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Trebuchet 27th September 2017 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12010650)
Will Jared's days ever be numbered?

You misspelled (((Jared))). But less sarcastically, no, they probably won't.

Darth Rotor 27th September 2017 08:41 PM

Given that Jared made the same mistakes that someone did so recently argues that he's a slow learner. Not a good trait. In the office pool, though, he's even money to stay on as Trump's big acid test is personal loyalty. :P

phiwum 27th September 2017 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor (Post 12010787)
Given that Jared made the same mistakes that someone did so recently argues that he's a slow learner. Not a good trait. In the office pool, though, he's even money to stay on as Trump's big acid test is personal loyalty. :P

If you're referring to the email brouhaha, then Jared is one of six slow learners, none of whom will be sacked over this because Trump doesn't give a damn about this issue (despite how much time he spent on the horrors of Clinton's similar misstep).

The Don 27th September 2017 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12010369)
Who told him he should back Strange over Moore? That guy's a goner.

That never happened, as The President's recently updated Twitter feed shows ;)

PhantomWolf 28th September 2017 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by phiwum (Post 12010865)
If you're referring to the email brouhaha, then Jared is one of six slow learners, none of whom will be sacked over this because Trump doesn't give a damn about this issue (despite how much time he spent on the horrors of Clinton's similar misstep).

It's unlikely that he'd fire either Kushner or Ivanka since they are family. Priebus and Bannon are already gone. Cohn and Miller could be in trouble depending on how serious their breeches were and how much it embarasses Trump.

phiwum 28th September 2017 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 12011019)
It's unlikely that he'd fire either Kushner or Ivanka since they are family. Prebus and Bannon are already gone. Cohn and Miller could be in trouble depending on how serious their breeches were and how much it embarasses Trump.

There's no way Trump is going to let them go over an email flap. He conceivably could use the email issue as an excuse when he wants to let them go for other reasons, but then he'd have an issue because Kushner and Ivanka will certainly not be let go, despite the same sin.

ponderingturtle 28th September 2017 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf (Post 12010491)
Just another example of good Republican fiscal responsibility.

But how are people supposed to feel important if they have to fly commercial?

d4m10n 28th September 2017 08:52 AM

It is going to take a lot of private flights to compete with the fiscal profligacy going down at White House South.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/891020450935058434

TheL8Elvis 29th September 2017 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12010354)
Oh, that.

In normal times this would be a career-ending move but I don't really see Trump cracking down on overindulgence in taxpayer-funded perks, or corruption more generally.

Few things are the same as in "normal" times :-)

Doesn't look like this price thing is going away quickly, and wow he is unlikable.

I think someone could convince 45 that firing him would be good optics.

dudalb 29th September 2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12010388)
McConnell? Could happen.

But it won't be Trump who does it;only the members of the Senate can do that..Trump cannot fire McConnell thus McConnell does not qualify for the White House Survivor game.

dudalb 29th September 2017 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12012561)
Few things are the same as in "normal" times :-)

Doesn't look like this price thing is going away quickly, and wow he is unlikable.

I think someone could convince 45 that firing him would be good optics.

This, and Trump had no close ties to Price.
And Price's job description makes him a prime scapegoat if the response to Hurricane Maria becomes a major issue.

Stacko 29th September 2017 01:40 PM

White House says HHS Secretary Tom Price has resigned

NoahFence 29th September 2017 02:06 PM

...and another one bites the dust

Kushner or DeVos next.

dudalb 29th September 2017 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12012928)
...and another one bites the dust

Kushner or DeVos next.

Devos is safe;she paid for her charter flights out of her own pocket. I dislike her immensely,but will give her credit for that.

Stacko 29th September 2017 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 12012928)
...and another one bites the dust

Kushner or DeVos next.

My money's on Mnuchin, Pruitt or Zinke all of whom are consumed in somewhat lesser versions of the same scandal.

d4m10n 29th September 2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12012901)

Kudos to everyone who had him in the pool.

Personally, I'm shocked to find that anyone in that political party can still be shamed.

Cain 29th September 2017 04:17 PM

Trump has staffed his White House and cabinet with the best people, so their replacements are by definition sub-optimal. This media witch-hunt is undermining efforts to drain the swamp.

Darth Rotor 29th September 2017 04:18 PM

At some point, my question from before Trump won the nom of the GOP will come up with greater gravity:

Who wants to work for this guy? Who will work for this guy? The first six month's carnage/turnover argues for "why would I bother" as a response to feelers from someone like Kelly contacting prospects.

Stacko 29th September 2017 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12013043)
Personally, I'm shocked to find that anyone in that political party can still be shamed.

It's weird to see a normal political scandal play out in the normal way. I mean why didn't he just defiantly stay on? That would fit better with what the Trump era has brought us to.

dudalb 29th September 2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor (Post 12013052)
At some point, my question from before Trump won the nom of the GOP will come up with greater gravity:

Who wants to work for this guy? Who will work for this guy? The first six month's carnage/turnover argues for "why would I bother" as a response to feelers from someone like Kelly contacting prospects.

It's the Red Wedding in GOT.....

dudalb 29th September 2017 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12013054)
It's weird to see a normal political scandal play out in the normal way. I mean why didn't he just defiantly stay on? That would fit better with what the Trump era has brought us to.

I think he got the word that Trump was going to pull the trigger,and decided to resign to avoid that humiliation.
IMHO it was all about the optics. It was not so much what Price did, but that vioilated the 11th Commandment:Thou Shalt Not Get Caught.
But it is a nice scalp for Politico, which broke the story. I am pretty sure there are asking "How the hell did we miss this" at the WAPO.

Stacko 29th September 2017 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12013074)
I think he got the word that Trump was going to pull the trigger,and decided to resign to avoid that humiliation.
IMHO it was all about the optics. It was not so much what Price did, but that vioilated the 11th Commandment:Thou Shalt Not Get Caught.
But it is a nice scalp for Politico, which broke the story. I am pretty sure there are asking "How the hell did we miss this" at the WAPO.

Politico also broke the story the prevented Puzder from being appointed. But as their editor said:
someone just said "your reporters brought price down" I said no -- Tom PRice's poor judgment and costly travel brought him down

Skeptic Ginger 29th September 2017 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12012941)
Devos is safe;she paid for her charter flights out of her own pocket. I dislike her immensely,but will give her credit for that.

She owns the jet. :rolleyes:

DeVos travels "on personally-owned aircraft"

Skeptic Ginger 29th September 2017 06:39 PM

Rachel Maddow had a long list of the people currently on survival island.

Last night's program is on the top playlist but hopefully there'll be a link to tonight's program soon. She listed a half dozen or more with the same abuse of power scandals.

Looks like the VA head has some explaining to do: VA chief took in Wimbledon, river cruise on European work trip; wife’s expenses covered by taxpayers.

I vote David Shulkin the next off the island.

The EPA administrator could be in trouble even though the National Review tried to clear him yesterday: The Scott Pruitt Non-Scandal.

That may not help: EPA inspector general launches probe of Scott Pruitt’s travel costs.

It's not just travel costs. That $25K cone of silence is certainly an eyebrow raiser.

The Don 29th September 2017 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12013043)
Kudos to everyone who had him in the pool.

Personally, I'm shocked to find that anyone in that political party can still be shamed.

Is this really only about the flights or is there some payback for the failed healthcare bills and he resigned before he was fired ?

nvm.....should have read on to dudalb's post :o

Craig4 1st October 2017 04:56 PM

I think Tillerson will resign when he gets back from China. How can he not? Where's the way forward for him after this?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/01/politi...rea/index.html

Stacko 4th October 2017 03:57 AM

Tillerson seems like a good bet at this point.

Quote:

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was on the verge of resigning this past summer amid mounting policy disputes and clashes with the White House, according to multiple senior administration officials who were aware of the situation at the time.

The tensions came to a head around the time President Donald Trump delivered a politicized speech in late July to the Boy Scouts of America, an organization Tillerson once led, the officials said.

Just days earlier, Tillerson had openly disparaged the president, referring to him as a “moron,” after a July 20 meeting at the Pentagon with members of Trump’s national security team and Cabinet officials, according to three officials familiar with the incident.

TheL8Elvis 4th October 2017 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12014956)
I think Tillerson will resign when he gets back from China. How can he not? Where's the way forward for him after this?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/01/politi...rea/index.html

Agreed. Trump has neutered him and rendered him useless.

The Don 4th October 2017 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12019311)
Agreed. Trump has neutered him and rendered him useless.

I guess that could be true for any senior member of the Trump Administration. The President seems to make up policy on the hoof which means that any deal that someone has been patiently working on is scuppered when President Trump makes a speech extolling the complete opposite position.

Toontown 4th October 2017 06:38 AM

It is now official. The secretary of state has confirmed that Trump is indeed a "moron".

Which comes as no great surprise. Putin did not select Trump to be our president because he admired Trump's intellect.

d4m10n 4th October 2017 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Toontown (Post 12019341)
It is now official. The secretary of state has confirmed that Trump is indeed a "moron".

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ws_report.html

He won't be the first person fired for excessive truth-telling.

***ALL MY CHIPS ON TILLERSON***

Stacko 4th October 2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12019420)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ws_report.html

He won't be the first person fired for excessive truth-telling.

***ALL MY CHIPS ON TILLERSON***

Tillerson is making a statement at 10:40EDT from the Treaty Room. Topic unknown. We could be getting moron this story.

SOdhner 4th October 2017 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12019420)
***ALL MY CHIPS ON TILLERSON***

Yeah, same here.

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12019431)
Tillerson is making a statement at 10:40EDT from the Treaty Room. Topic unknown. We could be getting moron this story.

I don't see anything yet, fingers crossed he goes off script and quits with some flare.

d4m10n 4th October 2017 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stacko (Post 12019431)
Tillerson is making a statement at 10:40EDT from the Treaty Room. Topic unknown. We could be getting moron this story.

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NoahFence 4th October 2017 07:52 AM

Well the jerk store is running out of YOU!

....I hate when I want to make a joke that someone already made. :(
"Moron" this story.

:dl:

NoahFence 4th October 2017 08:03 AM

Doggone it. He's just giving Trump a gobbie and praising Dear Leader.

TheL8Elvis 4th October 2017 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12019420)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ws_report.html

He won't be the first person fired for excessive truth-telling.

***ALL MY CHIPS ON TILLERSON***

Hmmm. Tillerson never considered leaving, and doesn't understand the media "misreporting" everything. Plays the "I'm not from Washington" card.

Honestly, IDK what's doing here.:boggled:

Toontown 4th October 2017 08:09 AM

When directly asked if he called Trump a "moron", Tillerson refused to answer.

From this non-answer we can confidently conclude Tillerson did in fact call Trump a "moron".

We can also confidently conclude Tillerson is not ready to leave yet. We should probably be relieved that Tillerson and a couple of others are hanging around, keeping an eye on Putin's selection.

Stacko 4th October 2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis (Post 12019479)
Hmmm. Tillerson never considered leaving, and doesn't understand the media "misreporting" everything. Plays the "I'm not from Washington" card.

Honestly, IDK what's doing here.:boggled:

Has he denied calling Trump a moron yet?

TheL8Elvis 4th October 2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toontown (Post 12019489)
When directly asked if he called Trump a "moron", Tillerson refused to answer.

From this non-answer we can confidently conclude Tillerson did in fact call Trump a "moron".

We can also confidently conclude Tillerson is not ready to leave yet.

It appears that way, but I would like more information on WHY.

ETA: I don't believe him when he makes noises like it's love of country, duty etc


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