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Squeegee Beckenheim 6th August 2020 04:45 AM

https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/1290678910770765825

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I hate to disagree with the official position of the president of the United States, but I, for one, do not wish child sex traffickers well.

Darat 6th August 2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13181441)

But he is the President and it would be wrong for him to repeat allegations or even worse comment on whether anyone is guilty or innocent before a trial!

Ampulla of Vater 10th August 2020 06:14 PM

Today is the one year anniversary of Epstein not killing himself!

Axxman300 9th October 2020 01:18 PM

This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics..._medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:

Matthew Best 9th October 2020 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 13253005)
This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics..._medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:

That was fascinating, so thanks for posting it.

I particularly enjoyed this bit:

"To call Epstein a grifter is to assume he circumvented some genuine meritocratic world order, where the “real” virtuosos dutifully climb the “real” ranks into the oligarchy, powered by nothing but their native talents.

The truth is that the elite world that Epstein ascended into, the one I tapped into by way of the black book, is populated with hordes of loathsome, boring, untalented people living their bumbling, idiotic lives while just so happening to wield some share of the preposterous global bounty that he and the rest were after. For all the mystery surrounding Epstein’s fortune, its existence is hardly more inscrutable than the wealth of any of his other billionaire peers. He earned it the same way they all did, which is to say precisely not at all."

Gord_in_Toronto 9th October 2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 13253005)
This is a long, well written article:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics..._medium=social

This is probably the best character and historical profile of Epstein I've read. Many of the how and why questions are answered, or at least solidly hinted at. The author made calls to people in Epstein's black book and many talked to him. An interesting cross section of financial people, models, actresses, and artists.

As will all things Epstein this is a complicated piece.

Check it out.:thumbsup:

A very interesting read. I liked the caution:
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I have been aggressively counseled to remind the readers of Mother Jones that an appearance in the address book is not evidence of any crime, or of complicity in any crime, or of knowledge of any crime.
And I suppose you could add "or attended a party or flew on a plane". Though I'm not sure how far one can go with this. ;)

SuburbanTurkey 18th December 2020 06:09 AM

Jean-Luc Brunel arrested in France.

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A French former model agent accused of procuring underage girls for the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was detained by French police Wednesday at Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport as he attempted to leave the country. Prosecution sources confirm to CBS News that Jean-Luc Brunel is now being questioned by Paris police and could face a range of sex charges.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey...leged-victims/

arthwollipot 21st April 2021 06:32 PM

Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion demolished to erase reminder of crimes

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Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach mansion is being demolished in the hopes of cleansing the area of his crimes.

The waterfront property was purchased by a real estate developer for a reported $US18 million ($23 million).

Florida-based developer, Todd Michael Glaser, said it would be personally satisfying to tear the property down and build a new mansion in its place.

'Palm Beach is going to be very happy that it's gone,' he said.

Gord_in_Toronto 21st April 2021 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13460779)

Can we get someone to sprinkle some Holy Water on the ruins as well? Can't be too careful.

Trebuchet 21st April 2021 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13460779)

Mar A Lago next, please.

quadraginta 22nd April 2021 02:50 PM

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I wonder what the real reason was.

Babbylonian 22nd April 2021 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13461612)
I wonder what the real reason was.

Because they didn't think it will sell. Building a new mansion will attract younger wealthy pedophiles.

Checkmite 22nd April 2021 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13461612)
I wonder what the real reason was.

I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.

casebro 22nd April 2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 13461740)
I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.

I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.

arthwollipot 22nd April 2021 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 13461740)
I think IS the real reason. It's a common practice known as "house flipping"; the property is bought by a speculator for a price far below its nominal value because there is something "wrong" with it - in most cases it's something for more mundane, like the house being too old and in obvious disrepair, out-of-code to a costly degree, or the yard being visibly trashed or poorly drained, etc, but while less common, it's not unprecedented for "the problem" to be a property's connect to a notorious crime. The speculator does whatever they need to do to "fix" the problem (building a completely new house on the property in this case) and then puts the house back on the market, gambling that the increase in the property's value will outweigh the cost of the repair enough to pay a profit.

I think it's pretty much exactly the same thing as when people don't want to live in a "haunted" house, or wear a murderer's sweater.

theprestige 22nd April 2021 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by casebro (Post 13461768)
I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.

I'm pretty sure nobody in the market to buy a mansion wants to buy the mansion of Notorious Pedophile Pimp Jeffrey Epstein. Don't let your cynicism get in the way of your common sense.

bruto 22nd April 2021 07:48 PM

I tend to agree. I've seen places go to ruin for connection with crimes much less notorious than this. People don't want to live in a place that they feel is haunted or has a bad history, and this one is notorious enough that others will always make the connection even if the buyers can live with it. Aside from the comments about creepiness and questions about it all, and the "how could you" stuff, I can imagine that having guests joking about looking for the bathroom and accidentally stumbling on the dungeon, or asking where you keep the adrenochrome, etc. could wear pretty thin.

Bob001 22nd April 2021 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by casebro (Post 13461768)
I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.

14,000 sq. feet is pretty substantial, but some press reports say it's smaller than the properties around it. I'm sure the value is mostly the land, not the building.

And in this picture, it looks like they saved the pool and the pool house.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/jeffre...en-demolished/

Checkmite 22nd April 2021 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bruto (Post 13461796)
I tend to agree. I've seen places go to ruin for connection with crimes much less notorious than this. People don't want to live in a place that they feel is haunted or has a bad history, and this one is notorious enough that others will always make the connection even if the buyers can live with it. Aside from the comments about creepiness and questions about it all, and the "how could you" stuff, I can imagine that having guests joking about looking for the bathroom and accidentally stumbling on the dungeon, or asking where you keep the adrenochrome, etc. could wear pretty thin.

I'm reminded of the eventual fate of notorious Cleveland serial killer Anthony Sowell's house, after the case finished and he was sentenced to prison. The entire neighborhood agitated for the city to take possession of the house and demolish it, which they eventually did - the lot is now a cared-for memorial garden dedicated to Sowell's victims. But even the couple of houses adjacent to Sowell's were never able to find buyers when their owners died or moved on; so there's like two or three just empty, contiguous grass lots in addition to the garden where Sowell's used to be.

It's not that people were afraid of "hauntings" or any such thing; such was the nature of the crimes that had taken place there that the house's very existence became a painful affront to the community.

Armitage72 23rd April 2021 05:35 AM

On NCIS, one of the agents lived in a fancy home that was significantly above his pay grade. It was eventually revealed that he had investigated a murder in that home years earlier in which a man had killed his wife and stuffed her body under the floor. Nobody would buy the home, so he was able to get it for a song, and he didn't mind its history since he had been involved in catching the killer. He used a piano to cover the faint discoloration on the floor where the blood stains had been removed.

Bob001 23rd April 2021 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Checkmite (Post 13461880)
I'm reminded of the eventual fate of notorious Cleveland serial killer Anthony Sowell's house, after the case finished and he was sentenced to prison.
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Hadn't heard of that one. It sounds like another notorious case where cops had plenty of notice that something terrible was going on, and just didn't care.
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The victims who escaped recounted how Sowell transformed into a monster. Some spoke of police officers who didn’t believe their harrowing stories.
https://www.cleveland.com/crime/2019...al-killer.html

quadraginta 23rd April 2021 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by casebro (Post 13461768)
I suspect 6bed/7baths is not much of a mansion. Sure, tear it down, put up a palatial residence of double the size. Make money. "Eraseing the reminder" has little to do with the profit except for lowering the purchase price.


This seems more like it.

If they razed every house in Palm Beach where underaged girls were molested by creepy rich guys, there probably wouldn't be very many places left standing.

Thermal 25th April 2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13462873)
This seems more like it.

If they razed every house in Palm Beach where underaged girls were molested by creepy rich guys, there probably wouldn't be very many places left standing.

Yeah, but the notoriety of this one will have a lasting stigma. It will always be Epstein's Place, no matter the new haircut it gets.

theprestige 25th April 2021 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13462873)
If they razed every house in Palm Beach where underaged girls were molested by creepy rich guys, there probably wouldn't be very many places left standing.

Which is why, instead, they just raze houses where their extreme notoriety (for whatever reason) makes it difficult to sell as-is.

Thermal 25th April 2021 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 13461805)
14,000 sq. feet is pretty substantial, but some press reports say it's smaller than the properties around it. I'm sure the value is mostly the land, not the building.

And in this picture, it looks like they saved the pool and the pool house.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/22/jeffre...en-demolished/

The excavator is still on-site in the pic. It's possible that they had to clear out the house to be able to access the pool/house area to nuke that out too.


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