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wareyin 30th October 2020 05:51 AM

That Tucker Carlson story just keeps getting weirder. Now Carlson says he had made a copy of the info on his lost jump drive. That means he had these important but mysterious documents the entire time he was on his show claiming he didn't have them. The lost package turns out to have been a jump drive, and it was found by UPS. So now Carlson not only never lost the only copy of these documents as he claimed, but he even has the one copy that was lost. Did he then reveal them on his show, now that nothing is missing and they were so utterly earth shattering like he claimed? No. He decided he didn't want to pile on Hunter Biden anymore. Lolwut?

The Don 30th October 2020 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13274840)
That Tucker Carlson story just keeps getting weirder. Now Carlson says he had made a copy of the info on his lost jump drive. That means he had these important but mysterious documents the entire time he was on his show claiming he didn't have them. The lost package turns out to have been a jump drive, and it was found by UPS. So now Carlson not only never lost the only copy of these documents as he claimed, but he even has the one copy that was lost. Did he then reveal them on his show, now that nothing is missing and they were so utterly earth shattering like he claimed? No. He decided he didn't want to pile on Hunter Biden anymore. Lolwut?

Deep state finally got to him :rolleyes:

varwoche 30th October 2020 06:15 AM

If enough laptops emerge, statistically one of them may be Hunter Biden's, just as it may be your discarded unit.

Bogative 30th October 2020 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13274606)
I have listened to the whole interview, but don't want to replay the hourlong thing to catch this bit. If you are willing and can get a timestamp I'll look. I listened to the audio after I read the delaware.com story and didn't catch this alleged discrepancy, and I'm trained to spot that kind of stuff. Could have missed it though.

6:00

Bogative 30th October 2020 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13274681)
"Founded by John Soloman [sic]". Enough said, really. But for those who are unaware of Solomon's work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S...tor)#Reception



There's more on that page, too, but that should give people enough information to judge.


Your point? Do you believe Solomon faked the document or altered it in some way? Or is this your way of casting doubt on what Mac Isaac's lawyer says in the document because you don't like who linked to it?

Foggy of the Fogbow 30th October 2020 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13274840)
Tucker Carlson ... decided he didn't want to pile on Hunter Biden anymore. Lolwut?

And he said the main REASON he wasn't going to disclose any more "damning" documents about Hunter was ... wait for it ...

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He's not running for president.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...s-hunter-biden

Huh.

So since he's not running for president, all this crap about Hunter Biden is irrelevant.

Well, thanks for that, MotherTucker!

Craig4 30th October 2020 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13274721)
tucker gets a reality check every time he gets the number of advertiser revenue - it's not getting bigger.
Tucker made it because of Trump, and he needs to be both clever and lucky not to get voted out alongside him.

My Pillow boy will soon be his only advertiser. Fox can't be pleased.

Bogative 30th October 2020 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wareyin (Post 13274716)
I see, now you are claiming he routinely leaves 3 laptops in Delaware, where he doesn't live or work, "for business"? Do you have any experience with business people or with laptops in general?
Also, it's actually incumbent on you and your side to prove Hunter was in that repair shop that day, not my job to prove he wasn't.

No, I'm pointing out the argument that Hunter couldn't possibly have three laptops in Delaware because he lives in California is ridiculous.



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I see. They're plainly not the same, but you want to assume they are until an expert tells you they aren't? Given how quickly you swallow John Isaac Peter Paul and Mary's claim to be the top guy at Apple, I would have thought you'd accept any claim.
Let's just say I prefer the opinion of someone who is "authorized."




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I'm going by the fact that he didn't leave contact info as evidence that he refused to leave contact info. I get that this may be confusing to you, but it's pretty basic stuff.
What's blurred out under Hunter's name on the work order?



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In other interviews, John Claude claims he didn't know who the laptop belonged to, he assumed it was Hunter Biden's because of a sticker for a charity that Hunter did not work for was on the laptop. That's a strange claim to make if he had Hunter's contact information.
Back to lying again. He said the man who dropped the laptop off was Hunter Biden, he said he didn't recognize Hunter Biden because he didn't know what Hunter Biden looked like at the time. He also said it was Hunter's laptop because of personal information found on it. I'm not sure why you keep harping on the Beau Biden foundation sticker, that was a minor part of the story.



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Because when directly asked that question, John Luke said "no comment." Not "yes I called him".
I've listened to the recording multiple times, that is not what he said.



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Are you not familiar with the concept of companies authorizing properly trained and certified people to work on their products? I doubt that, so playing dumb is not helping your case.
I'm perfectly aware. In fact, I've had an authorized repair man in my house working on my computer, once. The other half dozen times I took it to the local "unauthorized" repair man because I didn't want to hassle with dealing with the manufacturer, it's much easier to go to the local guy.


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Nope. John Paul Isaac Bob Fred claimed his "medical condition" means he can't see well enough to see a person standing 2 or 3 feet away. That bad eyesight means he can't see well enough to open up the guts of a laptop either.
Is it your belief that the computers are repairing themselves at Mac's shop?



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The hard drive Giuliani got from the Ukraine by way of a blind Delaware guy, plus the original 3 laptops he claimed plus the 2 more laptops he claims Derkach has still equals at least 5 though.
Again, Giuliani did not claim to have 3 laptops.

JoeMorgue 30th October 2020 07:08 AM

WE DON'T HAVE TO DISPROVE THINGS WHEN NO EVIDENCE THEY ARE TRUE IN THE FIRST PLACE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

STOP TRYING TO REVERSE THE BURDEN OF PROOF WITH YOUR "CAN YOU PROVE A NEGATIVE" NONSENSE.

Thank you this has been a public service announcement from the "How Discussions Work" Task Force.

varwoche 30th October 2020 07:19 AM

At least understand this: Except for the ever-patient warein* who actually tries, you are objects of mockery here.

* i can never find the emoji of man banging head on desk

slyjoe 30th October 2020 07:26 AM

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wareyin 30th October 2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
No, I'm pointing out the argument that Hunter couldn't possibly have three laptops in Delaware because he lives in California is ridiculous.

Yet, in your opinion the argument that he would carry 3 broken laptops from California to Delaware to find a shop to repair them when he had multiple authorized places within 10 miles of his house is sound?

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
Let's just say I prefer the opinion of someone who is "authorized."

Whatever you can cling to to continue believing, eh?

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
What's blurred out under Hunter's name on the work order?

I'm going to guess "c/o Andriy Derkach, Ukraine, or Rudy Giuliani"


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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
Back to lying again. He said the man who dropped the laptop off was Hunter Biden, he said he didn't recognize Hunter Biden because he didn't know what Hunter Biden looked like at the time. He also said it was Hunter's laptop because of personal information found on it. I'm not sure why you keep harping on the Beau Biden foundation sticker, that was a minor part of the story.

I don't doubt that in one of the several different tellings of the story that's what he said. But he also said that he couldn't see who dropped of the laptop due to a medical condition and that he only realized it was Hunter Biden's laptop because it had the Beau Biden sticker on it. Minor or no, that was repair guy's original story.

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
I've listened to the recording multiple times, that is not what he said.

I've pointed out many times that he has given different stories. Minoosh has even supplied you with the "no comment" sourced from a Delaware newspaper.

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
I'm perfectly aware. In fact, I've had an authorized repair man in my house working on my computer, once. The other half dozen times I took it to the local "unauthorized" repair man because I didn't want to hassle with dealing with the manufacturer, it's much easier to go to the local guy.

Just out of curiosity, was the "local guy" thousands of miles farther away than the authorized guy? Hell, there were and are closer authorized Apple shops to Hunter's dad's house (as you guys seem to think Hunter was staying over at Joe's place so being "only" 15 miles from Joe's house is important.)


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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
Is it your belief that the computers are repairing themselves at Mac's shop?

Do we know he does any repairs at all? Or did Giuliani pay him enough to make up this story to keep his shop afloat?
Eta: looks like the guy has a GoFundMe set up, so he's trying to cash in more than whatever he got from Giuliani.



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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274891)
Again, Giuliani did not claim to have 3 laptops.

You're falling behind. Now we're up to 6 Hunter Biden laptops out there.

pgwenthold 30th October 2020 08:33 AM

As I said before, I don't even bother to have a laptop 'repaired" and I'm not a millionaire. I have a problem with a laptop I get it replaced. Any critical data is backed up. If there were critical data he needed to get off it, he wouldn't have abandoned it.

None of this passes the laugh test.

Venom 30th October 2020 09:29 AM

https://fulbright.edu.vn/statement-r...opher-balding/

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In a recently published story “How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge,” NBC News reported that Dr. Christopher Balding is an associate professor at Fulbright University Vietnam. In fact, Dr. Balding has not been employed by the University since September 10, 2020 when his contract was not renewed.

The University has asked NBC News to update its story by clarifying that Dr. Balding is not employed by Fulbright University Vietnam, nor is he associated with the university in any way.

The Fulbright community expects its member to hold the highest standards of integrity and excellence. Regrettably, Dr. Balding’s action does not reflect the values of this institution.

Squeegee Beckenheim 30th October 2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13274873)
Your point? Do you believe Solomon faked the document or altered it in some way? Or is this your way of casting doubt on what Mac Isaac's lawyer says in the document because you don't like who linked to it?

My point is that if John Solomon said that was water was wet I'd have to dip my hand in it to check. My base assumption is that anybody who deliberately seeks out Solomon (or Solomon's publication) to disseminate information is likely disseminating lies.

timhau 30th October 2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum (Post 13274826)
I was just thinking about how uninteresting this story really is, deep down. If Hunter Biden were instead named Hunter Smith, nobody would have heard about it. It wouldn't have even made the local news in a sleepy town.

That's where you're wrong. He'd be known in local media as "Hunter Smith, the guy who loses an average of two laptops a week."

Babbylonian 30th October 2020 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13275074)
That's where you're wrong. He'd be known in local media as "Hunter Smith, the guy who loses an average of two laptops a week."

I should think that the local consumer reporter would be publicizing the local computer repair shop that looks for reasons to keep customers' property and/or examines personal information in computers.

Seriously, the computer repair scum, if we're to believe one of his contradictory narratives, acted in an extremely unethical manner. Even if you're claiming a computer as abandoned, that gives you no right to the information stored on it. Even if you were charged to back up the data, it gives you no right to examine the data being backed up.

If a computer repair place treated my property like this, I would do my best to put them out of business.

Dr. Keith 30th October 2020 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by timhau (Post 13275074)
That's where you're wrong. He'd be known in local media as "Hunter Smith, the guy who loses an average of two laptops a week."

Hunter Biden has as many ex-laptops as Trump has ex-wives.

Hunter Biden goes through laptops like Trump goes through bankruptcies.

Hunter Biden's laptops last as long as a Director of Communications in the Trump administration.

Hunter Biden's laptops are as disposable as attendees at a Trump rally.

Dr. Keith 30th October 2020 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13275081)
I should think that the local consumer reporter would be publicizing the local computer repair shop that looks for reasons to keep customers' property and/or examines personal information in computers.

Seriously, the computer repair scum, if we're to believe one of his contradictory narratives, acted in an extremely unethical manner. Even if you're claiming a computer as abandoned, that gives you no right to the information stored on it. Even if you were charged to back up the data, it gives you no right to examine the data being backed up.

If a computer repair place treated my property like this, I would do my best to put them out of business.

The only reason they aren't being sued for this is that it didn't happen.

Checkmite 30th October 2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow (Post 13274876)
And he said the main REASON he wasn't going to disclose any more "damning" documents about Hunter was ... wait for it ...

lol

So the "October Surprise" has apparently dispersed like a fart in the wind.

Bogative 30th October 2020 11:22 AM

Back in 2011, when Joe Biden was VP, Hunter Biden's business partner Sean Conlon sent this email to Hunter:
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“So we have engagement letter if they get other 10 bonds they have a face value of 10b. While it is far fetched Devon said he talked to his professor and these get traded. We get 10% in fees. We need to get these guys to an event or something where they get to just formally meet your Dad. For follow on they can talk to Chief of Staff. Let me know how soon we can do that. V brief. If Nagi get that done we get more bonds to move. Regards your hard working partner in Positano! Sean”
Why would Hunter's business partner have the impression that it was okay to ask for access to Hunter's daddy to help close a potential $1 billion deal?

Surely it was just a moment of bad judgment on Conlon's part and Hunter Biden took a stand for his family's honor and good name and set his business partner straight by telling him no and to never ask again because it was unethical and inappropriate!?

Uh, no. He replied:
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Ok-what do we need to do to move forward
I know, I know, nothing to see here, move along, orange man bad.

Dr. Keith 30th October 2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13275118)
I know, I know, nothing to see here, move along, orange man bad.

I mean, yeah. It's not like there's a third option at this point.

Orange man brags about doing this sort of **** out in the open and you want us to vote for him because there is an email of questionable provenance that maybe Joe's son attempted to do this on the down low nine years ago. No comparison for most voters.

This is why I didn't vote for Biden in the primaries, but did vote for him last week. It is really quite simple.

Stacyhs 30th October 2020 12:04 PM

I think Bogative, Bubba, and Tahini should, like Jack Dawson in Titanic, know when to stop clinging to the floating debris and just let go. They're only prolonging their own suffering.

Dr. Keith 30th October 2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13275154)
I think Bogative, Bubba, and Tahini should, like Jack Dawson in Titanic, know when to stop clinging to the floating debris and just let go. They're only prolonging their own suffering.

The real question is whether she was worth it.

I have to laugh that they think Trump was worth it.

Stacyhs 30th October 2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith (Post 13275196)
The real question is whether she was worth it.

I have to laugh that they think Trump was worth it.

At least Rose loved Jack. Trump doesn't give two ***** about any of his cultists. That they don't realize that is the real pity.

JoeMorgue 30th October 2020 01:16 PM

Because they don't care about Trump or how much he hurts them as long as he hurts the Liberals more.

Imagine Jack giving two middle fingers, laughing gleefully, as he slips beneath the waves because he wants to "Live Rent Free" in the Iceberg's head and that's more where they are at.

Foggy of the Fogbow 30th October 2020 02:00 PM

Orange man bad. :thumbsup:

Gulliver Foyle 30th October 2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13274545)
Tucker knows Trump is going down.

He's probably gotten a stiff Solicitor's letter to which he's just realised he can't write an Arkell vs Pressdram reply to.

Tero 30th October 2020 02:34 PM

Running out of October. We are reduced to Trump and Biden masks at Halloween parties. But no parties.

Gulliver Foyle 30th October 2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13274759)
The Giuliani led Hunter Biden thing was preceded by a fake "intelligence" document produced by a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, written by the non existing security analyst Martin Aspen.

The document asserts an elaborate conspiracy theory involving Joe Biden's son and business in China.

It (obviously) went viral on the right wing web.


Although this is apparently not the garbage peddled by Giuliani and Bannon recently, notice the involvement of Bannon's pal Guo Wengui.

The picture of "Aspen" in the article bears a striking resemblance to Obi Wan Kenobi from the Star Wars film.

eerok 30th October 2020 05:53 PM

I'm shocked, I say. Shocked.

How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge [nbcnews.com]
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A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."

Venom 30th October 2020 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13275482)

And the dead end is that Christopher Balding won't reveal the name of the real author to protect him.

Ooooookayy then....

And I felt similarly about Christopher Steele's anonymous sources.

varwoche 30th October 2020 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13275483)
And the dead end is that Christopher Balding won't reveal the name of the real author to protect him.

Ooooookayy then....

And I felt similarly about Christopher Steele's anonymous sources.

A key difference being, Steele framed his intel as raw and unverified.

Skeptic Ginger 30th October 2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by varwoche (Post 13275487)
A key difference being, Steele framed his intel as raw and unverified.

And Steele wasn't a Trump lackey like Giuliani.

Foggy of the Fogbow 30th October 2020 06:08 PM

Pecker Plucker Giuliani, I call him. That man seems to be a bit deranged.

Checkmite 30th October 2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eerok (Post 13275482)

This story broke yesterday - and just for the sake of people who weren't aware of it and didn't have a chance to put it all together: this story is why Tucker Carlson spontaneously decided last night to so magnanimously back off of Hunter Biden even though he had just regained possession the Sooper Sekrit Documents With Devastating Revelations About The Biden Crime Family. Once NBC's expose revealed the "Hunter Biden China collusion" story to be literal fiction, Carlson risked losing a libel lawsuit if he continued to push those claims.

eerok 30th October 2020 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13275483)
And I felt similarly about Christopher Steele's anonymous sources.

Nothing that Christopher Steele offered had this level of stink on it.

Craig4 30th October 2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13275118)
Back in 2011, when Joe Biden was VP, Hunter Biden's business partner Sean Conlon sent this email to Hunter:

Why would Hunter's business partner have the impression that it was okay to ask for access to Hunter's daddy to help close a potential $1 billion deal?

Surely it was just a moment of bad judgment on Conlon's part and Hunter Biden took a stand for his family's honor and good name and set his business partner straight by telling him no and to never ask again because it was unethical and inappropriate!?

Uh, no. He replied:

I know, I know, nothing to see here, move along, orange man bad.

I just don't care. I figure my chances of not getting Covid and becoming seriously ill are better under Biden than Trump. That's all I care about. If sacrificing Trump improves my chances even a little bit, he's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

wareyin 30th October 2020 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Venom (Post 13275483)
And the dead end is that Christopher Balding won't reveal the name of the real author to protect him.

Ooooookayy then....

And I felt similarly about Christopher Steele's anonymous sources.

After first claiming he didn't write any of the report, Balding now admits to writing some of the report. Give it another month, he'll be admitting he wrote the whole thing.

Stacyhs 30th October 2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Foggy of the Fogbow (Post 13275494)
Pecker Plucker Giuliani, I call him. That man seems to be a bit deranged.

He is not a bit deranged!

He's gone full deranged.


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