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acbytesla 27th September 2019 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 12834746)
Giuliani has to be next. Trump has used him so many times to do his dirty work that he has become too tainted to be of any further use.

Giuliani has no role in the Trump administration. He just replaced Michael Cohen as Trump's bag man and fix it guy.

Stacyhs 27th September 2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12835948)
Out of curorisity I watched Spicer on Dancing With The Stars, and Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly he ain't....

He's not even Elaine Benis.

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dudalb 27th September 2019 04:54 PM

We have our first casualty from the Ukraine scandleL Kurt Volker, Trump's Special envoy to Ukraine, has gone bye bye.
And no doubt he is lawyering up bigtime as we speak. You know the House Committee has a few questions for him....

Craig4 27th September 2019 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12835948)
Out of curorisity I watched Spicer on Dancing With The Stars, and Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly he ain't....

No. He looked like he was doing steps from Von Steuben's drill manual to a Latin beat with a gun to his head.

d4m10n 27th September 2019 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12835971)
He looked like he was doing steps from Von Steuben's drill manual to a Latin beat with a gun to his head.

But other than that, how was the press conference?

a_unique_person 27th September 2019 07:42 PM

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Washington: Kurt Volker, a former US ambassador to NATO caught in the middle of a whistleblower complaint over the President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine, has resigned from his post as special envoy to the Eastern European nation.
A US official said Volker told Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Friday (Saturday AEST) of his decision to leave the job, following disclosures that he had connected Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani with Ukrainian officials to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his family over allegedly corrupt business dealings.
https://www.theage.com.au/world/nort...28-p52vrt.html

Foolmewunz 27th September 2019 09:09 PM

I don't know if Volker qualifies for being thrown under the bus. Maybe a minibus?

They're gonna need a London double-decker to get all the people Donnie Johnny wants to throw under one. Everyone's fair game. The winner of the Bolton/Pompeo struggle probably goes down before Rudi if he contradicts Rudi's assertions that he was working for State.

Follow the Hannity interview. We know that's the guy what's got Trump's ear. Hannity and Rudi were spinning the dirt-finding missions as Rudi doing his "patriotic duty".

I think Barr's in for questioning first, though. If Donnie's getting desperate he could thrown Barr under the bus, first, knowing that sane people everywhere want him out. They haven't really come up with a good narrative for what the hell business the US AG had talking to officials in the Ukraine, and Barr's belief that His DoJ is the defense council for the White House could get him hung.

I think a cement overcoat is the only way to stop Rudi. He's so ****** up that if Trump releases him or "accepts his resignation" he might show up the next day on The View talking about the great times he and Donnie had together on Paedophile Island with Jeffrey. He's just plain damned dangerous.

As to Rudi's role? I think from his bragging with Hannity that he really was the instigator of much of this. He's been priming the Get Dirt on Biden pump for almost a year. He knows how to play Donnie and getting the world's most paranoid president to get behind such a puny conspiracy theory is child's play.

The fact that he said to Hannity that he'd told him of his involvement "back in January", and Hannity nodded assent, would go far to suggesting that Trump also knew of this back then. Both Hannity and Giuliani have their heads so far up Trump's ass that there's no room for Devin.

The Great Zaganza 28th September 2019 12:04 AM

Conspiracy.

Craig4 28th September 2019 02:49 AM

More of the people the whistleblower talked to will come forward eventually. If he finds out who they were and fires them now, the most dangerous place in DC will be in between them and CNN's studios.

alfaniner 28th September 2019 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12835971)
No. He looked like he was doing steps from Von Steuben's drill manual to a Latin beat with a gun to his head.

As jaw-droppingly horrifying as I found that sequence, I do have to admit that Spicer totally owned it, and looked to be enjoying it.

Craig4 28th September 2019 05:35 AM

Really? I though the smile seems forced and his upper body rather rigid.

quadraginta 28th September 2019 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12834927)
I don't think so. He's the guy Trump has to keep close. If anyone has the goods to take down Trump, it's him.


Isn't that what everyone was saying about Cohen?

And he had recordings.

The Great Zaganza 28th September 2019 07:11 AM

Rudi is a terrible witness, just like Cohen. Without corroboration, what he says and said might be useful to get subpoenas but little else.

dudalb 28th September 2019 10:47 PM

WAPO reports the Mulcahy might be on thin ice, since he is being blamed for the White House being totally unprepared for the impeachment inquiry.

Foolmewunz 28th September 2019 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12837240)
WAPO reports the Mulcahy might be on thin ice, since he is being blamed for the White House being totally unprepared for the impeachment inquiry.

?????

Mulvaney?

Craig4 29th September 2019 05:17 AM

Most presidents don't need their chief of staff to have a plan for how to deal with the blowback from when their attempts to shakedown another country using taxpayer money for dirt on a political opponent become public knowledge.

Foolmewunz 29th September 2019 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12837396)
Most presidents don't need their chief of staff to have a plan for how to deal with the blowback from when their attempts to shakedown another country using taxpayer money for dirt on a political opponent become public knowledge.

Maybe Don Jr. will call Mick into the den.....


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dudalb 29th September 2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12837261)
?????

Mulvaney?

Yes,that is who I meant.
He is taking a lot of heat behind the scenes for the total confusion the White House is in.

dudalb 29th September 2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 12837396)
Most presidents don't need their chief of staff to have a plan for how to deal with the blowback from when their attempts to shakedown another country using taxpayer money for dirt on a political opponent become public knowledge.

I am not so sure about that. The COS is pretty much responsible for anythiing to do with how the white house is orangized and ran, and the feeling is he should have had at least a contingincy plan for an impeachment. Apparently the White House had nothing. As much as I hate Donnie, I think he might be justifed in thinking that Mulvaney let him down badly on this.

Segnosaur 29th September 2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12837904)
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Most presidents don't need their chief of staff to have a plan for how to deal with the blowback from when their attempts to shakedown another country using taxpayer money for dirt on a political opponent become public knowledge.
I am not so sure about that. The COS is pretty much responsible for anythiing to do with how the white house is orangized and ran, and the feeling is he should have had at least a contingincy plan for an impeachment. Apparently the White House had nothing. As much as I hate Donnie, I think he might be justifed in thinking that Mulvaney let him down badly on this.

The problem is, the way to handle a particular impeachment inquiry will probably depend on what crimes the impeachment is involved with, so its kind of hard to prepare for every possible contingency. So unless Mulaney was told by Trump "By the way, I'm planning on abusing my power by demanding Ukraine investigate Biden's son", its kind of hard for him to develop any sort of contingency.

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing him tossed out, as a warning to all other Trump brown-nosers: "This is what loyalty to Stubby McBonespurs gets you".

acbytesla 29th September 2019 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12837904)
I am not so sure about that. The COS is pretty much responsible for anythiing to do with how the white house is orangized and ran, and the feeling is he should have had at least a contingincy plan for an impeachment. Apparently the White House had nothing. As much as I hate Donnie, I think he might be justifed in thinking that Mulvaney let him down badly on this.

Ordinarily I would agree. But this is Trump we're talking about. A man who listens to no one. He compartmentalises almost everything he does and always thinks he's smarter than everyone else. It wouldn't surprise me at all that Mulvaney didn't have a clue what Rudy and Trump were doing. Any other COS, that would probably be unheard of. Mulvaney isn't Trump's Haldemann.

Norman Alexander 29th September 2019 06:59 PM

If Mulvaney gets fired, who is going to be brave enough to fill that position? I imagine you could hear people running away for miles...

Foolmewunz 29th September 2019 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12837901)
Yes,that is who I meant.
He is taking a lot of heat behind the scenes for the total confusion the White House is in.

He's taking far too much heat for not being prepared for being blindsided by Helpless and Hopeless (Giuliani and Trump). Methinks there's a good conspiracy available here between the lines. Mulvaney was the one who was tasked with holding back the funds. Possibly (we're in CT territory here, after all) he wouldn't fall on the sword for the Miscreant in Chief, i.e. he was requested to say it was all his own idea?

Or he's just a handy toadie to throw under the bus.

Norman Alexander 29th September 2019 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12838118)
Or he's just a handy toadie to throw under the bus.

Everyone in the White House is handy to throw under a bus. That includes family.

Craig4 1st October 2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander (Post 12838081)
If Mulvaney gets fired, who is going to be brave enough to fill that position? I imagine you could hear people running away for miles...

It's going to be a real failed genetic experiment, someone who barely registers as human. Someone so stupid briefing them will be like paper training a developmentally delayed puppy. Obviously, it will be one of Trump's spawn.

Oystein 4th October 2019 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz (Post 12837261)
?????

Mulvaney?

Ya know what? While reading the last couple of pages of this thread, I started wondering who the current WH Chief of Staff is - and it didn't even ring a bell when the names Mulcahy/Mulvaney/Mulaney were offered.

How could the CoS be so much under my radar?

Doubt 4th October 2019 09:38 AM

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...-resign-000189

Rick is out next month.

It is a shame he is leaving now that he knows the name of the agency and what it does.

Looks like he may not be a fan of Trump sized conflicts of interest.

Trebuchet 4th October 2019 10:02 AM

Oh, THAT Rick. The Secretary of I-Forget-The-Other one. I'd almost forgotten him.

d4m10n 4th October 2019 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 12844273)
Oh, THAT Rick. The Secretary of I-Forget-The-Other one. I'd almost forgotten him.

I expect his name will come up soon in L'affaire Ukrainienne, since he was tapped to interface with their gov't awhile back.

dudalb 4th October 2019 11:34 AM

I think, if this goes on, even more rats will abandon the sinking ship.

d4m10n 5th October 2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12844276)
I expect his name will come up soon in L'affaire Ukrainienne, since he was tapped to interface with their gov't awhile back.

Nailed it! :p

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1180483815539654656

Regnad Kcin 5th October 2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12837904)
I am not so sure about that. The COS is pretty much responsible for anythiing to do with how the white house is orangized and ran, and the feeling is he should have had at least a contingincy plan for an impeachment. Apparently the White House had nothing. As much as I hate Donnie, I think he might be justifed in thinking that Mulvaney let him down badly on this.

Snort.

The Great Zaganza 5th October 2019 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12845350)

Trump wants to make sure everyone in an accomplice.

d4m10n 5th October 2019 05:45 PM

OMFG it just gets better

https://amp.axios.com/trump-blamed-r...54b0565d4.html

a_unique_person 5th October 2019 10:23 PM

That's what friends are for. So you can push them under the bus

Foolmewunz 6th October 2019 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by d4m10n (Post 12845824)

It was a perfect call. Shifty made up all those things and should be arrested. Besides, as Rudi tells us, there's nothing wrong with it. No quid pro quo nor even tit (tee hee, I said "tit") for tat. Besides, it wasn't my idea. I'm such a wienie that all it takes is some secretary who I hate to manipulate me.


Somehow I think they're taking turns shooting themselves in alternate feet. So far, we've got Barr, Pompeo, Trump, Giuliani and Perry. They've gotta find a way to get Bear-Huntin' Betsy and Hollywood Tim in there. And it's a shame that Ukrainians are too white to have drawn Miller's attention; we could get a straight flush of his more dangerous sycophants.

jimbob 6th October 2019 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 12804074)
That's what I think will happen. It will lurch around for a while, looking less functional, and then, when it looks like a more of a liability than an asset to their careers, the Republicans will abandon it and it will sink suddenly. At the moment it's shipping in water, but is just about going.

And because it has such an unattractive personality, there won't be residual loyalty to it, in fact even its political allies, would probably console themselves with the thought that even if they're doomed, they can cause it humiliation and damage.

One can hope

It looks as though Nate Silver has similar reasoning:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...en-all-at-once

Craig4 6th October 2019 05:52 AM

If Pompaus means what he says about following the law, that could be enough to get him fired. It doesn't look like Rick Perry took the hint on the Ukraine call so he might be out too.

dudalb 7th October 2019 04:50 PM

He just threw the Kurds in Syria under the Bus...….

d4m10n 7th October 2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 12847943)
He just threw the Kurds in Syria under the Bus....

No one will get fired for this.

Americans throw the Kurds under the bus every generation or so.


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