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Captain_Swoop 2nd January 2020 03:11 AM

Trump Tweets

Can’t believe @ATT keeps the management after yet another @CNN ratings dive. Nobody watching, NO CREDIBILITY! Maybe they should make changes at AT&T?


Heather Jones
@heatherjones333
#HappyNewYear2020 to Everyone but @CNN (Cause that would be futile)
RATINGS CRASH: CNN's Brian Stelter Just Fell To Embarrassing Low With Key Demo https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01...with-key-demo/

Squeegee Beckenheim 2nd January 2020 04:50 AM

So, remember Edward Gallagher - the SEAL who was charged with stabbing to death a child who lay in a hospital bed and convicted of posing for photographs with the corpse, who Trump then pardoned? Well, he's got his own clothing line now. This twitter thread highlights issues with that and the way it's being reported.

Tero 2nd January 2020 06:23 AM

Trump popularity got some kind of sympathy blip in December. It went up half a percent in December and the Nancy thing.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
but is on its way down to 42 again.

Captain_Swoop 2nd January 2020 10:31 AM

Trump Tweets

Sohrab Ahmari, New York Post “The Trump Campaign raised $10 million in the two days following the impeachment (Scam) vote. It seems the Democrats have shot themselves in the foot in one more way. They set up a process they know is not going to lead to the Presidents removal, &...

....it’s alienating independents. This President is being persecuted over three years with one investigation after another, and that really plays to his base.” @FoxNews @cvpayne
Their partisan Witch Hunt is hurting our Country do badly, & only bringing more division than ever!

Captain_Swoop 2nd January 2020 10:32 AM

Trump Tweets

A lot of very good people were taken down by a small group of Dirty (Filthy) Cops, politicians, government officials, and an investigation that was illegally started & that SPIED on my campaign. The Witch Hunt is sputtering badly, but still going on (Ukraine Hoax!). If this....

....had happened to a Presidential candidate, or President, who was a Democrat, everybody involved would long ago be in jail for treason (and more), and it would be considered the CRIME OF THE CENTURY, far bigger and more sinister than Watergate!

Segnosaur 2nd January 2020 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12940988)
Trump Tweets

A lot of very good people were taken down by a small group of Dirty (Filthy) Cops, politicians, government officials, and an investigation that was illegally started & that SPIED on my campaign.

Its been revealed that the FBI, far from having an 'anti-Trump' bias, actually had agents who actually supported the Republicans prior to (and shortly after) the 2016 election.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-...agents-2019-12

I wonder how those agents feel now, after years of constants attacks by Trump against the overall integrity of the FBI.

plague311 2nd January 2020 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12940994)
Its been revealed that the FBI, far from having an 'anti-Trump' bias, actually had agents who actually supported the Republicans prior to (and shortly after) the 2016 election.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-...agents-2019-12

I wonder how those agents feel now, after years of constants attacks by Trump against the overall integrity of the FBI.

If they're anything like other Trump supporters and Republicans, they probably feel exactly the same as before. After all, Trump isn't talking about THEM, he's talking about the OTHER ones.

Segnosaur 2nd January 2020 01:31 PM

Looks like Republicans are pushing hard to try to restrict abortion rights:

From: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...der-roe-v-wade
More than 200 members of Congress want the Supreme Court to “reconsider” the landmark abortion case Roe v. Wade....166 House Republicans and 39 Senate Republicans signed an amicus brief calling the right to an abortion “unworkable.”

Right now, the number of people who think abortion should be illegal in most/all cases is around 38%. So anti-abortionists are clearly in the minority. (Even a good chunk of Republican voters/Trump supporters want Abortion to remain legal.) I figure the last thing the republicans want is to actually have some success over this... much like their failed health care bill, if they win, they risk alienating not only the opposition, but a certain segment of their own voters who will be harmed as a result.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/...n-on-abortion/

quadraginta 2nd January 2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12940637)
Trump Tweets

Great job!

Trump War Room --- Text FIGHT to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
No lies about a video.
No lies about who was responsible for the attack.
No unanswered calls for help.
No dead Americans.
There will be no Benghazis on President Trump’s watch! https://twitter.com/lucasfoxnews/sta...82298960646147


What the hell is THAT about?

Somehow I suspect that sending such a text would end up getting an awful lot of GOP/Trumpista spam to your phone. No way I'm going to experiment with it, though.

Captain_Swoop 2nd January 2020 05:31 PM

Trump Junior Tweeted

Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
Why is this not at all surprising?

David Martosko
@dmartosko
Barack Obama welcomed Hadi al-Amiri to the Oval Office in 2011 as part of Iraq PM Nouri al-Maliki's delegation. On Tuesday Mike Pompeo named him, now a member of Iraq's parliament, as an "Iranian proxy" leader of the attack on the U.S. embassy in Baghdad. https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ite-House.html

Skeptic Ginger 2nd January 2020 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 12940666)
So, remember Edward Gallagher - the SEAL who was charged with stabbing to death a child who lay in a hospital bed and convicted of posing for photographs with the corpse, who Trump then pardoned? Well, he's got his own clothing line now. This twitter thread highlights issues with that and the way it's being reported.

So that's what that 'don't buy salty frog' message was about. I think I saw it on Twitter. I can't remember for sure where I saw it.

Skeptic Ginger 2nd January 2020 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12940994)
Its been revealed that the FBI, far from having an 'anti-Trump' bias, actually had agents who actually supported the Republicans prior to (and shortly after) the 2016 election.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-...agents-2019-12

I wonder how those agents feel now, after years of constants attacks by Trump against the overall integrity of the FBI.

They probably rationalize the same way Comey does.

pgwenthold 2nd January 2020 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12940994)
Its been revealed that the FBI, far from having an 'anti-Trump' bias, actually had agents who actually supported the Republicans prior to (and shortly after) the 2016 election.

My former brother-in-law just retired from the FBI, and it's true. Most of the agents he worked with were strongly anti-Hillary if not pro-Trump. I mean, they were "Bengazi" loony anti-Hillary, and he would mock them for it.

I was driving through Iowa over the holiday and saw a yard sign that proclaimed that both the CIA and the FBI were corrupt - vote republican!

I wondered the same thing as you - what do the rank-and-file agents think about these accusations that the bureau is corrupt? Support the police! But not the feds....

JoeMorgue 2nd January 2020 07:32 PM

Reports are coming in that a senior Iraqi military leader, General Qassem Suleimani has been killed although some sources are saying "Air strike" and others are saying "shelling" as the cause.

Tero 2nd January 2020 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Segnosaur (Post 12941152)
Looks like Republicans are pushing hard to try to restrict abortion rights:

From: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...der-roe-v-wade
More than 200 members of Congress want the Supreme Court to “reconsider” the landmark abortion case Roe v. Wade....166 House Republicans and 39 Senate Republicans signed an amicus brief calling the right to an abortion “unworkable.”

Right now, the number of people who think abortion should be illegal in most/all cases is around 38%. So anti-abortionists are clearly in the minority. (Even a good chunk of Republican voters/Trump supporters want Abortion to remain legal.) I figure the last thing the republicans want is to actually have some success over this... much like their failed health care bill, if they win, they risk alienating not only the opposition, but a certain segment of their own voters who will be harmed as a result.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/...n-on-abortion/

Aaand we have now EVERY REPUBLICAN who does not understand separation of powers. Just like Trump.

a_unique_person 2nd January 2020 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12940638)
Trump Tweets

Can’t believe @ATT keeps the management after yet another @CNN ratings dive. Nobody watching, NO CREDIBILITY! Maybe they should make changes at AT&T?


Heather Jones
@heatherjones333
#HappyNewYear2020 to Everyone but @CNN (Cause that would be futile)
RATINGS CRASH: CNN's Brian Stelter Just Fell To Embarrassing Low With Key Demo https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01...with-key-demo/

How PRESIDENTIAL. :)

Fast Eddie B 2nd January 2020 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 12941404)
Reports are coming in that a senior Iraqi military leader, General Qassem Suleimani has been killed although some sources are saying "Air strike" and others are saying "shelling" as the cause.

Not sure how the strike should be identified, but apparently the Defense Department just announced it was a targeted assassination by US forces.

a_unique_person 2nd January 2020 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 12941404)
Reports are coming in that a senior Iraqi military leader, General Qassem Suleimani has been killed although some sources are saying "Air strike" and others are saying "shelling" as the cause.

By am American airstrike.

"The head of an elite Iranian military unit has been killed in an apparent United States missile strike on Baghdad International Airport.

Iranian Major-General Qassem Soleimani, head of the elite Quds Force, and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were killed in the strike on their convoy, an Iraqi militia spokesman told the Reuters news agency."

TragicMonkey 2nd January 2020 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12941424)
How PRESIDENTIAL. :)

It could always be worse. It may get worse! Imagine:

Trump Tweets: "These JCPENNEY pants are THE WORST. Size 62 waist? LIES! I can't even get in them!"

Trump Tweets: "what is this floatign thing in m eye, i cant see it when i look at it moves away. CROOOKED PELOSI DID THE EYE THING! Traitor to AMERICA!!!"

Trump Tweets: "large pepperoni with cheesy crust, a large ham and sausage with cheesy crust, and can i have a pizza with chicken nuggets on it? Also six two liters of DIET COKE!"

Trump Tweets: "Siri what is magnificent narcism?"

Norman Alexander 2nd January 2020 08:04 PM

But Trump just tweeted that he was their bestest friend!

Safe-Keeper 2nd January 2020 08:37 PM

That sound you just heard was all the trumpkins who claimed to be terrified of "Killary" taking any kind of military action in the Middle East doing a frantic scramble to justify Trump taking action in the Middle East. That 180° about face is going to be tough to pull off.

Stacyhs 2nd January 2020 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 12941455)
That sound you just heard was all the trumpkins who claimed to be terrified of "Killary" taking any kind of military action in the Middle East doing a frantic scramble to justify Trump taking action in the Middle East. That 180° about face is going to be tough to pull off.

Nah. They can spin and justify just about anything.

Ladewig 2nd January 2020 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 12941455)
That sound you just heard was all the trumpkins who claimed to be terrified of "Killary" taking any kind of military action in the Middle East doing a frantic scramble to justify Trump taking action in the Middle East. That 180° about face is going to be tough to pull off.

Why is that going to be tough to pull off?

The last 3 years have been “ignore what I said yesterday; pay attention only to what I’m saying right now!

ETA
These are the guys who unashamedly said, “of course we would approve a SCOTUS nominee in the last few months of POTUS’s term.”

alfaniner 2nd January 2020 09:18 PM

The PDJT has no idea what he's just done.

Skeptic Ginger 2nd January 2020 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 12941456)
Nah. They can spin and justify just about anything.

ftfy

Steve 2nd January 2020 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12941467)
The PDJT has no idea what he's just done.

And how is that different from all the other things he has done?

Davidlpf 2nd January 2020 09:27 PM

Don't know how different but this could be bad, very bad. The Iranian is no match for the US military but others could join in. But just having a US president who goes around killing officials of other countries is bad a trend to start.

alfaniner 2nd January 2020 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 12941470)
And how is that different from all the other things he has done?

It's got people in other countries pissed off.

Powerful people. Dangerous people.

Davidlpf 2nd January 2020 09:37 PM

Well I am Canadian and I am not happy with this, we probably wont fight in anything that comes out of this but we might be targeted by some people. Trump is just an idiot, he never learned the rule, "Don't poke the bear."

Aridas 2nd January 2020 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 12940987)
Trump Tweets

Sohrab Ahmari, New York Post “The Trump Campaign raised $10 million in the two days following the impeachment (Scam) vote. It seems the Democrats have shot themselves in the foot in one more way. They set up a process they know is not going to lead to the Presidents removal, &...

....it’s alienating independents. This President is being persecuted over three years with one investigation after another, and that really plays to his base.” @FoxNews @cvpayne
Their partisan Witch Hunt is hurting our Country do badly, & only bringing more division than ever!

At last check, Democratic Party candidate fundraising is overwhelmingly higher, just divided. Bernie, alone, got about 3/4th's of Trump's haul.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper (Post 12941455)
That sound you just heard was all the trumpkins who claimed to be terrified of "Killary" taking any kind of military action in the Middle East doing a frantic scramble to justify Trump taking action in the Middle East. That 180° about face is going to be tough to pull off.

Meh. My reaction is simply **** Trump. Trump's almost certainly doing this to provoke backlash, with the expectation that Americans will rally behind him if there's actually a war. That, and as a distraction. Maybe also as an excuse to invoke emergency powers.

Skeptic Ginger 2nd January 2020 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 12941467)
The PDJT has no idea what he's just done.

When this sort of thing happened to Clinton the GOP went nuts whining about wagging the dog. It hampered Clinton who was in the process of going after Bin Laden.

Is Trump wagging the dog? Let's ask. When was the last American death in Iraq?

Turns out ~20 soldiers a year have died in Iraq under Trump's watch.

This statistic shows the number of U.S. soldier fatalities in the Iraq War

So was there something different this time like an insurgent attack?

Nope. Current Travel advisory, Iraq
Quote:

Do not travel to Iraq due to terrorism, kidnapping, and armed conflict.

U.S. citizens in Iraq are at high risk for violence and kidnapping. Numerous terrorist and insurgent groups are active in Iraq and regularly attack both Iraqi security forces and civilians. Anti-U.S. sectarian militias may also threaten U.S. citizens and Western companies throughout Iraq. Attacks by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) occur in many areas of the country, including Baghdad.
So why did Trump feel the need to bomb a few insurgents now after a single American contractor death?

:scorgi

Then there is the pissing off the locals by ignoring their deaths which while not necessarily part of the wagging the dog, this certainly heats up the tinder box. The Intercept (look at the data, not just the politics): Civilian Deaths in U.S. Wars Are Skyrocketing Under Trump.

LA Times: Column: Trump’s brand of war is killing more civilians than before

Ziggurat 2nd January 2020 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidlpf (Post 12941487)
Trump is just an idiot, he never learned the rule, "Don't poke the bear."

Or perhaps Trump is the bear, and he got poked.

Davidlpf 2nd January 2020 10:11 PM

There is also the fact Russia and China are allies to Iran.

If this turns out to be just a political ploy to get out of impeachment, or to get leader for life and make his family a dynasty I wouldn't be surprised.

Ziggurat 2nd January 2020 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidlpf (Post 12941502)
If this turns out to be just a political ploy to get out of impeachment,

It's possible that was part of the calculus, but it's unlikely to be the only reason.

Quote:

or to get leader for life and make his family a dynasty I wouldn't be surprised.
Yeah, no. Not a chance in hell. It's obvious that can't work, and Trump isn't actually stupid.

Davidlpf 2nd January 2020 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 12941507)



Yeah, no. Not a chance in hell. It's obvious that can't work, and Trump isn't actually stupid.

Haven't seen any evidence to counter act that he isn't stupid.

Steve 2nd January 2020 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 12941507)
It's possible that was part of the calculus, but it's unlikely to be the only reason.



Yeah, no. Not a chance in hell. It's obvious that can't work, and Trump isn't actually stupid.

Whoa there! Only his supporters with a lower IQ than him think that. His smarter supporters just find him to be a politically useful idiot.

Davidlpf 2nd January 2020 10:29 PM

Like Palin, she was only brought to get certain votes.

Ziggurat 2nd January 2020 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidlpf (Post 12941509)
Haven't seen any evidence to counter act that he isn't stupid.

Then you aren't paying attention.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve (Post 12941513)
Whoa there! Only his supporters with a lower IQ than him think that. His smarter supporters just find him to be a politically useful idiot.

When a successful person does something that looks stupid to you, you should consider the possibility that you don't understand what it is that they're doing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidlpf (Post 12941519)
Like Palin, she was only brought to get certain votes.

Trump wasn't brought. He barged his way in, when none of the party establishment wanted him. He beat out a crowd of Republican contenders, and then defeated Hillary when nobody thought he could.

Democratic strategists might call him stupid, but if they actually believe that, they'll lose to him again.

Norman Alexander 2nd January 2020 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggurat (Post 12941522)
Then you aren't paying attention.



When a successful person does something that looks stupid to you, you should consider the possibility that you don't understand what it is that they're doing.



Trump wasn't brought. He barged his way in, when none of the party establishment wanted him. He beat out a crowd of Republican contenders, and then defeated Hillary when nobody thought he could.

Democratic strategists might call him stupid, but if they actually believe that, they'll lose to him again.

*sigh* no he didn’t win it on his own. Stop trying to tell us how smart Trump is when clearly he isn’t. He cheated royally and had Putin’s help. Like he always has for years. On his own, he would never have been a candidate. He crashed casinos...how smart can THAT be?

Ziggurat 2nd January 2020 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12941524)
*sigh* no he didn’t win it on his own.

I didn't say he won it on his own. No one does. But he wasn't picked by the establishment. He isn't anyone's puppet, and certainly not Putin's. This is conspiratorial nonsense.


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