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bruto 11th June 2022 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by trustbutverify (Post 13830511)
You just can't get anything right, can you?

On a lighter note, could you maybe cut out the fake broken English... it's getting really annoying.

But fake broken English at least requires some thought. What if that is one's last link to reality? Be careful what you ask for. Remember we're in the age of Trump, so when you ask yourself, "could it get any worse?" the answer is always "yes."

Gaetan 11th June 2022 03:55 PM

Joe Biden is corrupted but he also has a son deeply involve in corruption in Ukraine and this cause the misery of Ukrainians, you won't hear it on news because they are also corrupted. Abolish money and guns is a must.

The Man 12th June 2022 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13828795)
Like what?

It's called gunsmithing, it is both a business and a hobby for some people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmith

Gaetan 12th June 2022 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 13831242)
It's called gunsmithing, it is both a business and a hobby for some people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmith

A guy was watching the videos and did the samething, he killed 2 persons and got 25 years in jail, i don't thing the guy is the true responsible but the guys producing that kind of videos. Poisons in the society made for profit kill a lot of people. They wouldn't have enough scientists to watch these criminal they produce new poisons every day. Poisons kill millions of people every year in US by chance sperm produces the equivalent. You won't get rid of these poisons if you don't get rid of money.

jimbob 12th June 2022 11:44 PM

Mod Warning The OP is apparently about the arguments in favour or against the need for weapons, not Jesus Christ, nor whether individuals should be responsible for actions of other members of whatever constitutes their community, which I am sure are fascinating topics for their own threads
Responding to this mod box in thread will be off topic Posted By:jimbob

The Man 13th June 2022 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13831271)
A guy was watching the videos and did the samething, he killed 2 persons and got 25 years in jail, i don't thing the guy is the true responsible but the guys producing that kind of videos. Poisons in the society made for profit kill a lot of people. They wouldn't have enough scientists to watch these criminal they produce new poisons every day. Poisons kill millions of people every year in US by chance sperm produces the equivalent. You won't get rid of these poisons if you don't get rid of money.


What gunsmithing videos are you talking about?

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gunsmith noun

gun·​smith | \ ˈgən-ˌsmith \
Definition of gunsmith
: one who designs, makes, or repairs small firearms
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gunsmith

Gunsmithing doesn't involve killing people, "Poisons", "sperm" or whomever you might think "is the true responsible" for whatever.

While there are some particular concerns in design, materials and tolerancing it is still just machining and assembling of components. Within the capabilities of most precision manufacturing facilities. Heck, with modern CNC equipment and current screw machines, just about anyone with basic set up capability can produce large volumes of precision components. The only way to get rid of the capability to produce guns is to get rid of all manufacturing all together and even then someone could rig something. The first firearms were basicity just cast tubes stuffed with black powder and projectiles. Heck, someone even designed a 3D printable gun but as I recall it wasn't very durable.

arthwollipot 13th June 2022 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13830981)
Abolish money and guns is a must.

I agree. What's your plan?

arthwollipot 22nd June 2022 08:16 PM

What's your plan for abolishing guns and money?

Gaetan 25th June 2022 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13839425)
What's your plan for abolishing guns and money?

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

Craig4 25th June 2022 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

We're not going to do that.

wollery 26th June 2022 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

I repeat my question asked several weeks ago, as you never answered it.

Have you ever actually met a living human being?

I merely ask because you seem to have no idea what humans are like.

The Man 26th June 2022 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

Again, how are your unarmed police going to get guns from armed people whom you already well know don't want to willingly give them up?

Again, what happens to signatory countries who don't actually abide by such a "resolution"?

"no prison, no fine"? Does that include when they use those guns they don't want to give up?


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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

What products do I sell to Czechoslovakia such that I can order something from Czechoslovakia?

arthwollipot 26th June 2022 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

And if I ask you how to win the war in Russia, will your answer be "first, win the war"?

How do you propose we abolish guns and money? What's your proposed plan?

Pope130 26th June 2022 08:04 PM

Wait a minute here, you want to ban Guns and Money, what about Lawyers?

8enotto 26th June 2022 08:14 PM

Get rid of guns and money, lawyers won't have clients or any incentive to work.

Crossbow 27th June 2022 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13841332)
You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

Your plan is completely worthless, completely thoughtless and completely impractical.

The Man 27th June 2022 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pope130 (Post 13842195)
Wait a minute here, you want to ban Guns and Money, what about Lawyers?

Who do you think will craft the law that bans Guns and Money, as well as both challenge and defend that law?

So counter to what Shakespeare said, they have to be, at least, third on the list


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Originally Posted by 8enotto (Post 13842199)
Get rid of guns and money, lawyers won't have clients or any incentive to work.

Nor will anyone else.

arthwollipot 27th June 2022 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13842352)
Your plan is completely worthless, completely thoughtless and completely impractical.

It's not a plan at all. It's a goal aspiration. I want to know if Gaetan has thought this through sufficiently to have an actual plan.

junkshop 27th June 2022 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13843046)
It's not a plan at all. It's a goal aspiration. I want to know if Gaetan has thought this through sufficiently to have an actual plan.

By this point you already know the answer to that.

arthwollipot 27th June 2022 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by junkshop (Post 13843060)
By this point you already know the answer to that.

Of course I do. But does Gaetan?

Dave Rogers 27th June 2022 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13843061)
Of course I do. But does Gaetan?

By this point you already know the answer to that too.

Dave

arthwollipot 27th June 2022 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers (Post 13843064)
By this point you already know the answer to that too.

I guess that's true, but if I can get Gaetan to think even just a little bit about it, then it will have been effort well spent.

bruto 2nd July 2022 02:07 PM

I hope you gauge the usefulness of the effort by its benefit to you, so as not to waste it all.

Gaetan 4th July 2022 06:49 PM

Biden sheds tears over the Chicago shooting but they are crocodile tears, this hypocrite is the world's biggest arms dealer. They have nice words to have votes but they do the opposite in practice.

arthwollipot 4th July 2022 06:56 PM

Right, because providing weapons and logistical support to a country defending itself against a hostile aggressor is exactly the same as enabling someone to murder families and children at a fourth of July parade.

Gaetan 4th July 2022 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13848327)
Right, because providing weapons and logistical support to a country defending itself against a hostile aggressor is exactly the same as enabling someone to murder families and children at a fourth of July parade.

The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

Little 10 Toes 4th July 2022 07:15 PM

no, the weapons sold to the Ukraine are for defense from the Russians.

arthwollipot 4th July 2022 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848334)
The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

Who do you think I voted for?

The Man 5th July 2022 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848334)
The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

By your own assertions not giving or having weapons themselves does not forestall people from becoming victims of gun violence. How many of those victims, in the Chicago shooting you mention, were armed with firearms?

Again, such arms don't have to be given or sold they can simply be and are made, by someone. That the producer may not be the user in some cases certainly doesn't preclude them from being the same.

Gaetan 5th July 2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 13848529)
By your own assertions not giving or having weapons themselves does not forestall people from becoming victims of gun violence. How many of those victims, in the Chicago shooting you mention, were armed with firearms?

Again, such arms don't have to be given or sold they can simply be and are made, by someone. That the producer may not be the user in some cases certainly doesn't preclude them from being the same.

It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

NATO gave lots of weapons in Ukraine but at the end it will only make more people killed, hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed. You got to look at what it will come in practice.

The Man 5th July 2022 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848721)
It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

Well, then cite your proof. Again, by just your own assertions simply being unarmed does not prevent one from being such a victim

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848721)
NATO gave lots of weapons in Ukraine but at the end it will only make more people killed, hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed. You got to look at what it will come in practice.

Again statements without proof or citation, we can both do that. If Ukrainians were fighting with less effective weapons more of them would likely be killed "hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed". They will likely fight and die with whatever then can, so giving them better weapons makes them more effective. You simply aren't looking at "what it will come in practice".

Sure other countries gave and are giving weapons to Ukraine. However, Ukraine still had and produced its own. As I recall what purportedly sunk the Russian black sea flagship was a missile of Ukrainian design and manufacture. Remember, that Ukraine was invaded by one of the worlds largest weapons manufacturers and dealers, Russia. While I'm sure you think if they just capitulated it would save lives, but evidently those are lives the Ukrainian's don't want and they are the ones who get to decide if they want to give in or fight.

Craig4 5th July 2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848721)
It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

NATO gave lots of weapons in Ukraine but at the end it will only make more people killed, hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed. You got to look at what it will come in practice.

The only good Russian soldier is a dead Russian soldier.

Crossbow 5th July 2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848721)
It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

NATO gave lots of weapons in Ukraine but at the end it will only make more people killed, hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed. You got to look at what it will come in practice.

You constantly do this sort of thing.

You preach about how terrible the use of war weapons can be, and at the very same time you lionize the Russian attack on Ukraine which involves the use of a great deal of war weapons.

bruto 5th July 2022 02:00 PM

I suppose it is trivially true that if only the invaders and enslavers are armed, and their unamed victims just submit, fewer would be killed, at least right away, until the next ethnic cleansing, genocide, or holodomor. It is trivially true that if you never fight for what is right, you might learn instead to enjoy the relative peace of oppression, but not everyone considers the victory of evil a lesser evil than resistance. Not all of us consider the misery of all to be a good trade for the sacrifice of some.

arthwollipot 5th July 2022 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13848721)
It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

Great. Let's do that, since it's so simple. What's the first step?

Gaetan 5th July 2022 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13848892)
You constantly do this sort of thing.

You preach about how terrible the use of war weapons can be, and at the very same time you lionize the Russian attack on Ukraine which involves the use of a great deal of war weapons.

I blame NATO, their corrupted leaders and the Ukrainian government for that war not the russians.

bruto 5th July 2022 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13849002)
I blame NATO, their corrupted leaders and the Ukrainian government for that war not the russians.

Yes, you have repeatedly emphasized how wrong you are. Say it a million timrs, it's still nonsense.

Craig4 5th July 2022 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13849002)
I blame NATO, their corrupted leaders and the Ukrainian government for that war not the russians.

https://www.newsweek.com/watch-ukrai...forces-1721930

Blame them all you like; no one cares. It won't change anything. This video is of Ukrainians launching US made, highly accurate, long range rockets at Russian targets. Shortly after this video was filmed, many Russians died or were seriously injured.

trustbutverify 6th July 2022 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13849002)
I blame NATO, their corrupted leaders and the Ukrainian government for that war not the russians.

I blame Stalinist's such as yourself. As I said before, if you were serious about any of this drivel, you would demand Putler unilaterally disarm immediately, as an example to the rest of the world. But you won't, which proves you are simply a fraud.

Crossbow 6th July 2022 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13849002)
I blame NATO, their corrupted leaders and the Ukrainian government for that war not the russians.

Then you are wrong again.


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