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angrysoba 8th May 2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Best (Post 13473650)
I took my daughter (who's 10) with me so she could see what voting was all about. She walked straight up to the person on the door checking our address and announced "I'm here to watch my dad vote and LEARN ABOUT DEMOCRACY!". He was very attentive (her autism makes her difficult to understand sometimes) and told her she was very welcome. She then gave the same speech to the ladies handing me my voting papers (I had four). She accompanied me to the voting booth and watched me stick crosses next to Labour four times. I had a spare vote for London Mayor (you get a first and second preference in that election) and she asked me to give that one to the Women's Equality Party as she liked their name, though she was also drawn to the name "Count Binface". I confess I was also tempted to give him my second vote just to make sure he beats Laurence Fox, but I acceded to her initial request.

There was no queue and we were in and out inside five minutes.

Sounds like voter intimidation to me. :p

J/K, good on her, and good on you. Shame that the Count didn't get his vote, especially since, like you, I hope he beats Lawrence Fox who is both stupid and vile.

angrysoba 8th May 2021 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13474398)
Reform UK leader Richard Tice on Talk Radio says he is opening a pub with actor Laurence Fox.

"It will be the home of free speech and right-wing comedy. It'll only be British food, no vaccine passports, no masks".

Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson? If not why not? (Oh well, Bernard Manning is dead right now, so I suppose that could be a problem). But seriously... "right-wing comedy"? You ring that dinner bell and just see what kind of clientele you end up with slobbering at your door.

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13474400)
Can't wait to enjoy a boiled turnip listening to the comedy stylings of Andrew Lawrence in the company of Richard Tice!

Never heard of him. I had to look this one up. Oh Geez! I at least found a new use for Incognito mode (I didn't want Google offering up more of that garbage on You Tube for me).

Again, the people who love to whine about snowflakes are really the ones who whine the longest and the shrillest.

P.J. Denyer 8th May 2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13474435)
Johnson will be unbearably smug after this. Is it possible to die of smugness? Smug overload syndrome?

It's definitely possible for other people to die from his smugness.

P.J. Denyer 8th May 2021 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13474444)
Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson? If not why not? (Oh well, Bernard Manning is dead right now, so I suppose that could be a problem). But seriously... "right-wing comedy"? You ring that dinner bell and just see what kind of clientele you end up with slobbering at your door.



Never heard of him. I had to look this one up. Oh Geez! I at least found a new use for Incognito mode (I didn't want Google offering up more of that garbage on You Tube for me).

Again, the people who love to whine about snowflakes are really the ones who whine the longest and the shrillest.


At this rate Geoff Norcott is going to be the busiest man in the entertainment industry.

Mojo 8th May 2021 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13472886)
Yeah. I do believe you're right there.

My preferred fate for Johnson would be something like solitary confinement somewhere like St Helena


He might need to redecorate: https://www.nature.com/articles/299626a0

Captain_Swoop 8th May 2021 02:28 PM

London Mayor election: Laurence Fox set to lose £10,000 deposit after failing to secure enough votes

Laurence Fox is among 16 mayoral candidates set to lose their £10,000 deposit.

Candidates have to achieve five per cent of first-preference votes to have the money returned.

Mr Fox, the actor and “anti-woke” campaigner, was only polling two per cent, despite a well-funded bid for City Hall.

In March, Mr Fox told the Standard that his campaign was being funded solely by the millionaire financier Jeremy Hosking, a former Tory donor who has also funded the Brexit party.

Other candidates set to lose their deposit include UKIP’s Peter Gammons, Piers Corbyn, YouTube prankster Niko Omilana and Count Binface.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...t-b933973.html

catsmate 8th May 2021 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13474645)
London Mayor election: Laurence Fox set to lose £10,000 deposit after failing to secure enough votes

Laurence Fox is among 16 mayoral candidates set to lose their £10,000 deposit.

Candidates have to achieve five per cent of first-preference votes to have the money returned.

Mr Fox, the actor and ďanti-wokeĒ campaigner, was only polling two per cent, despite a well-funded bid for City Hall.

In March, Mr Fox told the Standard that his campaign was being funded solely by the millionaire financier Jeremy Hosking, a former Tory donor who has also funded the Brexit party.

Other candidates set to lose their deposit include UKIPís Peter Gammons, Piers Corbyn, YouTube prankster Niko Omilana and Count Binface.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...t-b933973.html

It's a pity about the Count, he has some of the most sensible policies in modern local government,

Captain_Swoop 8th May 2021 03:33 PM

I’m hearing the Count has taken full responsibility for his poor showing, and has sacked his bin.

angrysoba 8th May 2021 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13474675)
It's a pity about the Count, he has some of the most sensible policies in modern local government,

Peter Gammons! I mentioned that before but isn't that a hilarious bit of nominative determinism. After all, he was running as candidate for ... UKIP?!?

Jesus, they really are behind the times. Do they not know that the UK has left the EU?

As for Lawrence Fox, look at this hilarious tweet. I can't believe this kind of cheeky banter didn't get him voted Mayor:

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Can they just announce that Iíve won already?

This dinner jacket is quite itchy and Iím worried about leaving the victory podium outside in case it rains.

I identify as mayor.

Is that not enough in the age of equity?

My lived experience is my victory.
Bwahahaha. Isn't he funny, everyone.

Captain_Swoop 8th May 2021 06:39 PM

Election results 2021: PM calls devolution summit after SNP victory

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has invited the leaders of the devolved nations to a summit on how "Team UK" can recover from the pandemic.

It follows the SNP's fourth Scottish Parliament election win in a row and Labour's win in the Welsh Parliament.

The SNP's Nicola Sturgeon said there was "no democratic justification" for blocking a Scottish independence vote.

But Mr Johnson said talk of "ripping our country apart" would be "irresponsible and reckless".

Writing in Saturday's Daily Telegraph earlier, Mr Johnson said "talking about ripping our country apart" with an independence referendum at a time when people wanted to recover from the coronavirus crisis would be "irresponsible and reckless".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57043758

dudalb 8th May 2021 08:28 PM

BOJo might be the last PM of the United Kingdom......

angrysoba 8th May 2021 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13474828)
BOJo might be the last PM of the United Kingdom......

I very much doubt it. What would the timetable for independence look like? First the legal wrangling over passing a bill for a referendum, setting the date, having the vote, and even in the event of Scotland leaving there will be a fairly long procedure for that.

David Cameron wasn't the last PM of a UK in the EU. There were two more after the UK voted leave.

Besides, that would take into account the speediest possible timeline and Johnson's obviously going to make sure that that won't happen.

dudalb 8th May 2021 08:47 PM

The real problems for Scotland might start after indpendence. long, Sad history of the party that headed the indepdence movement thinking that gave them the right to eternally be the Party in Power. The COngress Party in India is a good example.

angrysoba 8th May 2021 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13474836)
The real problems for Scotland might start after indpendence. long, Sad history of the party that headed the indepdence movement thinking that gave them the right to eternally be the Party in Power. The COngress Party in India is a good example.

What becomes of the SNP after independence is probably a trivial matter for those who want independence.

Mojo 8th May 2021 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13474833)
I very much doubt it. What would the timetable for independence look like? First the legal wrangling over passing a bill for a referendum, setting the date, having the vote, and even in the event of Scotland leaving there will be a fairly long procedure for that.


Also all the wrangling about who is going to pay for renovating the wall.

Architect 9th May 2021 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13474856)
Also all the wrangling about who is going to pay for renovating the wall.


And the bits of England we get with it, assuming the poor geography of Daily Mail readers is reflected at Westminster.

zooterkin 9th May 2021 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Architect (Post 13474912)
And the bits of England we get with it, assuming the poor geography of Daily Mail readers is reflected at Westminster.

He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13474424)
It will only serve bitter I suppose

In dirty glasses since they don't seem to believe in transmissible illnesses. God knows what they will put in the condom machines though one has to assume that the chances of anyone attending such a place having sexual intercourse to be fairly limited.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13474444)

Never heard of him. I had to look this one up. Oh Geez! I at least found a new use for Incognito mode (I didn't want Google offering up more of that garbage on You Tube for me).

Again, the people who love to whine about snowflakes are really the ones who whine the longest and the shrillest.

His entire schtick seems to be that he can't get work because he's right-wing. Rather than say because his idea of funny is to shout 'LEFT WING PEOPLE ARE STUPID SNOWFLAKES' repeatedly at an empty room.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13474833)
I very much doubt it. What would the timetable for independence look like? First the legal wrangling over passing a bill for a referendum, setting the date, having the vote, and even in the event of Scotland leaving there will be a fairly long procedure for that.

David Cameron wasn't the last PM of a UK in the EU. There were two more after the UK voted leave.

Besides, that would take into account the speediest possible timeline and Johnson's obviously going to make sure that that won't happen.

The goal for Indyref2 is 2023. I believe (and honestly nobody seems to really know least of all Nicola Sturgeon) the plan would be to just go ahead and do it and let the Tories try to block it in the courts.

The narrative is as expected that the SNP failed to get a majority (by 1 in a system designed NEVER to give anyone a majority) and therefore have no mandate for a referendum. The press will go along with this and the Unionists will try to push it but I think anyone with two braincells will see through that. Not least of all because the Greens also support independence and would support a referendum bill.

It basically comes down to the Tories believing that they have the right to stop Scotland and the Scottish people having the right to self-determination and apparently large swathes of the UK agreeing with them.

I'm not sure if BoJo the grifter will really stick around for a second term so it's entirely likely the whole shebang will become someone else's problem soon enough.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13474836)
The real problems for Scotland might start after indpendence. long, Sad history of the party that headed the indepdence movement thinking that gave them the right to eternally be the Party in Power. The COngress Party in India is a good example.

I'm not even sure the SNP would continue to exist post-independence (at least not in the same form) there do seem to be some fairly serious policy differences amongst the group held together by the overarching goal of independence.

I think you would see a shakeup in the parties following independence and it would probably be the best thing to ever happen to Labour. Part of the issue seems to be that the opposition parties are either so moribund (or in the case of the Tories having to cater to the nutjob element) that there really isn't much political talent and brain matter outside the SNP (and you could say the same about some in the SNP too!)

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

As long as any line is drawn North of Hartlepool I'm OK with it really

sphenisc 9th May 2021 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

As a Scot I vote for Stonehenge.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Architect (Post 13474912)
And the bits of England we get with it, assuming the poor geography of Daily Mail readers is reflected at Westminster.

Aaah yes, so Northumberland can be ignored from Holyrood instead of being ignored from Westminster...

Some days I think it might be a good idea for us, as a county, to ask Denmark if we can join them.

Archie Gemmill Goal 9th May 2021 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13474950)
Aaah yes, so Northumberland can be ignored from Holyrood instead of being ignored from Westminster...

I'd rather be ignored by a left of centre national government that Bojo's mob to be honest.

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Some days I think it might be a good idea for us, as a county, to ask Denmark if we can join them.
The problem with that is that all the OTHER people who caused the problems would come with you. The clever move would be to move to Denmark, but unfortunately the idiots who would never want to do such a thing took that right away from us.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 06:16 AM

The UK needs to be laser-focused on recovery from the pandemic and not Scottish independence discussions, Michael Gove says

Former Conservative Secretary of State for Scotland, David Mundell, has been talking to Radio 4's The World This Weekend.

He says people want to see the governments within the UK working together and they don't want conflict.

Asked if the election results mean Scotland does not want to be governed by Boris Johnson, he says he does not accept that premise because people voted to stay in the union in a referendum in 2014.

He says it is not within the gift of the Scottish government to try to hold another independence referendum.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 06:21 AM

The SNP's Jeane Freeman, who serves as the Scottish Cabinet Secretary for Health, has been talking to Radio 4.

She denies her party's failure to get a majority in the elections to the Scottish Parliament takes the shine off its victory.

Freeman says the electoral system is different in Scotland, so "the idea you can get a majority in a system designed not to do that is a big ask".

She says the SNP has a "moral authority based on those results" for the Scottish Parliament to decide if and when it wants to hold an independence referendum.

quadraginta 9th May 2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13474398)
Reform UK leader Richard Tice on Talk Radio says he is opening a pub with actor Laurence Fox.

"It will be the home of free speech and right-wing comedy. It'll only be British food, no vaccine passports, no masks".


I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of. Presumably nothing derived from the indigenous cuisines, herbs, and spices of the various British controlled territories over the past few centuries.

What does that leave? Overcooked roasts and veggies? Eel pies? Kippered herring?

Whatever it is it is bound to be boring.

Which, I suppose, is fitting. Somehow.

I'm not sure if tea can actually be considered British, since it was brought to Europe by Dutch traders and had never been seen in England before the middle of the 17th century.

angrysoba 9th May 2021 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13475038)
I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of. Presumably nothing derived from the indigenous cuisines, herbs, and spices of the various British controlled territories over the past few centuries.

What does that leave? Overcooked roasts and veggies? Eel pies? Kippered herring?

Whatever it is it is bound to be boring.

Which, I suppose, is fitting. Somehow.

I'm not sure if tea can actually be considered British, since it was brought to Europe by Dutch traders and had never been seen in England before the middle of the 17th century.

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It is commonly said, even by the English themselves, that English cooking is the worst in the world. It is supposed to be not merely incompetent, but also imitative, and I even read quite recently, in a book by a French writer, the remark: ‘The best English cooking is, of course, simply French cooking.’

Now that is simply not true, as anyone who has lived long abroad will know, there is a whole host of delicacies which it is quite impossible to obtain outside the English-speaking countries. No doubt the list could be added to, but here are some of the things that I myself have sought for in foreign countries and failed to find.

First of all, kippers, Yorkshire pudding, Devonshire cream, muffins and crumpets. Then a list of puddings that would be interminable if I gave it in full: I will pick out for special mention Christmas pudding, treacle tart and apple dumplings. Then an almost equally long list of cakes: for instance, dark plum cake (such as you used to get at Buzzard’s before the war), short-bread and saffron buns. Also innumerable kinds of biscuit, which exist, of course, elsewhere, but are generally admitted to be better and crisper in England.

Then there are the various ways of cooking potatoes that are peculiar to our own country. Where else do you see potatoes roasted under the joint, which is far and away the best way of cooking them? Or the delicious potato cakes that you get in the north of England? And it is far better to cook new potatoes in the English way — that is, boiled with mint and then served with a little melted butter or margarine — than to fry them as is done in most countries.

Then there are the various sauces peculiar to England. For instance, bread sauce, horse-radish sauce, mint sauce and apple sauce; not to mention redcurrant jelly, which is excellent with mutton as well as with hare, and various kinds of sweet pickle, which we seem to have in greater profusion than most countries.

What else? Outside these islands I have never seen a haggis, ...etc...
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Parsman 9th May 2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by zooterkin (Post 13474931)
He didn't say which wall. :) I vote for the Antonine.

That's not a wall, that's a trench!

Matthew Best 9th May 2021 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13475038)
I'm not sure exactly what that might consist of.

Chicken tikka masala.

Nessie 9th May 2021 10:32 AM

There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

*Found the video

https://twitter.com/resophonick/stat...88617449005058

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13475049)

potato? New World surely?

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13475083)
That's not a wall, that's a trench!

It used to be a wall.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13475150)
There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

Talk Radio had one giving one of his reasons for voting Tory as under a Labor govt they only had one Food Bank and now they have Seven.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nessie (Post 13475150)
There has been a video on twitter of two Hartlepool voters explaining why they voted Conservative. They blamed Labour for the closure of a local police station and the loss of local hospital services to another larger hospital outside the constituency.

I get their unhappiness at the apparent failure of the local MP to save local services, but it is rather odd they have switched to voting for the party that closed those services.

It may help Labour to try and educate more people about how politics works.

Oh FFS!

I used to work into the Teesside acute hospitals in my job before I moved up here and that thing about moving services from Hartlepool General to James Cook in Middlesbrough has been going on since around the turn of the century.

HGH is a ******* pig's ear of a site and always has been. Ditto North Tees in Stockton and Middlesbrough General. James Cook is the only one on a site which allows for service expansion and modernisation without demolishing the existing buildings. Services at all sites expanded and improved under the last Labour governents and have been hacked since 2010: which is, of course, all Labour's fault, as they clearly control the DoH and the commissioners (the knowledge that most folk have about commissioning of health services is pretty much non-existent).

angrysoba 9th May 2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475152)
potato? New World surely?

If weíre going that far back then presumably Italian cookery is not allowed tomato.

GlennB 9th May 2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475155)
Talk Radio had one giving one of his reasons for voting Tory as under a Labor govt they only had one Food Bank and now they have Seven.

And the hospitals are so full! Not like under Labour!

Despair is fine at this point.

Captain_Swoop 9th May 2021 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13475215)
Oh FFS!

I used to work into the Teesside acute hospitals in my job before I moved up here and that thing about moving services from Hartlepool General to James Cook in Middlesbrough has been going on since around the turn of the century.

HGH is a ******* pig's ear of a site and always has been. Ditto North Tees in Stockton and Middlesbrough General. James Cook is the only one on a site which allows for service expansion and modernisation without demolishing the existing buildings. Services at all sites expanded and improved under the last Labour governents and have been hacked since 2010: which is, of course, all Labour's fault, as they clearly control the DoH and the commissioners (the knowledge that most folk have about commissioning of health services is pretty much non-existent).

Middlesbrough General has completely disappeared, the site was completely redeveloped as new housing years ago.
The ENT hospital has gone from Middlesbrough too. It is now an Aldi. It's main building frontage was supposed to be retained in any redevelopment but Aldi persuaded the council it should be completely flattened so their standard building could be put up. The main portico was rebuilt as a pedestrian entrance to the car park.

West Lane Mental Health Hospital was closed in 2019 when it was rated as inadequate but has just re-opened as the Acklam Road Hospital, for some reason has been taken over by the Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Health trust.

Carrot Flower King 9th May 2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13475272)
Middlesbrough General has completely disappeared, the site was completely redeveloped as new housing years ago.
The ENT hospital has gone from Middlesbrough too. It is now an Aldi. It's main building frontage was supposed to be retained in any redevelopment but Aldi persuaded the council it should be completely flattened so their standard building could be put up. The main portico was rebuilt as a pedestrian entrance to the car park.

West Lane Mental Health Hospital was closed in 2019 when it was rated as inadequate but has just re-opened as the Acklam Road Hospital, for some reason has been taken over by the Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear Health trust.

Yeah, I was based at West Lane for a time (community base for some specialist CAMHS) until I left in 2003.

As to why (my old employer) CumbriaNTW took over some of those services...Well, there has been a tendency in North East MH services for Newcastle ('cos Newcastle is the core of that trust) to dominate services since I can't remember when and I trained in Newcastle in the '80s - it's the big medical school and has dominated nurse, psychology and OT training in the region for some time.

But this must all be Labour's fault...


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