the camels back and the Democrats or the FBI or whoever will finally stop the fascists' march to authoritarianism. How's that been working out?

If the trend of ICE/DHS/Border Patrol/Police/Right Wing Militias escalating violence and fascism continues (and why would you assume otherwise given what we've seen), then why isn't being prepared to counteract that, through force if needed, a prudent action?

What else do you expect to stop them when they decide to go full SS for Trump?

True, those were around before Trump and they support Trump.

Fantasies of Red Dawn are just that: fantasies. This is the real world.

haha

I think you're right. These guys are no real threat to take over, but they can cause a lot of trouble, even if they are about as likely to shoot themselves in the feet as they are to shoot somebody else.

Don't know if this is the best thread to post this in, but All Gas No Brakes just released a video from a Proud Boys Rally in Portland, OR. What a bunch of ******* wankers. Dangerous wankers.

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I AGREE

In the real world, fascists are murdering and kidnapping people in the streets and their leader occupies the White House.

You've convinced me. What would you suggest? An AK 47, an AR 15, or maybe a Bushmaster for a beginner like me? Something I don't have to really aim since I'm not a trained shooter. Something I can just point and spray bullets and do a lot of damage. Or maybe hand grenades? Nah. I'll just see if I can get a tank. I've got a three car garage I can fit one into. Do they have camouflage outfits in pink?

They have the combined IQ of a slug. And I'm insulting slugs.

I don't think you should get a gun. I just think you should think about what you are going to do if it all kicks off.

Yup, he's a symptom, not a cause.

But, well, how should I put this? Even with his raving about "poll watchers" making sure everyone is legal (another long-running GOP strategy), there's a reason why these guys pick marginal areas, and never show up in, say, the Bronx, the South Side, and other such areas. Same reason why white nationalists shoot up bible study groups or folks out shopping.

Simply put, they know if they show up in a heavy nonwhite area, particularly a urban black area, it's them against a 2+ hour long line of black people who are already on a mission, and they're going to get their dumb asses beat.

Um no.

It tends to come from both sides in the US.

Odd old place the US

Could happen. Seems most every cop in the nation is friendly to the Proud Boys and envy the freedom to pound liberals at will. In the case of the goons taking over, Russia, Turkey, Poland, Hungary, the Saudis and Bolsonaro's Brazil, plus a few more, will cheer. Not a strong enough alliance of strategic interests, as this excludes both the EU and China. More of a losers club.

Whatever happens, it will be a very close call between private interests and the public interest. Will the 0.1% go for Hitler 2.0?

I dunno, they just tried that stunt in Philadelphia (hence the "bad things happen" line from Trump). Mind you, they did so at the City Hall location which is probably more racially balanced than say, North Philadelphia.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...nd-disruptive/

I expect there may be a lot of yahoos from out of town trying to do stunts by driving their jacked-up picks by minority neighborhood polling places and yelling insults and threats. But yeah, I expect that they won't slow their trucks down for anything for fear of a beat-down.

Um, not so much. The vast majority of this kind of thinking comes from the far right, not the left.

I promise you that the police agencies in DC are not friendly with The Proud Boys or any other white nationalists.

DC Police are special, unique in the region. MD and VA are another story.

Depends. In Prince Georges and Montgomery County the police are more like those in DC. Alexandria/Arlington police won't go be sympathetic to white nationalist. You're right though as you get farther south and west of DC. Being a white nationalist north of DC, getting into the Baltimore metro area would be assisted suicide. Baltimore cops don't discriminate; they'll kill anyone.

And it has started:


https://eu.freep.com/story/news/loca...ia/5921409002/

Milita group planned to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, according to the FBI.
Six people arrested.

I think I ran into some difficulties into every county in MD, mostly traffic-related, and VA was a no-go zone. WVA, back in the day, was actually nicer. If you can believe it, back when it was National Airport and you could drive right up to a traffic circle at the main terminal, I use to practice spin and skid control when it rained or snowed. Place was entirely closed, or almost so, at night, so nobody around. Think I saw local security doing the same thing more than once. But the DC-MD line... ah, one of legend, with the Park Police thrown in for good measure. In DC the only real thing was not getting hit with a mega parking ticket, OMG.:eye-poppi

Heck of a lot less traffic then. Maybe less than half, especially at night.

ETA: Favorite all-time encounter with Park Police was going up Capital Hill driving a Tourmobile. Damn things had busted engines and could barely crawl up, so you had to be bold when the traffic light in the middle turned yellow, and pray. Not that there was any meaningful traffic coming up that side street. Rookie new on the job pulled me over for no license plates (we had none), running the light, and so on. Real hot day, real hot. Swamp-humid, as the Mall can get. Eighty passengers suddenly with no breeze through the side windows, no AC, and pissed off at the cop. Black guy. I sympathized because I knew the powers that be would wave a wand when he called it in, so I wasn't all that upset. Got a lesson in how midwesterners can whisper racist curses as they disembarked... at the Capital Building. Hoooweee! ... Man was my narrator that day hot, too, as I recall, and my age. Good times.

Then there were the female tourists and free-lance narrators looking for one-night cowboys... Cushy job, pre-AIDS. Paradise, I believe they call it. Paid for my Masters at Georgetown.

(Detroit News) - The FBI thwarted what they described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday.

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/new...er/5922301002/


Trump tweeted om 17th April
LIBERATE MICHIGAN!

Quite a distinction between the left and right. The left riots for the equal treatment of black people and their right not to be murdered by police.

The right wants to kidnap and overthrow democratically elected government because they have to wear masks during a pandemic.

It's no contest. Left wing groups that take illegal direct action usually do not have the goal of murdering people. ALF might sabotage a farm or break into a lab, but they aren't going to walk into a church and gun down people based on their race.

Right wingers are the #1 domestic terror threat in this country and have been for decades.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escala...-united-states

The ELF was left wing and little better than organized arsonists. the fact they never killed anyone was more luck than intent. They were domestic terrorists by definition, and were funded in part by the ALF and PETA.