The MANDELA Effect.
I am sure anyone reading this is aware of the 'Mandela effect'.
I think it is real. But i do not think it is real in the way people say that it is. This is what I think it is, when you distill down all of the explanations: The effect of a perception of history that is at odds with the persons present. No one can deny that this is experienced by many people in differing degrees. The recent up-spike in this effect, IMO, is down to one thing. Information saturation. We have the same capacity minds as our ancestors. But the information we take in in our lifetimes or per year has been rising exponentially since around victorian times. As with all exponential things, we are now processing more information (via media and internet etc) than the last generation by magnitudes. We are each now processing more information this year than last year. And so it continues. I think we are approaching a breaking point. The Mandela Effects people report are the first glimpse of this. Our minds are beginning to take in more information than they can cope with and something has to give Our minds, being unable to cope, are shelving a lot of information about the past, or saving it 'compressed', and instead relying on re-creating many details and memories of history on the fly, and occasionally getting these details wrong. This is the real Mandela Effect IMO, and if I am right, as information consumption only grows, instances of it will increase in the population. And the severity of these instances will increase until it potentially becomes a real problem for society. |
I see no merit in this, Just people mis-remembering things.
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I went to look for "Mandela effect" on Wikipedia and it goes straight to Confabulation.
esspee, please give your own detailed definition or link to one. What do you mean by Mandela Effect? |
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Other notable examples are people remembering Jaws girlfriend in Moonraker ( a bond film) as having braces. I'll go check for some decent links, or a decent video. There are many many really stupid videos about it, as it has become somewhat of a conspiracy meme. Popular explanations range from 'timeline shifts' to ' government mind control experiments using subliminal techniques in media to alter memories' to "parallel worlds" You name it, lots of crazy explanations abound. I will see if i can find a good introduction video that is not just plain stupid. |
Okay - this seems like a reasonably sober overview video.
Its an interesting topic if you like conspiracy theories and paranomal type stuff. i find all of the different explanations fascinating. It says something about how people think if nothing else I hope you enjoyed my personal explanation for it in my OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6x0ErYV1tE |
I'll help Esspee, A common example people use is the Berenstain Bears books, They insist the books used to be spelled Berenstein.
However this and others are as previously stated confabulation, In the case of film Mandela effects often there are alternate versions that contribute to this. |
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Or is it just that because of social media more people are talking about it and have given it a name? What do you think about my theory that it is on the increase, and that is due to the sheer amount of data/info we take in in modern life? |
I refuse to watch a video (take no offense esspee). I want a detailed written definition of the Mandela Effect.
Does a definition exist that can be linked to? |
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I guess the problem is there are so many explanations. examples of some common ones i have not mentioned : Cern LHC Dream Telepathy An invented meme to distract the masses and lead them into confusion etc etc. i will see if i can find a good and simple link to explain it concisely |
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This is, by my standards, safe and somewhat informative and I suspect the founder of the feast has seen it: https://www.buzzfeed.com/perpetua/ma...xk#.gbdE2la6bB
It should not take long to see why I think that. |
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Go to the David Icke site and you will find that the reptilians are engaged in a struggle with the aid of the pleiadians to control earth in spite of the nordics. It's all fantasy baloney. Really, nobody in their right mind should entertain such nonsense for a moment, but it gets really entertaining when the inevitable woo fights break out. My imaginary alien trumps your imaginary alien is a discussion which must be seen to be believed. Truth be told, I am most tempted to place some of our incumbents in each other's paths just to see what happens. |
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Okay - could not find a good short one. here is a good long one instead https://www.exposingtruth.com/lookin...andela-effect/ Essentially it defies tight definition, as the explanations of it are very diverse. Its a meme that has been around for a while, but in the last few months has really taken off. Its kind of like the flat earth idea. Not to be a hipster, but that theory was doing the rounds on the down low online a good few years agoe, and i read up about it in great detail. Then recently it just took hold in a big way online. This Mandela effect thing is similar - in that it has been bubbling away for a good few years, but lately has exploded. At least on youtube it has anyway. |
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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-mandela-effect In short, a bunch of people remembered that Nelson Mandela died in prison. Since their memories are factually incorrect, and rather than admit they are wrong, it's clear and convincing evidence that they are recalling events that took place in an alternate universe. |
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Rather than question their own perception, many people invent or subscribe to some very far fetched and out there concepts. People do not like to feel lost, it is human nature, any lifeboat will do in some cases. But its not just parallel universes given as expanation for the Mandela Effect . Proof of the Matrix, Reincarnation, these and many others are alternative explanations that it seems are favourable to admitting ones perception is faulty - I believe because to do so is quite scary for most people, if not all people. |
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Mandela Effect: You think you are correct about something but you are wrong.
Also, you may guess about something thinking that your guess is correct but you are wrong. Is that a definition? |
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But it can be a very unsettling and disorienting experience. |
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What is special about this topic? |
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p.s did you also notice is a mostly USA Canada and UK thing? Unlike say "Flat Earth" which is spread over much more countries |
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Those who support the Mandela Effect do not entertain the thought that their memory is incorrect. |
In the one article I read, from a link you provided, the conclusion is sadly missing the obvious explanation.
The pop examples he uses, like "Luke, I am your father" and "Mirror Mirror on the wall" do not come from necessarily faulty memories, but from altering our memories based on constant repetition. The wrong lines have been so often cited that they become the memory. The fallibility of memory has been tested and pretty definitely proven. "Play it again, Sam" was mis-quoted so often that there's even a movie title by that name, and thousands of celebrity imitators repeated it over several decades. How many decades ago did one see "Snow White"? As opposed to how many times per decade did one see someone mis-quoting the line from the movie? |
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It does seem to be a phenomenon of the english speaking christian world. Could it be rampant in, say, China? I have no idea. |
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Scroll down to regional interest part. then compare it with ' flat earth' regional interest part. https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=flat%20earth |
It doesn't help that there are entire industries designed to change people's memories.
And There is no shortage of examples. I heard of a guy who is convinced that US television showed US Muslims celebrating the destruction of the WTC in 2001. Nothing can shake him of that belief. And as for information speed and the variety of media used today, I shudder to think what Marshall McLuhan would say if he were resurrected to witness 2016. Has Alvin Toeffler been commenting on what kind of things are happening today? I came across the phrase "data smog" while reading up on topics related to this thread, I like it. |
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Just look how much twitter alone has ********** the world up! |
This thread has suddenly transported me back to the sixties
At least I think it did. |
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Numbers like that suggest a commonality of cause - the confabulation is not random, but rather some particular thing or event is likely responsible for causing so many people to mis-remember a particular historical fact in a particular way. Obviously we're talking about something quite mundane here and I'm sure that a serious and motivated investigation of any instance of the "Mandela Effect" could likely uncover the causes or reasonable explanations of that particular instance. My (perhaps incorrect) understanding is, whoever originally put forward the theory of people having "swapped realities at some point" to explain this phenomenon had done so with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but then the internet happened. |
I think the question is whether the effect is getting worse due to Information overload. Can our brains accurately store this much information, or does a lot of it get jumbled together, or is it just because there is so much misinformation in the media and on the Internet?
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For those who want to watch a video, here is the League of Nerds take on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAffZAJlviI Skeptics with a K has also discussed this, but not sure which episode it was... |
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Skeptics with a K episode 155 |
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Never heard of the Mandela Effect. From its description, the mis-remembering of things has been around forever and some clown has simply rebadged such mis-remembering.
Much ado about nothing. |
Perhaps people remember the name Berenstein because it's more common than Berenstain, so the latter somehow doesn't look right. For decades I was convinced that the actress Miriam Margolyes' surname was Margoyles.
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