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eeyore1954 28th December 2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12935693)
Trump is the first Republican I can ever recall even mentioning it. My experience is they could care less about it. It's kind of like healthcare, but worse. They have no desire to spend money on it. They'd rather have tax cuts.if they do talk about them, its because they're an eyesore or they don't like being panhandled.

You weren’t paying attention. https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/29/opini...ess/index.html
In 2002, Bush appointed a new national homeless policy czar, Philip Mangano. A former music agent imbued with the religious philosophy of St. Francis of Assisi, Mangano was seized by an idea pioneered by New York University psychiatrist Sam Tsemberis: "housing first."
The "housing first" concept urges authorities to concentrate resources on the hardest cases -- to move them into housing immediately -- and only to worry about the other problems of the homeless after they first have a roof over their heads.

Or

After many years of advocacy and numerous revisions, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the McKinney–Vento Homeless Assistance Act in 1987; this remains the only piece of federal legislation that allocates funding to the direct service of homeless people.

They may not have done all that you would like but they not only talked they did some positive things.

Aridas 28th December 2019 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12936758)
Tom Fitton is head of Judicial Watch. I sincerely doubt Trump reads that twitter feed, but one of his abject flunkies does...Miller?

This is just a piss-weak attempt at provocation, plus a dig at John McCain's legacy again. Reptile can't help himself.

Given how often Trump's retweeted Judicial Watch, I would be surprised if he didn't pay attention to it.

To poke at things, though...

Trump Violates Whistleblower Protection Laws with Retweet of a Suspicious (Fake?) Twitter Shill

Yet another open violation of the law.

Journalist David Cay Johnston: Why Trump tax cut is really a tax increase with interest.

Really short version - a lot of corporations made out like bandits. To the point where, for example,

Quote:

The sectors with the lowest effective corporate tax rates in 2018 were industrial machinery (-0.6%), utilities, gas and electric (-0.5 percent)
Gotta love paying companies to profit off of us.

Also, things are looking bad in India.

Hevneren 28th December 2019 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12936758)
Tom Fitton is head of Judicial Watch. I sincerely doubt Trump reads that twitter feed, but one of his abject flunkies does...Miller?

This is just a piss-weak attempt at provocation, plus a dig at John McCain's legacy again. Reptile can't help himself.

Time for a cadaver synod!

acbytesla 28th December 2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 (Post 12936786)
You weren’t paying attention. https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/29/opini...ess/index.html
In 2002, Bush appointed a new national homeless policy czar, Philip Mangano. A former music agent imbued with the religious philosophy of St. Francis of Assisi, Mangano was seized by an idea pioneered by New York University psychiatrist Sam Tsemberis: "housing first."
The "housing first" concept urges authorities to concentrate resources on the hardest cases -- to move them into housing immediately -- and only to worry about the other problems of the homeless after they first have a roof over their heads.

Or

After many years of advocacy and numerous revisions, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the McKinney–Vento Homeless Assistance Act in 1987; this remains the only piece of federal legislation that allocates funding to the direct service of homeless people.

They may not have done all that you would like but they not only talked they did some positive things.

The McKinney Vento Act or HR 558 had little Republican support. 43 Republicans voted for it. 113 voted against it. As opposed to 221 Democrats to 8 voting against it. It also was a grant act where States could opt out. Guess which ones opted out? It also was the result of horse trading which included more military funding that Ronnie wanted. It's not like the homeless was a priority for the GOP. I never hear Republican candidates give speeches focused on solving homelessness.

I'd love to see the GOP give it the attention it deserves.

Skeptic Ginger 28th December 2019 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12936589)
Trump Tweets

California and New York must do something about their TREMENDOUS Homeless problems. They are setting records! If their Governors can’t handle the situation, which they should be able to do very easily, they must call and “politely” ask for help. Would be so easy with competence!

I'm surprised he didn't tell them to come kiss his feet.

Skeptic Ginger 28th December 2019 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tero (Post 12936621)
His "they can't do anything" attitude will be his downfall. The impeachment is good to get over with, as after that he will feel like he is untouchable. He will do worse things than Ukraine. Then we get to impeach him again right before the election. :D

Especially the way McConnell is clearly telling him this is true.

Captain_Swoop 28th December 2019 06:39 PM

Trump Tweets

Crazy Nancy Pelosi should spend more time in her her decaying city and less time on the Impeachment Hoax!

Norman Alexander 28th December 2019 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Hevneren (Post 12936861)
Time for a cadaver synod!

PLEASE don't give the ****-head ideas.

Norman Alexander 28th December 2019 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12936960)
Trump Tweets

Crazy Nancy Pelosi should spend more time in her her decaying city and less time on the Impeachment Hoax!

Looks like he has a list of these tweets already written so they can be hosed out to the faithful like pseudo-papal favours.

JoeMorgue 28th December 2019 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hevneren (Post 12936861)
Time for a cadaver synod!

The Onion: Poll Finds 54% Of Americans Approve Executing Trump But Leaving Him In Office

Quote:

“While nearly all survey participants agreed the president should be executed in a highly public setting, only a minority thinks he should receive a proper burial, with more than half stating that the deceased commander-in-chief should be allowed to complete his four-year term.”
https://politics.theonion.com/poll-f...but-1840514848

SezMe 28th December 2019 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12936541)
Trump Tweets

Now that wasn’t very nice, was it?

Tom Fitton
@TomFitton
John McCain tried to destroy @realDonaldTrump with false accusations of treason by spreading the garbage Clinton- DNC Dossier. https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status...69374176739328

Gee, whatever happened to the Steele Dossier? :rolleyes:

SezMe 28th December 2019 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 (Post 12936786)
After many years of advocacy and numerous revisions, President Ronald Reagan signed into law the McKinney–Vento Homeless Assistance Act in 1987; this remains the only piece of federal legislation that allocates funding to the direct service of homeless people.

That's a good program; credit where credit is due. At least the demonstration programs had good outcomes. I wonder how it is working now.

Aridas 28th December 2019 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SezMe (Post 12936978)
That's a good program; credit where credit is due. At least the demonstration programs had good outcomes. I wonder how it is working now.

*points at acbytesla's post*

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Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12936876)
The McKinney Vento Act or HR 558 had little Republican support. 43 Republicans voted for it. 113 voted against it. As opposed to 221 Democrats to 8 voting against it. It also was a grant act where States could opt out. Guess which ones opted out? It also was the result of horse trading which included more military funding that Ronnie wanted. It's not like the homeless was a priority for the GOP. I never hear Republican candidates give speeches focused on solving homelessness.

I'd love to see the GOP give it the attention it deserves.

Indeed. Credit should go where it's due.

eeyore1954 28th December 2019 08:42 PM

“The homeless face difficult and sometimes seemingly overwhelming obstacles in getting back on their feet,
Quote:

Originally Posted by acbytesla (Post 12936876)
The McKinney Vento Act or HR 558 had little Republican support. 43 Republicans voted for it. 113 voted against it. As opposed to 221 Democrats to 8 voting against it. It also was a grant act where States could opt out. Guess which ones opted out? It also was the result of horse trading which included more military funding that Ronnie wanted. It's not like the homeless was a priority for the GOP. I never hear Republican candidates give speeches focused on solving homelessness.

I'd love to see the GOP give it the attention it deserves.

But President Reagan did sign the bill.

Here is the first Bush on homelessness. Not a speech dedicated to homelessness but talking about it.
The homeless face difficult and sometimes seemingly overwhelming obstacles in getting back on their feet,” he said in that message

Skeptic Ginger 28th December 2019 08:55 PM

In addition to Trump's Tweets, was something about this interview posted?

Vanity Fair: TRUMP WORRIED UNSIGHTLY HOMELESS ARE HURTING PROPERTY VALUES
Quote:

According to the president, wealthy foreigners are livid about what the homeless are doing to their investments.

Earlier this month, the Washington Post reported that President Donald Trump had ordered White House officials to launch a massive effort to address homelessness in California, where the number of families living on the streets or lacking adequate housing has “skyrocketed.” At the time, the notion of a guy who’s made his preference for the wealthy abundantly clear expressing any sort of concern for people not rich enough to dodge taxes struck many as deeply uncharacteristic. A man who would sooner run over a homeless person with his golf cart than come face-to-face with one, burning rubber to get away as quickly as possible, suddenly caring about their plight? Really? They say a Brioni suit cannot changed its pinstripes, but maybe the president who famously refused to hire a “poor person” had experienced a come-to-Jesus moment in which he realized not everyone was born to a father wealthy enough to continually bail them out of their numerous ****-ups. Maybe he‘d even realized that his own actions, like making immigrants fearful of accessing federal assistance or aiming to slash health care for low-income Americans or pushing for cuts to public housing, had contributed to the problem.

Curious to know more, reporters asked the president about his sudden interest in addressing homelessness on Tuesday in California, where he told them that…yeah, he just doesn‘t like the sight of homeless people or what they’re doing to the values of real estate properties—especially those owned by foreign investors.

“We can’t let Los Angeles, San Francisco, and numerous other cities destroy themselves by allowing what’s happening,” Trump said aboard Air Force One, adding that the homelessness crisis is causing residents of those cities to leave the country.
“They can’t believe what’s happening. We have people living in our…best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings…where people in those buildings pay tremendous taxes, where they went to those locations because of the prestige,” he said, probably internally shuddering at the idea of homeless people crowding the entrance of Trump Tower. “In many cases they came from other countries and they moved to Los Angeles or they moved to San Francisco because of the prestige of the city, and all of a sudden they have tents. Hundreds and hundreds of tents and people living at the entrance to their office building. And they want to leave. And the people of San Francisco are fed up, and the people of Los Angeles are fed up.” During a speech at a Republican conference in Baltimore last week—a city that Trump has described as “a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess” where “no human being” would “want to live”—the president said that he had put California on “notice” to “clean it up,” adding, “These are our great American cities and they’re an embarrassment.” The president has also called the homeless situation in San Francisco “inappropriate” and the city “disgusting,” because his empathy runs deep.

TragicMonkey 28th December 2019 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12937021)
In addition to Trump's Tweets, was something about this interview posted?

Vanity Fair: TRUMP WORRIED UNSIGHTLY HOMELESS ARE HURTING PROPERTY VALUES

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where people in those buildings pay tremendous taxes, where they went to those locations because of the prestige
Trump knows theprestige!

thaiboxerken 28th December 2019 09:09 PM

He's shows so much compassion for theabout the homeless.

TragicMonkey 28th December 2019 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 12937032)
He's shows so much compassion for theabout the homeless.

Well, if he ends up helping the homeless isn't it a good thing in itself, regardless of the reasons he's doing it? I'd rather someone do something good for bad reasons than do nothing.

thaiboxerken 28th December 2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 12937035)
Well, if he ends up helping the homeless isn't it a good thing in itself, regardless of the reasons he's doing it? I'd rather someone do something good for bad reasons than do nothing.

That would nice, but I don't see it happening.

TragicMonkey 28th December 2019 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken (Post 12937044)
That would nice, but I don't see it happening.

You know how when a whale carcass hits the bottom of the ocean it feeds thousands and thousands of smaller creatures? Perhaps Trump could aspire to the moral height of a rotting whale carcass when it comes to performing good deeds: a benefit to many, despite it being done unwillingly, unconsciously, and in a thoroughly disgusting manner. Yes, I believe Trump's best chance at generating good karma is to emulate a rotting whale carcass. His legacy will be all the brighter once eels eat his eyes, which is something that can't be said for many people. I think that's a wonderfully positive way to look at it.

Aridas 28th December 2019 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 (Post 12937011)
“The homeless face difficult and sometimes seemingly overwhelming obstacles in getting back on their feet,

But President Reagan did sign the bill.

Here is the first Bush on homelessness. Not a speech dedicated to homelessness but talking about it.
The homeless face difficult and sometimes seemingly overwhelming obstacles in getting back on their feet,” he said in that message

Mmm. Those numbers mean that a supermajority in the House supported it. Looks like the Senate vote was even more lopsided.

Reagan not signing it wouldn't have stopped it, which dramatically minimizes credit due to him. Still, that he did sign it is worth some credit, as is that most of the Republicans in the Senate supported it (though with a much lower ratio than the Democratic support). Just nowhere even remotely close to as much as what the Democrats deserve for it. Credit where credit is due.

The large overall reduction of homelessness under the Bush Jr Administration is considered one of the successes of that administration. What's the cure for homelessness? A home, regardless of the reason for the homelessness. Potentially even a rent-free home. It's a pointedly liberal solution that did lots of good when it came to addressing the issue. I'm willing to give the Bush Administration credit for implementing it, either way.

alfaniner 28th December 2019 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12936960)
Trump Tweets

Crazy Nancy Pelosi should spend more time in her her decaying city and less time on the Impeachment Hoax!

Well, we know The PDJT can't be bothered to read. We sure as hell can't expect him to proofread.

a_unique_person 28th December 2019 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12937059)
Well, we know The PDJT can't be bothered to read. We sure as hell can't expect him to proofread.

If some one was going to proof read them they would stop many posts and also remove that indefinable Trump magic.

TragicMonkey 28th December 2019 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12937087)
If some one was going to proof read them they would stop many posts and also remove that indefinable Trump magic.

The covfefeness of a Tweet is where the quality is.

eta: Sorry, grammar. It should be "covfefeity".

PhantomWolf 28th December 2019 11:38 PM

Trump has managed to hit 15,413 misleading and false statements in the 4 years since taking office.

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And people didn't want to have Clinton as President because she was such a liar......

Skeptic Ginger 29th December 2019 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 12937031)
Trump knows theprestige!

:p

Skeptic Ginger 29th December 2019 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey (Post 12937035)
Well, if he ends up helping the homeless isn't it a good thing in itself, regardless of the reasons he's doing it? I'd rather someone do something good for bad reasons than do nothing.

Sounds like something Trump supporters would rationalize.

And how does tearing up their encampments help when they have no place to go?

Trump claiming they could use this building or that building is more crap. Unless you are suggesting they get locked up in FEMA camps? Reminds me of Barbara Bush saying, "they're underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them." re displaced Katrina victims staying in the Astrodome.

Snopes: True

TragicMonkey 29th December 2019 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12937125)
Sounds like something Trump supporters would rationalize.

And how does tearing up their encampments help when they have no place to go?

Trump claiming they could use this building or that building is more crap.


I said "if", and I was alluding to the providing housing option that had been mentioned as being tried earlier.


Quote:

Unless you are suggesting they get locked up in FEMA camps?
Of course not. What a stupid thing to say.

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Reminds me of Barbara Bush saying, "they're underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them." re displaced Katrina victims staying in the Astrodome.

Snopes: True
That seems unrelated to this.

Cavemonster 29th December 2019 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12936960)
Trump Tweets

Crazy Nancy Pelosi should spend more time in her her decaying city and less time on the Impeachment Hoax!

I've noticed a bizarre implication in a number of Trump tweets that members if Congress are responsible for the current state of their district and should be tending to it directly.

I'm not sure what mechanisms he's imagining. As far as I'm aware, members of Congress to not have any power or authority to create state, or local level policy. T

thaiboxerken 29th December 2019 01:03 AM

It doesn't matter what the facts are, Trump just wants to smear and attack Nancy Pelosi. He used the same tactic to smear Elijah Cummings as well. He failed, and I'm sure this attempt will fail too.

TragicMonkey 29th December 2019 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavemonster (Post 12937134)
I've noticed a bizarre implication in a number of Trump tweets that members if Congress are responsible for the current state of their district and should be tending to it directly.

I'm not sure what mechanisms he's imagining. As far as I'm aware, members of Congress to not have any power or authority to create state, or local level policy. T

Perhaps he thinks they're each CEOs of the companies that are their districts.

"Let's elect a businessman and run the country like a business!" I always thought that was an idiotic idea long before 2016 (I think I first heard it when Perot ran), but now we've seen it in action.

Captain_Swoop 29th December 2019 03:10 AM

So sad to see that New York City and State are falling apart. All they want to do is investigate to make me hate them even more than I should. Governor Cuomo has lost control, and lost his mind. Very bad for the homeless and all!

Captain_Swoop 29th December 2019 03:11 AM

Trump Tweets

A Dirty Cop at the highest level. Scum!

Adriana Cohen
@AdrianaCohen16
Comey's cabal going down
https://galesburg.com/opinion/201912...bal-going-down #Comey #FBI #SpyGate #FISAAbuses @realdonaldtrump #MAGA #KAG @greggjarrett @foxbusiness @BonginoReport #mapoli

Ladewig 29th December 2019 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12937159)
So sad to see that New York City and State are falling apart. All they want to do is investigate to make me hate them even more than I should. Governor Cuomo has lost control, and lost his mind. Very bad for the homeless and all!

This is getting scarier than I expected.

Norman Alexander 29th December 2019 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12937161)
Trump Tweets

A Dirty Cop at the highest level. Scum!

Adriana Cohen
@AdrianaCohen16
Comey's cabal going down
https://galesburg.com/opinion/201912...bal-going-down #Comey #FBI #SpyGate #FISAAbuses @realdonaldtrump #MAGA #KAG @greggjarrett @foxbusiness @BonginoReport #mapoli

Is he trying for a slander charge now?? Is this some sort of legal charge bingo he is playing?

ETA: That's a subscription-only website (of some obscure place in Illinois, from what I can gather). There is NO POSSIBLE FREAKIN' WAY that Trump would have searched for, found, subscribed to, read and understood that report all on his own. This is the work of a "research assistant" toiling away somewhere deep in the GOP salt mines, delivered up to be read to him to make his own inimitable comment on.

Random 29th December 2019 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger (Post 12937125)
Sounds like something Trump supporters would rationalize.

And how does tearing up their encampments help when they have no place to go?

Trump claiming they could use this building or that building is more crap. Unless you are suggesting they get locked up in FEMA camps? Reminds me of Barbara Bush saying, "they're underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them." re displaced Katrina victims staying in the Astrodome.

Snopes: True

Yeah. Trump doesn't see the problem as "People are homeless", he sees the problem as, "Homeless people are bringing down property values for rich people".

Ironically, wealthy foreign real estate investors are a significant source of rising housing costs. Rich people looking to park their money somewhere end up buying multi-million dollar condos, and don't even live in them. Just keep the property and hope rising housing prices will make it a valuable investment. Enough people do it, and housing prices will go up, even though there is not really an increased demand for housing.

timhau 29th December 2019 05:46 AM

Maybe Go-Golfing Donald should spend more time dealing with his dangerous country than whining on Twitter.

Captain_Swoop 29th December 2019 06:21 AM

Trump Tweets

Any answers Nancy?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Wow Crazy Nancy, what’s going on? This is big stuff! https://twitter.com/text88022/status...70523970850816

Ladewig 29th December 2019 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ladewig (Post 12937167)
This is getting scarier than I expected.

I meant the projection is becoming scarier.

Tero 29th December 2019 08:09 AM

Can't Trump just add homeless to ISIS tasks? Just deport them to Mexico, nobody will notice!


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