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Vixen 24th November 2019 07:51 AM

Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?
 
Most people focus on the under-age sex theme of Jeffery Epstein's notorious parties for the rich and influential.

However, with the British upper classes having been notionally 'named and shamed' (Prince Andrew) for allegedly being a part of a global child-sex ring, culminating in Epstein's controversial death whilst in custody, awaiting charges of child-sex trafficking, there is another aspect to this which adds up to a conspiracy theory.

According to the likes of David Icke - who, not to put too fine a point on it, is considered bat-**** crazy by many - the reason the Metropolitan Police won't act on it and the alleged 'one thousand individuals named' in depositions as being a part of the global 'prostitution ring', as it were, will never have to face charges, is because there really does exist a satanic sex ring and Epstein - runs the theory - is simply one of a line of people who procure teenage sex for the Royal Family. The perception has arisen because names such as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and of course, Prince Andrew have all been associated with Epstein, who himself is presumably Jewish, having complained of anti-Semitism in his dealings with the authorities. Epstein was also a major donor to the Democratic Party, so there is also politics thrown in.

So, has anyone looked at this angle, other than Icke, as according to him, lowly disc jockey, Jimmy Savile, was also a procurer of under-age sex for the ruling classes, being a close friend of Prince Charles and untouched by the police whilst he was alive. We know Savile hosted all kinds of parties for children, especially the vulnerable at children's homes and in hospitals. Yet although once cautioned to stay away from inviting nine-year-old girls to his home in Yorkshire, according to a newspaper report, he never did have his collar felt.

Why?

As for the 'satanic' angle, we know HM The Queen is the UK and Commonwealth 'Defender of the Faith' as one of her titles and Head of the Church of England, so how scandalous is it if the likes of Clinton, Trump and Prince Andrew have allegedly been at parties where frolicking with teens was typical? In this drone video of Epstein's New Mexico mansion hideaway, where Prince Andrew has been known to stay, we can see a structure described as a temple, and there are photos which reveal:

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life-sized installation of a crucified Jesus
What? Even if the young ladies were not 'minors', could it be the son of the Defender of the Faith and Head of the Church of England has been romping under a life-sized installation of a crucified Jesus? And what could possibly have been going on in the 'Temple'?

Myriad 24th November 2019 08:15 AM

Here's a crucial difference between a widespread sex-trafficking ring and a widespread Satanic conspiracy: Old unattractive rich men can worship Satan for free.

Matthew Best 24th November 2019 08:19 AM

And what does any of this have to do with 9/11?

The Great Zaganza 24th November 2019 08:24 AM

Epstein would not have suffered other gods beside himself in his house.

dann 24th November 2019 08:28 AM

That could be the reason for his alleged falling-out with Trump.

autumn1971 24th November 2019 09:36 AM

Why would the Satanists have a giant crucifix?

shemp 24th November 2019 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by autumn1971 (Post 12902993)
Why would the Satanists have a giant crucifix?

To stir the cauldron in which they boil their victims, of course!

Vixen 24th November 2019 10:49 AM

Epstein's sundial 'proves he had a definite knowledge of the occult', so says this guy who compares the Settle Sundial with Epstein's.

https://youtu.be/07AnF1lvx9o

Axxman300 24th November 2019 06:47 PM

*waves hand at the back of the room*

Why does it have to be Satanic? Why isn't an international pedophile ring not considered to be evil enough on its own?

How is this case not disturbing enough based on the known facts?

What's wrong with CTists? Here you have the real ****** thing, a conspiracy with global reach involving wealthy and powerful men and women. Why drag in the woo?

Cosmic Yak 25th November 2019 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12902929)
Most people focus on the under-age sex theme of Jeffery Epstein's notorious parties for the rich and influential.

However, with the British upper classes having been notionally 'named and shamed' (Prince Andrew) for allegedly being a part of a global child-sex ring, culminating in Epstein's controversial death whilst in custody, awaiting charges of child-sex trafficking, there is another aspect to this which adds up to a conspiracy theory.

According to the likes of David Icke - who, not to put too fine a point on it, is considered bat-**** crazy by many - the reason the Metropolitan Police won't act on it and the alleged 'one thousand individuals named' in depositions as being a part of the global 'prostitution ring', as it were, will never have to face charges, is because there really does exist a satanic sex ring and Epstein - runs the theory - is simply one of a line of people who procure teenage sex for the Royal Family. The perception has arisen because names such as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and of course, Prince Andrew have all been associated with Epstein, who himself is presumably Jewish, having complained of anti-Semitism in his dealings with the authorities. Epstein was also a major donor to the Democratic Party, so there is also politics thrown in.

So, has anyone looked at this angle, other than Icke, as according to him, lowly disc jockey, Jimmy Savile, was also a procurer of under-age sex for the ruling classes, being a close friend of Prince Charles and untouched by the police whilst he was alive. We know Savile hosted all kinds of parties for children, especially the vulnerable at children's homes and in hospitals. Yet although once cautioned to stay away from inviting nine-year-old girls to his home in Yorkshire, according to a newspaper report, he never did have his collar felt.

Why?

As for the 'satanic' angle, we know HM The Queen is the UK and Commonwealth 'Defender of the Faith' as one of her titles and Head of the Church of England, so how scandalous is it if the likes of Clinton, Trump and Prince Andrew have allegedly been at parties where frolicking with teens was typical? In this drone video of Epstein's New Mexico mansion hideaway, where Prince Andrew has been known to stay, we can see a structure described as a temple, and there are photos which reveal:



What? Even if the young ladies were not 'minors', could it be the son of the Defender of the Faith and Head of the Church of England has been romping under a life-sized installation of a crucified Jesus? And what could possibly have been going on in the 'Temple'?

Good lord. :jaw-dropp
To summarise: Epstein, who is Jewish and therefore not a Satanist, is actually a Satanist because he has a crucifix in his house, which is Christian not Satanist.
He is also a Satanist because there is a temple in the grounds of this house, which is not pictured in the link, and is not described as a temple either.
He is also a Satanist because of his connection with the British Royal family, who are Christians, not Satanists.
Furthermore, he is a Satanist because he gave money to, and had connections with, the Democrat Party, who are not Satanists either.
Finally, he is a Satanist because of references to Jimmy Savile, who was not a Satanist, and because of some vague allusion to the 'Satanic Panic' hysteria of a few years ago, which turned out to be unfounded.
Clearly an open-and-shut case. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Vixen. The world is now a better place thanks to you.:rolleyes:
For the Americans reading this, that last part was sarcasm.

Axxman300 25th November 2019 02:16 AM

There is a "temple" on his island. Three of the doors are just painted on.

These idiots managed to sneak onto the island a few weeks ago and it was one of the buildings they got a close look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmgSM7lWRts

The place is impressive.

Vixen 25th November 2019 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 12903455)
*waves hand at the back of the room*

Why does it have to be Satanic? Why isn't an international pedophile ring not considered to be evil enough on its own?

How is this case not disturbing enough based on the known facts?

What's wrong with CTists? Here you have the real ****** thing, a conspiracy with global reach involving wealthy and powerful men and women. Why drag in the woo?

It's not woo. These guys really believe this stuff.

The sundial on Epstein's island shows sixteen flares. In other words, this is a 'Macedonian Star' or masonic sun and called 'eight plus eight'. Now this intrigues me because in a youtube video showing Epsteins 'black book' with long lists of presumably his victims, there was one woman/girl's name listed with the words, 'eight plus eight' beside it. What?

At the top of the sun dial is the number twelve (noon/midnight) in Roman numerals and there we see an altar stone. Nearby this is the blue and white striped chapel, with the door to the side of it, with bars on the outside (meaning those on the inside can be locked in by those outside). There are four birds - possibly a phoenix, cockerel or owl - two on the roof and two on the ground. The chapel itself also originally had a gold dome (similar to the mosques in Jerusalem and Aleppo). The stripes conjure up an image of the stripes of Tutankhamum, except these are blue and white rather than gold and blue. These could reflect the opposite colours of gold and black or simply Epstein's support of Zionism as per the blue and white stripes of the Israeli flag. The temple structure could be compared to the masonic Temple to Moluch. There is also apparent an entrance to an underground tunnel leading to the temple, which is on a mount. Now, we know Epstein had a large subterranean room for dancing and revellry and mass showers which could hold eight people at a time.

Thus we have a disturbing scenario of two or three times yearly - or more - of a mass party of powerful rich middle-aged men together with many teenage girls trained in massage and pornography making whoppee at his stylised mansions in hideaway places. The one at Mar-A- Lago (_sp?) is at the end of a promontory so no-one goes there unless that is their destination. The New Mexico one is in the middle of arrid shrubland. The New York one is in Manhattan and more pubicly visible as to all the comings and goings.

OK so it's fun to build a masonically- inspired temple and huge designed-after-Plato 'Atlantis'-themed raised platforms. However, throw in teenage girls - some underage - and people like Trump, Clinton and Prince Andrew Alan Dershowitz, Robert Maxwell's daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell, French model agency owner, Jean-Luc Brunel - both of whom are missing - then it takes on a more sinister tone, does it not? Bearing in mind it appears to have been going on since the early '90's and no-one's ever been arrested other than a lenient plea deal for Epstein for which he served a short 18-months with day release for much of it.

Belz... 25th November 2019 05:07 AM

Masons aren't satanists. What are you talking about?

Thermal 25th November 2019 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12903706)
... and mass showers which could hold eight people at a time.

Just a side note: the Daily Mail article also seems fascinated with the showers, and the attendant lotions and oils there. I don't think the author is familiar with shower facilities of the obscenely wealthy, or even moderately well-off. Massive baths are a common luxury in high end homes, as are a variety of expensive cosmetics for the users. With all the twisted stuff going on with dead Epstein, this is not one of them.

Armitage72 25th November 2019 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 12903747)
Masons aren't satanists. What are you talking about?


Years ago I was walking through a bookstore when an elderly woman and her husband walked past a shelf containing several books about the Freemasons. She started loudly talking about how she had read in a magazine that the Freemasons were secretly Satanists. Unable to resist, I mentioned to her that most of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons. She gave me a stunned look and stammered "What?. That ... that can't be right." Her husband, who seemed amused, immediately confirmed my information as he casually led her away. I'm guessing he had frequently heard it from her before.

Myriad 25th November 2019 07:37 AM

A sixteen-point compass rose is not a satanic symbol. They appear on many compasses, and compass points are also common on horizontal sundials. (There are sixteen "named" directions, N, NNE, NE, ENE, E, ESE, etc. Most small compasses and printed compass rose symbols have only eight points instead, but sixteen points is still not unusual. Nautical compasses have thirty-two points, which are referred to in phrases like "she runs close-hauled six points off the wind.")

The "12" at the top of a sundial stands for 12 o'clock. As in, noon. As in, when the sun is directly south and the shadow of the dial's gnomon points to the top of the dial. Same as on regular clock dials. Do you own a satanic clock or wristwatch with a "12" at the top?

Birds? Gold domes? Blue and white stripes? Which of these are satanic? This is such nonsense.

Horatius 25th November 2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 12903849)
Birds? Gold domes? Blue and white stripes? Which of these are satanic? This is such nonsense.



And honestly, the listed styles seem like such a mishmash of conflicting styles and symbology that it doesn't scream "Satanist!" so much as it does "Guy with more money than taste!"

Trebuchet 25th November 2019 08:31 AM

Betteridge's Law of Headlines....

bruto 25th November 2019 08:52 AM

One of the amusing things here is that according to many accounts for a while, Epstein was a faker, a facile con-man who rarely had any real idea what he was doing, but...oh wait, when it comes to Satanic nonsense, he was secretly adept and knowledgeable.

Trebuchet 25th November 2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 12903702)
There is a "temple" on his island. Three of the doors are just painted on.

These idiots managed to sneak onto the island a few weeks ago and it was one of the buildings they got a close look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmgSM7lWRts

The place is impressive.

Idiots indeed. I got about half way through before I couldn't stand any more of them talking about how great they are.
This comment pretty much sums it up:
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couldn't even see the island because your balls were in the way

Myriad 25th November 2019 10:45 AM

Oh, and by the way, the "12" on a sundial stands for noon, but NOT for midnight. Can you figure out why not?

Jack by the hedge 25th November 2019 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12903916)
Idiots indeed. I got about half way through before I couldn't stand any more of them talking about how great they are.

It did seem like a load of nothing, padded out with 90% self-congratulatory chit-chat about how insanely brave they were.

I mean, if they had gone to the wrong rich guy's holiday island and filmed his sinister summer houses, sinister sundial and sinister patio furniture instead, I wouldn't have known. I guess you have to be insanely brave to recognise Satanism when you see it.

Vixen 25th November 2019 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Belz... (Post 12903747)
Masons aren't satanists. What are you talking about?

OK: ancient Egyptian and Babylonian cults then. The cult of Osiris and Ba'al.

Masons ultimately are Ancient Egyptian occultists

Vixen 25th November 2019 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 12903849)
A sixteen-point compass rose is not a satanic symbol. They appear on many compasses, and compass points are also common on horizontal sundials. (There are sixteen "named" directions, N, NNE, NE, ENE, E, ESE, etc. Most small compasses and printed compass rose symbols have only eight points instead, but sixteen points is still not unusual. Nautical compasses have thirty-two points, which are referred to in phrases like "she runs close-hauled six points off the wind.")

The "12" at the top of a sundial stands for 12 o'clock. As in, noon. As in, when the sun is directly south and the shadow of the dial's gnomon points to the top of the dial. Same as on regular clock dials. Do you own a satanic clock or wristwatch with a "12" at the top?

Birds? Gold domes? Blue and white stripes? Which of these are satanic? This is such nonsense.

Are you kidding me? That sundial has little to do with compass points.

Vixen 25th November 2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak (Post 12903696)
Good lord. :jaw-dropp
To summarise: Epstein, who is Jewish and therefore not a Satanist, is actually a Satanist because he has a crucifix in his house, which is Christian not Satanist.
He is also a Satanist because there is a temple in the grounds of this house, which is not pictured in the link, and is not described as a temple either.
He is also a Satanist because of his connection with the British Royal family, who are Christians, not Satanists.
Furthermore, he is a Satanist because he gave money to, and had connections with, the Democrat Party, who are not Satanists either.
Finally, he is a Satanist because of references to Jimmy Savile, who was not a Satanist, and because of some vague allusion to the 'Satanic Panic' hysteria of a few years ago, which turned out to be unfounded.
Clearly an open-and-shut case. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, Vixen. The world is now a better place thanks to you.:rolleyes:
For the Americans reading this, that last part was sarcasm.


I know you are being flippant but you ought to know that so-called Christian countries are rife with masonic /Egyptian symbolism.

Look at St Peter's Square in Rome at the Vatican. The epitome of Roman Catholicism, right? Wait! There is a massive Ancient Egyptian obelisk bang in the middle of it, the second oldest in the world, transported direct from Egypt to Rome via Alexandria. Sure the hieroglyphics have been replaced by Christian ones. A four-pointed cross has been mounted on top. Wait again! the cross is on top of an eight-sided star - said to represent Melchizedek - itself aloft eight-sided honeycombs.

It doesn't end there. Deciding the obelisk represented a ray of sunshine (the Osiris cult) an eight-sided sundial has been drawn around it, with the obelisk marking the time of day with its shadow. We do not have an eight-hour clock, nor a sixteen-hour one. Also added is a compass rose ( a sure masonic symbol).

What gets really interesting is the coding used in Epstein's 'black book' of clients, as attached. You can see one girl described as '2 x eight'.

Now of course, one can say this is all the biggest load of nonsense, yet people have taken it seriously down the ages, including the British Royal family and not to mention the obelisk looking feature in Washington DC. The USA is absolutely awash with these symbols.

Vixen 25th November 2019 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge (Post 12904013)
It did seem like a load of nothing, padded out with 90% self-congratulatory chit-chat about how insanely brave they were.

I mean, if they had gone to the wrong rich guy's holiday island and filmed his sinister summer houses, sinister sundial and sinister patio furniture instead, I wouldn't have known. I guess you have to be insanely brave to recognise Satanism when you see it.

The 'wrong rich guy' will have a raised platform of sunbeds and swimming pools.

No teenage girl sex orgies under jumbo-sized Jesus crucifixes.

Horatius 25th November 2019 12:17 PM

Okay, seriously, what's the issue with "jumbo-sized Jesus crucifixes"? When I read the OP, I was sure it was a parody, because it seemed like you were describing every single Catholic Church I've ever been in.

Of course, now you're taking on the Vatican, so I guess you were serious, but seriously, can you not see how someone else might think you're just a little nuts?

Belz... 25th November 2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12904017)
OK: ancient Egyptian and Babylonian cults then. The cult of Osiris and Ba'al.

Masons ultimately are Ancient Egyptian occultists

Ok, and?

Are you retracting your OP's question, then?

Venom 25th November 2019 01:00 PM

The Peter Scully case is the closest thing to an international child sex-trafficking ring.
Was arrested before it got off the ground.

But this guy made Epstein look like a saint.

Axxman300 25th November 2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12904034)
I know you are being flippant but you ought to know that so-called Christian countries are rife with masonic /Egyptian symbolism.

...and what does this have to do with Satanism? (he said, tongue in cheek)


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Look at St Peter's Square in Rome at the Vatican. The epitome of Roman Catholicism, right? Wait! There is a massive Ancient Egyptian obelisk bang in the middle of it, the second oldest in the world, transported direct from Egypt to Rome via Alexandria. Sure the hieroglyphics have been replaced by Christian ones. A four-pointed cross has been mounted on top. Wait again! the cross is on top of an eight-sided star - said to represent Melchizedek - itself aloft eight-sided honeycombs.
ZMG! Teh evils Masons pulled a fast one on their arch enemiezies teh Catholicks centuries before they even existed! Masons really are sneaky.

And I'm sure it had nothing to do with some Italian wandering around Egypt and seeing an obelisk and thinking, "Hey, that would look cool in Rome, lets do some empire stuff."

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It doesn't end there.
It never does.

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Deciding the obelisk represented a ray of sunshine (the Osiris cult) an eight-sided sundial has been drawn around it, with the obelisk marking the time of day with its shadow. We do not have an eight-hour clock, nor a sixteen-hour one. Also added is a compass rose ( a sure masonic symbol).
So how did we tell time before those sneaking Masons showed up? Are you spreading propaganda for Big Hour-Glass?

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What gets really interesting is the coding used in Epstein's 'black book' of clients, as attached. You can see one girl described as '2 x eight'.
2x8=16...now why would that number describing a girl be considered significant in a pedophile's notebook? Hmmmm....

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Now of course, one can say this is all the biggest load of nonsense, yet people have taken it seriously down the ages, including the British Royal family and not to mention the obelisk looking feature in Washington DC. The USA is absolutely awash with these symbols.
Wait, so you're telling me that Washington D.C. - a city named after a Master Mason - dedicated a masonic designed memorial to said Master Mason in a city designed mostly be Free Masons?

And this is shocking news how exactly?

Axxman300 25th November 2019 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatius (Post 12904120)
Okay, seriously, what's the issue with "jumbo-sized Jesus crucifixes"? When I read the OP, I was sure it was a parody, because it seemed like you were describing every single Catholic Church I've ever been in.

Of course, now you're taking on the Vatican, so I guess you were serious, but seriously, can you not see how someone else might think you're just a little nuts?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the value of said jumbo cross. I sure Epstein didn't just buy a valuable cross as an investment, why would a billionaire put his money in art and artifacts which can be liquidated rather quickly when he needs real cash.

Nope, the only reason a Jewish guy buys a big crucifix is devil related.

IsThisTheLife 25th November 2019 01:22 PM

The "satanism" often associated with organised child abuse is nothing but theatrics, used by the degenerates to cloak and, to an extent, 'rationalise' what's essentially nothing but submission to the basest, most destructive of human impulses.

Jack by the hedge 25th November 2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12904039)
The 'wrong rich guy' will have a raised platform of sunbeds and swimming pools.



No teenage girl sex orgies under jumbo-sized Jesus crucifixes.

Oh. Well dark forces must have doctored their insane video as there aren't any teen orgies under jumbo crucifixes in it any more. Just a couple of guys stumbling around an empty but seemingly still tended holiday island which looked like a bit of a building site to me, if I'm honest.

Jack by the hedge 25th November 2019 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Axxman300 (Post 12904181)
I'm sure it had nothing to do with the value of said jumbo cross. I sure Epstein didn't just buy a valuable cross as an investment, why would a billionaire put his money in art and artifacts which can be liquidated rather quickly when he needs real cash.

Nope, the only reason a Jewish guy buys a big crucifix is devil related.

Could just be an honest mistake. When you're raised Jewish but switch for business reasons to Team Satan you may just have it in mind that you've changed teams but get a bit vague about the specific symbols of your new allegiance. You're busy, busy, busy doing evil so this sort of detail might get overlooked. He was probably expecting his henchmen to pick up on any mistakes he made but they might have thought he was being ironic.

Elagabalus 25th November 2019 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12903706)
It's not woo. These guys really believe this stuff.

The sundial on Epstein's island shows sixteen flares. In other words, this is a 'Macedonian Star' or masonic sun and called 'eight plus eight'. Now this intrigues me because in a youtube video showing Epsteins 'black book' with long lists of presumably his victims, there was one woman/girl's name listed with the words, 'eight plus eight' beside it. What?

At the top of the sun dial is the number twelve (noon/midnight) in Roman numerals and there we see an altar stone. Nearby this is the blue and white striped chapel, with the door to the side of it, with bars on the outside (meaning those on the inside can be locked in by those outside). There are four birds - possibly a phoenix, cockerel or owl - two on the roof and two on the ground. The chapel itself also originally had a gold dome (similar to the mosques in Jerusalem and Aleppo). The stripes conjure up an image of the stripes of Tutankhamum, except these are blue and white rather than gold and blue. These could reflect the opposite colours of gold and black or simply Epstein's support of Zionism as per the blue and white stripes of the Israeli flag. The temple structure could be compared to the masonic Temple to Moluch. There is also apparent an entrance to an underground tunnel leading to the temple, which is on a mount. Now, we know Epstein had a large subterranean room for dancing and revellry and mass showers which could hold eight people at a time.

Thus we have a disturbing scenario of two or three times yearly - or more - of a mass party of powerful rich middle-aged men together with many teenage girls trained in massage and pornography making whoppee at his stylised mansions in hideaway places. The one at Mar-A- Lago (_sp?) is at the end of a promontory so no-one goes there unless that is their destination. The New Mexico one is in the middle of arrid shrubland. The New York one is in Manhattan and more pubicly visible as to all the comings and goings.

OK so it's fun to build a masonically- inspired temple and huge designed-after-Plato 'Atlantis'-themed raised platforms. However, throw in teenage girls - some underage - and people like Trump, Clinton and Prince Andrew Alan Dershowitz, Robert Maxwell's daughter, Ghislaine Maxwell, French model agency owner, Jean-Luc Brunel - both of whom are missing - then it takes on a more sinister tone, does it not? Bearing in mind it appears to have been going on since the early '90's and no-one's ever been arrested other than a lenient plea deal for Epstein for which he served a short 18-months with day release for much of it.


Wasn't this an episode of Vares?

Myriad 25th November 2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12904021)
Are you kidding me? That sundial has little to do with compass points.


Horizontal sundials are often round, and must be oriented to geographical north and south in order to work properly. Including compass rose points is the most natural thing in the world. It gives the dial a function, local orientation, that visitors can appreciate even if it's cloudy.

Trebuchet 25th November 2019 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 12904547)
Horizontal sundials are often round, and must be oriented to geographical north and south in order to work properly. Including compass rose points is the most natural thing in the world. It gives the dial a function, local orientation, that visitors can appreciate even if it's cloudy.

I looked at the island on Google Earth. There are both a sundial and a compass rose. I think they are being conflated here.

Cosmic Yak 26th November 2019 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vixen (Post 12904034)
I know you are being flippant but you ought to know that so-called Christian countries are rife with masonic /Egyptian symbolism.

Look at St Peter's Square in Rome at the Vatican. The epitome of Roman Catholicism, right? Wait! There is a massive Ancient Egyptian obelisk bang in the middle of it, the second oldest in the world, transported direct from Egypt to Rome via Alexandria. Sure the hieroglyphics have been replaced by Christian ones. A four-pointed cross has been mounted on top. Wait again! the cross is on top of an eight-sided star - said to represent Melchizedek - itself aloft eight-sided honeycombs.

It doesn't end there. Deciding the obelisk represented a ray of sunshine (the Osiris cult) an eight-sided sundial has been drawn around it, with the obelisk marking the time of day with its shadow. We do not have an eight-hour clock, nor a sixteen-hour one. Also added is a compass rose ( a sure masonic symbol).

What gets really interesting is the coding used in Epstein's 'black book' of clients, as attached. You can see one girl described as '2 x eight'.

Now of course, one can say this is all the biggest load of nonsense, yet people have taken it seriously down the ages, including the British Royal family and not to mention the obelisk looking feature in Washington DC. The USA is absolutely awash with these symbols.

Fascinating, but this has absolutely naff all to do with the idea that Epstein, the Democrat Party and the British Royal family are Satanists.
And, no, I wasn't being flippant. These accusations are 'Da Vinci Code'-level horsedung. What is needed is some evidence, any evidence at all, before these kinds of accusations are thrown around.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?

eerok 26th November 2019 05:48 AM

Epstein was a perv and a monster, but there's no credible evidence he was a Satanist. What a load of hooey.

Horatius 26th November 2019 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 12904795)
Epstein was a perv and a monster, but there's no credible evidence he was a Satanist. What a load of hooey.



Come on, it's not enough to hate a guy just because he's a perv and a monster! We've got to sex it up a bit!


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