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Gaetan 30th April 2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge (Post 13795467)
The Russian weapons are there in the hands of Russians soldiers who have come to Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.

The weapons NATO countries have supplied to Ukraine are for the defence of Ukraine and obviously not for Ukraine to attack Russia because that would be insane and obviously Ukraine had no desire whatever to do that, only to defend itself from yet another Russian attack, which you may have noticed is exactly what Russia is doing right now.

If they have weapons the russians have to get rid of it otherwise the NATO would kill them.

Craig4 1st May 2022 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795490)
If they have weapons the russians have to get rid of it otherwise the NATO would kill them.

The only Russians getting killed by NATO weapons are in Ukraine. If the stupid ***** would just go to their side of the border, the Ukrainians would stop killing the bastards.

wollery 1st May 2022 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795490)
If they have weapons the russians have to get rid of it otherwise the NATO would kill them.


Steaming pile of bovine excrement!

Gaetan 1st May 2022 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig4 (Post 13795707)
The only Russians getting killed by NATO weapons are in Ukraine. If the stupid ***** would just go to their side of the border, the Ukrainians would stop killing the bastards.

Yes but Putin is not so stupid to let NATO and all these weapons near his country. Would Kennedy let Cuba to be a threat for US? No...

eerok 1st May 2022 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795781)
Yes but Putin is not so stupid to let NATO and all these weapons near his country. Would Kennedy let Cuba to be a threat for US? No...

Complete nonsense. Ukraine presented no military threat to Russia.

Putin has really stepped in it now, though.

bruto 1st May 2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795781)
Yes but Putin is not so stupid to let NATO and all these weapons near his country. Would Kennedy let Cuba to be a threat for US? No...

Do yourself a favor and look at a map. NATO is four letters, and "MAP" is three. Even you can handle that much exercise, I think.

Not even trying to parse what you might mean by "near," two three NATO countries currently border Russia, and Poland borders Belarus. If Russia annexes Ukraine, it will automatically increase that number to seven eight. If Russia annexes Ukraine, it will be in continuous if not contiguous contact with the entire body of NATO states except for Iceland, the UK, and Norway. Ukraine has never been a member of NATO, and owing to its border ambiguities, probably never would be. Conquering Ukraine removes a buffer between Russia and NATO.

Your argument is ignorant nonsense.

ETA for all that I still came up one short, because I forgot Estonia. There are FOUR NATO nations already bordering Russia: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Norway. If Russia annexes Ukraine, it will immediately ADD Poland, Bratislava, Hungary and Romania to its list of NATO neighbors. If in response to the threat, Finland joins NATO, another will be added however the war in Ukraine comes out.

The Man 1st May 2022 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795490)
If they have weapons the russians have to get rid of it otherwise the NATO would kill them.

Does that not hold for Ukraine as well? If the Russians have weapons the Ukrainians must get rid of them or the Russians will (and are) kill(ing) them.


This puts your "What causes it" inquiry firmly at the feet of the Russians. As the instigators, invaders and for simply having weapons, as you remark above. Necessitating that the Ukrainians "have to get rid of" the Russian weapons.

Craig4 1st May 2022 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795781)
Yes but Putin is not so stupid to let NATO and all these weapons near his country. Would Kennedy let Cuba to be a threat for US? No...

Before the stupid bitch invaded, we had given Ukraine Stingers and Javelin missiles. These weapons systems have a fairly short range. To avoid being killed by these weapons, all the Russians had to do was not be in Ukraine.

We didn't give Ukraine ballistic nuclear missiles like the Soviets sent to Cuba. We gave Ukraine anti tank and anti aircraft missiles with a range of three miles (ish). This is so simple. How do you not grasp such an obvious concept?

Craig4 1st May 2022 04:10 PM

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-gener...115447368.html

I do love to see stories like this. Another Russian general killed by Ukrainians, hopefully with NATO weapons.

Gaetan 1st May 2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 13795887)
Does that not hold for Ukraine as well? If the Russians have weapons the Ukrainians must get rid of them or the Russians will (and are) kill(ing) them.


This puts your "What causes it" inquiry firmly at the feet of the Russians. As the instigators, invaders and for simply having weapons, as you remark above. Necessitating that the Ukrainians "have to get rid of" the Russian weapons.

You cannot take only the opinion of Biden or the war propaganda of your media but also the opinion of Putin

eerok 1st May 2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795947)
You cannot take only the opinion of Biden or the war propaganda of your media but also the opinion of Putin

The opinion of Putin is that Ukrainians should be murdered and their land stolen for Russia. That's why most of the world is against him.

I hope Ukraine defeats Russia and joins the EU. All they want is to live in peace.

The Man 1st May 2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795947)
You cannot take only the opinion of Biden or the war propaganda of your media but also the opinion of Putin

This was your opinion, that if country X has weapons country Y has to get rid of them (country X's weapons) otherwise country X will kill them. Don't hide from your own opinion/assertion or pretend that it is someone else's.

So again, does that assertion apply to the Ukrainian's as well, regrading them ( the Ukrainian's) having to get rid of the Russians weapons?

Gaetan 1st May 2022 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Man (Post 13795959)
This was your opinion, that if country X has weapons country Y has to get rid of them (country X's weapons) otherwise country X will kill them. Don't hide from your own opinion/assertion or pretend that it is someone else's.

So again, does that assertion apply to the Ukrainian's as well, regrading them ( the Ukrainian's) having to get rid of the Russians weapons?

Biden or the congressmen would do the same thing as Putin

bruto 1st May 2022 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795995)
Biden or the congressmen would do the same thing as Putin

No they wouldn't, or at least most sane Congressmen wouldn't, but even if they did, it would make both wrong, not either of them right. Your moral compass is broken.

arthwollipot 1st May 2022 07:21 PM

It's sad to see someone so fully taken in by Russian propaganda.

Gaetan 1st May 2022 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arthwollipot (Post 13796007)
It's sad to see someone so fully taken in by Russian propaganda.

I don't trust the media, there is no russian propaganda in Canada or US, Bush and Kennedy did the samething as Putin and the congress approved the money for that.

trustbutverify 2nd May 2022 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13796015)
I don't trust the media, there is no russian propaganda in Canada or US, Bush and Kennedy did the samething as Putin and the congress approved the money for that.

Are there computers in Canada? Because that's how Putin's ridiculous propaganda travels... the same drivel that you, coincidentally, repeat practically verbatim.

The Man 2nd May 2022 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795995)
Biden or the congressmen would do the same thing as Putin

They haven't invaded the Ukraine or even Russia, so your "would do" is rendered irrelevant by their 'haven't done'.

Since you've avoided the question again, does your assertion apply to the Ukrainian's as well, regrading them ( the Ukrainian's) having to get rid of the Russians weapons?

Crossbow 2nd May 2022 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13796015)
I don't trust the media, there is no russian propaganda in Canada or US, Bush and Kennedy did the samething as Putin and the congress approved the money for that.

Conversely, you have a great deal trust in those stupid, idiotic, worthless stories from your fairy book.

Gaetan 2nd May 2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13796339)
Conversely, you have a great deal trust in those stupid, idiotic, worthless stories from your fairy book.

Fairy books don't get money of any ways from your government that corrupt medias.

Craig4 2nd May 2022 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13795947)
You cannot take only the opinion of Biden or the war propaganda of your media but also the opinion of Putin

Putin is a problem to be solved. If he doesn't bend to Ukraine's and NATO's will, his successor will.

The Man 2nd May 2022 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13796625)
Fairy books don't get money of any ways from your government that corrupt medias.

Sure they do, they get tax exemptions and enough money from various sources to have their own dedicated media organizations.

Christian media organizations

And that is just one particular brand of religion.

Craig4 2nd May 2022 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13796015)
I don't trust the media, there is no russian propaganda in Canada or US, Bush and Kennedy did the samething as Putin and the congress approved the money for that.

Which country did either Bush or Kennedy invade for the purpose of annexing their territory and making it part of the US?

Little 10 Toes 2nd May 2022 04:55 PM

Try again in English please.

Crossbow 2nd May 2022 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13796625)
Fairy books don't get money of any ways from your government that corrupt medias.

And fairy books do not support murderers either. However, there are some sanctimonious people who do support Putin and his war against Ukraine.

The Man 3rd May 2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13796693)
And fairy books do not support murderers either. However, there are some sanctimonious people who do support Putin and his war against Ukraine.

Not to mention that the book(s) itself (themselves) is (are) a media often corrupted to the desires of the various sanctimonious sects.

Gaetan 4th May 2022 10:02 AM

The leaders of NATO tell to Putin, if you kill us, we will kill you, what a stupid answer!

Foster Zygote 4th May 2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798078)
The leaders of NATO tell to Putin, if you kill us, we will kill you, what a stupid answer!

Actually, what they're saying is, "if you attack any one of us, we'll all fight back". And it isn't really an answer, unless Putin specifically asked, "what will you do if I start killing people in your country?". Saying, "don't attack us or we'll fight back" isn't an answer, it's a statement.

Do you expect them to respond, "If you attack us, we'll just do nothing as you pick off one country after another"? That would be a stupid thing to say.

Putin was upset about the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO, because it would mean it wasn't potential prey any longer, and his fantasy of resurrecting the glory days of the USSR would slip away. He thought he'd flex his muscles and take over Ukraine, looking like a badass and intimidating everyone else. But the corruption that rotted the Soviet Union from within (which he pretended wasn't the cause of death of the Communist paradise, blaming it on Western sabotage) was carried over to the new kleptocracy that he was so instrumental in entrenching and which has carried the rot even deeper into heart of Russian society. That rot has weakened the Red Army from within. So, aside from the horrors of dead children, women and men, it's almost funny that Putin's plans have only shown the world the weaknesses of his own military, and the ineffectiveness of his sycophantic advisors. He's like a guy in a bar who tries to punch out a visibly smaller man, and audibly herniates himself in the process.

Gaetan 4th May 2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Foster Zygote (Post 13798137)
Actually, what they're saying is, "if you attack any one of us, we'll all fight back". And it isn't really an answer, unless Putin specifically asked, "what will you do if I start killing people in your country?". Saying, "don't attack us or we'll fight back" isn't an answer, it's a statement.

Do you expect them to respond, "If you attack us, we'll just do nothing as you pick off one country after another"? That would be a stupid thing to say.

Putin was upset about the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO, because it would mean it wasn't potential prey any longer, and his fantasy of resurrecting the glory days of the USSR would slip away. He thought he'd flex his muscles and take over Ukraine, looking like a badass and intimidating everyone else. But the corruption that rotted the Soviet Union from within (which he pretended wasn't the cause of death of the Communist paradise, blaming it on Western sabotage) was carried over to the new kleptocracy that he was so instrumental in entrenching and which has carried the rot even deeper into heart of Russian society. That rot has weakened the Red Army from within. So, aside from the horrors of dead children, women and men, it's almost funny that Putin's plans have only shown the world the weaknesses of his own military, and the ineffectiveness of his sycophantic advisors. He's like a guy in a bar who tries to punch out a visibly smaller man, and audibly herniates himself in the process.

It is stupid to kill the russian if Putin kills us, you gain nothing but a place to hell.

Crossbow 4th May 2022 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798078)
The leaders of NATO tell to Putin, if you kill us, we will kill you, what a stupid answer!

Once again, you do not know what you are talking about.

After all, considering that Putin is a mass murderer, that Putin is greedy corrupt thief, that Putin is a huge liar, and most recently, that Putin is a mass rapist,

Then the warning that the NATO leaders are providing to Putin is actually a very smart answer.

And if Putin does actually go to war with NATO, then Putin and his lackeys will soon Putin is the most incredibly stupid leader that Russia has ever had.

Gaetan 4th May 2022 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13798190)
Once again, you do not know what you are talking about.

After all, considering that Putin is a mass murderer, that Putin is greedy corrupt thief, that Putin is a huge liar, and most recently, that Putin is a mass rapist,

Then the warning that the NATO leaders are providing to Putin is actually a very smart answer.

And if Putin does actually go to war with NATO, then Putin and his lackeys will soon Putin is the most incredibly stupid leader that Russia has ever had.

NATO leaders should take Putin's threats seriously, he'll do every thing he has to do to win this war even using atome bombs, then civilians should leave this country. Don't forget that your country used atome bombs in Japan.

Crossbow 4th May 2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798206)
NATO leaders should take Putin's threats seriously, he'll do every thing he has to do to win this war even using atome bombs, then civilians should leave this country. Don't forget that your country used atome bombs in Japan.

If that is the case, then hopefully Putin and his stupid war will soon die.

Gaetan 4th May 2022 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13798245)
If that is the case, then hopefully Putin and his stupid war will soon die.

if it is the way biden takes it, you too

Foster Zygote 4th May 2022 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798189)
It is stupid to kill the russian if Putin kills us, you gain nothing but a place to hell.

Are you able to appreciate the difference between killing civilians (bombing a maternity hospital, for example) and killing an armed soldier who has invaded your home and is part of an army that is killing civilians?

I guess if you were in your own house and someone burst in and started shooting your family members, and you had the ability to defend your family by killing the invader, you'd just sit there passively because, to you, killing someone who's actively killing innocent people is exactly the same as killing innocent people.

If that's your god's judgement, then your god is incredibly ******* stupid.

Foster Zygote 4th May 2022 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798206)
NATO leaders should take Putin's threats seriously, he'll do every thing he has to do to win this war even using atome bombs, then civilians should leave this country. Don't forget that your country used atome bombs in Japan.

Why are you such an apologist for bullies and thugs? Do you admire them?

JoeMorgue 4th May 2022 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798254)
if it is the way biden takes it, you too

Wow you suddenly forgot how to speak English, type, and format again. Let's see how long it lasts this time.

Crossbow 4th May 2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798254)
if it is the way biden takes it, you too

Please do all of us a favor and make an effort to speak coherently.

Thank you.

Gaetan 4th May 2022 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Crossbow (Post 13798274)
Please do all of us a favor and make an effort to speak coherently.

Thank you.

joe biden will be in a bunker 600 feet under earth when you'll die of an atome bomb. You should worry about what is is doing.

JoeMorgue 4th May 2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaetan (Post 13798282)
joe biden will be in a bunker 600 feet under earth when you'll die of an atome bomb. You should worry about what is is doing.

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Gaetan 4th May 2022 01:31 PM

If they see that the conquest will cost them too much in loss of life on the Russian side they will use the atomic bomb as the Americans did in Japan


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