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Vixen 21st April 2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13459437)
lots of hitec av gear, it was fitted out as a full media centre etc apparently

...And they still have to say, 'Next slide, please'.

Vixen 21st April 2021 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13459858)
The owner of the Daily Mail newspaper and MailOnline website is suing Google over allegations the search engine manipulates search results.

Associated Newspapers accuses Google of having too much control over online advertising and of downgrading links to its stories, favouring other outlets.

Associated Newspapers' concerns stem from its assessment that its coverage of the Royal Family in 2021 has been downplayed in search results.

For example, it claims that British users searching for broadcaster Piers Morgan's comments on the Duchess of Sussex following an interview with Oprah Winfrey were more likely to see articles about Morgan produced by smaller, regional outlets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56828173

Would this be the same Associated Newspapers that bombards people with 'notifications', whether they want them or not?

Does anybody want to see Piers Morgan's advertising for his new book comments about Meghan and how she ghosted him..?

Carrot Flower King 22nd April 2021 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13460004)
Remember, next time you are in trouble at work, instead of resigning just say you “I acted with honesty and integrity” .

Unless, of course, you are Johnny Mercer, who has only just in the last couple of days noticed that this whole government is dishonest. Aaaaaah, bless, at least he got there in the end. Not the sharpest knife in the block, is he?

jimbob 22nd April 2021 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13461078)
Unless, of course, you are Johnny Mercer, who has only just in the last couple of days noticed that this whole government is dishonest. Aaaaaah, bless, at least he got there in the end. Not the sharpest knife in the block, is he?

I think his problem was that the government was acting with too much integrity for him.

If the reports are correct that he wanted immunity from prosecution for historic crimes committed by troops in Northern Ireland.

catsmate 22nd April 2021 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13461274)
I think his problem was that the government was acting with too much integrity for him.

If the reports are correct that he wanted immunity from prosecution for historic crimes committed by troops in Northern Ireland.

Well of course he did, that's why he was appointed. TBH he's never hidden the fact he wants complete immunity from civil and criminal liability for British forces, in Norn Iron and elsewhere.

Carrot Flower King 22nd April 2021 10:00 AM

Yup to both #844 and #845.

Captain_Swoop 22nd April 2021 01:20 PM

Nigel Farage: I lost 7 General Elections on the bounce. Once to a bloke in a dolphin suit.

Laurence Fox: Hold my imported lager.

jimbob 22nd April 2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13461526)
Nigel Farage: I lost 7 General Elections on the bounce. Once to a bloke in a dolphin suit.

Laurence Fox: Hold my imported lager.

To be fair, Count Binface does have a pretty good manifesto.

https://twitter.com/CountBinface/sta...019829766?s=20

He is making some serious points - just as Screaming Lord Such did with such Loony ideas as votes for 18 year olds.

Archie Gemmill Goal 22nd April 2021 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13461274)
I think his problem was that the government was acting with too much integrity for him.

If the reports are correct that he wanted immunity from prosecution for historic crimes committed by troops in Northern Ireland.

He's discovered in the last 36 hours that the Johnson government are dishonest. I'm glad to hear he's awoken from his coma but hadn't realised he was in one.

catsmate 22nd April 2021 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13461543)
To be fair, Count Binface does have a pretty good manifesto.

https://twitter.com/CountBinface/sta...019829766?s=20

Those are the kind of sensible policies London needs. He would get my vote.


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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13461543)
He is making some serious points - just as Screaming Lord Such did with such Loony ideas as votes for 18 year olds.

And he never succumbed to the pressure for cheap controversy by advocating nonsense like the abolition of slavery.

Captain_Swoop 22nd April 2021 02:58 PM

He'd have my vote if I was still in London.

Captain_Swoop 22nd April 2021 03:09 PM

According to Steven Swinford
Political Editor at The Times

Boris Johnson believes Dominic Cummings is behind a series of damaging leaks including disclosure of his text messages

No 10 source on Cummings:
'Dominic is engaged in systematic leaking. We are very disappointed.
The PM is saddened about what Dom is doing. It's undermining the govt and party.
It might be that Dom feels bitter about what's happened since he's left - but it's a great shame'

Allies of Cummings deny he was behind Dyson text message leaks

Dyson's company said to have sent copies of texts to around 30 officials in Treasury & No 10
They're likely to be interviewed as part of leak inquiry
No 10 accusations follow string of high-profile leaks:

PM texts to Dyson offering to 'fix' tax status of employees
MBS lobbying PM over takeover of Newcastle
Evidence £58k refurb of No 11 flat was paid for by Tory donor

Archie Gemmill Goal 22nd April 2021 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13461637)
According to Steven Swinford
Political Editor at The Times

Boris Johnson believes Dominic Cummings is behind a series of damaging leaks including disclosure of his text messages

No 10 source on Cummings:
'Dominic is engaged in systematic leaking. We are very disappointed.
The PM is saddened about what Dom is doing. It's undermining the govt and party.
It might be that Dom feels bitter about what's happened since he's left - but it's a great shame'

Allies of Cummings deny he was behind Dyson text message leaks

Dyson's company said to have sent copies of texts to around 30 officials in Treasury & No 10
They're likely to be interviewed as part of leak inquiry
No 10 accusations follow string of high-profile leaks:

PM texts to Dyson offering to 'fix' tax status of employees
MBS lobbying PM over takeover of Newcastle
Evidence £58k refurb of No 11 flat was paid for by Tory donor

We had to fiddle the rules for Dyson.. we had a National Emergency and needed his stuff.

OK that sounds ..actually ... fine. It saved lives. How many lives were saved by his stuff?

Oh..we never actually had Dyson produce anything for us.

Go **** yourself.

Darat 23rd April 2021 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13461637)
According to Steven Swinford
Political Editor at The Times

Boris Johnson believes Dominic Cummings is behind a series of damaging leaks including disclosure of his text messages

No 10 source on Cummings:
'Dominic is engaged in systematic leaking. We are very disappointed.
The PM is saddened about what Dom is doing. It's undermining the govt and party.
It might be that Dom feels bitter about what's happened since he's left - but it's a great shame'

Allies of Cummings deny he was behind Dyson text message leaks

Dyson's company said to have sent copies of texts to around 30 officials in Treasury & No 10
They're likely to be interviewed as part of leak inquiry
No 10 accusations follow string of high-profile leaks:

PM texts to Dyson offering to 'fix' tax status of employees
MBS lobbying PM over takeover of Newcastle
Evidence £58k refurb of No 11 flat was paid for by Tory donor

Yep as ever their focus is on the leaker rather than dealing with the reason there was a leaker.

Mikemcc 23rd April 2021 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13461274)
I think his problem was that the government was acting with too much integrity for him.

If the reports are correct that he wanted immunity from prosecution for historic crimes committed by troops in Northern Ireland.

No, not the case. He wanted to stop malicious persecution (i.e. repeated attempts at prosecution without significant new evidence) of veterans. If there is significant new evidence, by all means prosecute. But repeated attempts over the years have been made, there are presently six veterans due trial with no new evidence. Most are in their late 70s. Another has committed suicide due to the pressure. One at least, Dennis Hutchins, is terminally ill. It's a politically motivated witch-hunt, not justice.

In the meantime we saw terrorists from both sides of the divide getting early release and 'letters of comfort' to say that they wouldn't be pursued. The hypocrisy is stunning but, hey-ho, NI now has such a weak police force leadership that they won't enforce Covid restrictions at an ex-terrorists funeral but will repeatedly hound severely ill pensioners.

Lothian 23rd April 2021 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13461693)
We had to fiddle the rules for Dyson.. we had a National Emergency and needed his stuff.

OK that sounds ..actually ... fine. It saved lives. How many lives were saved by his stuff?

Oh..we never actually had Dyson produce anything for us.

Go **** yourself.

I don't understand what Dyson wanted and whether it is a story.

As I understand it Dyson already has his design business in the UK. The production and head office are in the far east. That works well for Hoovers, hand and hair dryers as well as cars. Why does it not work for ventilators?

Who were the people in the far east that wanted to live in the UK without paying tax here?

Is the real story that in 'moving' himself and his head office to Singapore, Dyson and his senior management found out that this couldn't just be a brass plate move. They couldn't continue to live and work in the UK and escape UK taxes just because the head office address had moved. They actually had to be outside the UK for most of the time to escape UK tax.

Was the exemption actually for Dyson himself? I note he has now 'moved' back to the UK. Did he ever leave?

Trouble is, this is about individuals tax issues so the government is highly unlikely to reveal what the issue was and who the exemption was actually for.

Captain_Swoop 23rd April 2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikemcc (Post 13462312)
No, not the case. He wanted to stop malicious persecution (i.e. repeated attempts at prosecution without significant new evidence) of veterans. If there is significant new evidence, by all means prosecute. But repeated attempts over the years have been made, there are presently six veterans due trial with no new evidence. Most are in their late 70s. Another has committed suicide due to the pressure. One at least, Dennis Hutchins, is terminally ill. It's a politically motivated witch-hunt, not justice.

In the meantime we saw terrorists from both sides of the divide getting early release and 'letters of comfort' to say that they wouldn't be pursued. The hypocrisy is stunning but, hey-ho, NI now has such a weak police force leadership that they won't enforce Covid restrictions at an ex-terrorists funeral but will repeatedly hound severely ill pensioners.

Bring back the bombings and summery executions I say.

Captain_Swoop 23rd April 2021 12:07 PM

Johnny Mercer calls the government a “cesspit” and “the most distrustful, awful environment I’ve ever worked in”.

Dominic Cummings calls the PM’s behaviour “mad and totally unethical”.

Considering both were friends of Boris Johnson he's not had a great week.

GlennB 23rd April 2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13462541)
Johnny Mercer calls the government a “cesspit” and “the most distrustful, awful environment I’ve ever worked in”.

Dominic Cummings calls the PM’s behaviour “mad and totally unethical”.

Considering both were friends of Boris Johnson he's not had a great week.

Cummings' attack is actually pretty dramatic -

"Dominic Cummings has launched an unprecedented and extraordinary attack on Boris Johnson, alleging that the prime minister tried to quash a leak inquiry as it implicated an ally, and hatched a “possibly illegal” plan for donors to pay to renovate his flat."

The 'ally' is a close friend of Carrie Symonds, to boot. Cummings reckons his phone record shows he wasn't leaking about the Dyson affair and that other phone records will confirm that. etc etc etc

full story

Captain_Swoop 23rd April 2021 12:27 PM

Trouble is, you wouldn’t trust either of them a bloody inch, so where the truth lies, god alone knows!

Lothian 23rd April 2021 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13462573)
Trouble is, you wouldn’t trust either of them a bloody inch, so where the truth lies, god alone knows!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...325be52fc6.jpg

jimbob 23rd April 2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13462593)

Stealing that

Filippo Lippi 23rd April 2021 03:12 PM

Dyson's car (he built one) has been scrapped

GlennB 23rd April 2021 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13462573)
Trouble is, you wouldn’t trust either of them a bloody inch, so where the truth lies, god alone knows!

Yes, but in this case I'm hoping that Cummings is telling the truth and goes on to prove it. He's out, but Johnson is still in.

Wudang 24th April 2021 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13460004)
Remember, next time you are in trouble at work, instead of resigning just say you “I acted with honesty and integrity” .


Don't forget "lessons have been learned". No need to specify what lessons or their relevance.

GlennB 24th April 2021 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13460004)
Remember, next time you are in trouble at work, instead of resigning just say you “I acted with honesty and integrity” .

And if you're in trouble for calling your partner-in-life an ugly lardarse, just say "I misspoke".

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 03:31 AM

This is extraordinary.
Sam Coates Deputy Political Editor at Sky News says Boris Johnson personally phoned newspaper and TV news editors to brief that Cummings had leaked his messages.

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 03:32 AM

The Daily Mail says the flat refurbishment was nearer £200,000.
The £58,000 was just Lord Brownlow's donation, they approached several other donors to make up the shortfall, including Zac Goldsmith & Lord Bamford.

Carrot Flower King 24th April 2021 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13462562)
Cummings' attack is actually pretty dramatic -

"Dominic Cummings has launched an unprecedented and extraordinary attack on Boris Johnson, alleging that the prime minister tried to quash a leak inquiry as it implicated an ally, and hatched a “possibly illegal” plan for donors to pay to renovate his flat."

The 'ally' is a close friend of Carrie Symonds, to boot. Cummings reckons his phone record shows he wasn't leaking about the Dyson affair and that other phone records will confirm that. etc etc etc

full story

So, Cummings thinks we are all so stupid that we don't know about burner phones or have never, ever bought a PAYG SIM from Tesco using cash? And that we've forgotten that he tried to edit his own blog to try to show that he'd said something well before anyone knew it was A Thing to say?

Man's an eejit.

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 03:44 AM

None of it will make any difference, the Tories have a big lead in the poles and Boris' own popularity is holding solid.

GlennB 24th April 2021 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13463032)
So, Cummings thinks we are all so stupid that we don't know about burner phones or have never, ever bought a PAYG SIM from Tesco using cash? And that we've forgotten that he tried to edit his own blog to try to show that he'd said something well before anyone knew it was A Thing to say?

Man's an eejit.

True enough, but does Johnson know about those things? Is he bright enough to realise the importance of anonymity sometimes?

Anyway, I'm not too bothered about the origin of the mud or who's throwing it, as long as plenty sticks to Johnson

Lothian 24th April 2021 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13463032)
So, Cummings thinks we are all so stupid that we don't know about burner phones or have never, ever bought a PAYG SIM from Tesco using cash? And that we've forgotten that he tried to edit his own blog to try to show that he'd said something well before anyone knew it was A Thing to say?

Man's an eejit.

Slow down.

He got people to vote for Brexit and Boris. Either we are all stupid or he is very bright.

GlennB 24th April 2021 04:24 AM

"No 10 refurb row: Grieve calls Boris Johnson ‘vacuum of integrity’

Former Tory attorney general piles pressure on PM demanding to know how residence revamp was funded" link

Hopefully this is the start of a tidal wave.

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13463049)
"No 10 refurb row: Grieve calls Boris Johnson ‘vacuum of integrity’

Former Tory attorney general piles pressure on PM demanding to know how residence revamp was funded" link

Hopefully this is the start of a tidal wave.

Would that be a 'dyson' of integrity?

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 05:54 AM

"We are briefly interrupting the stories about sleaze to bring you stories about lies."

Ulf Nereng 24th April 2021 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13463075)
"We are briefly interrupting the stories about sleaze to bring you stories about lies."

No stories about sexual misconduct today?

Carrot Flower King 24th April 2021 09:21 AM

Sexual misconduct is Tuesday.

Darat 24th April 2021 09:50 AM

Was listening to Any Answers and caught a bloke who was blaming the problems of the pandemic on the “fact” that both Labour and Conservatives had both been cutting the funding for the NHS (presumably he only meant NHS England) over the past 10 years…..

I despair.

Carrot Flower King 24th April 2021 10:04 AM

^ It is a sad, but true, fact of UK-ian life that most folk (this includes journalists, such as health correspondents who should know better) have not a clue about NHS funding and how spending decisions are made.

The number of times I've heard/read folk blaming clinicians for spending decisions and then they look blank when I suggest they might like to re-direct those criticisms to commissioners and their political bosses in the DoH...And that's before you get the confusion about who's actually in power...

Captain_Swoop 24th April 2021 11:17 AM

Boris Johnson urged to explain funding of flat refurbishment

Boris Johnson is being urged to explain how the refurbishment of his Downing Street flat was paid for, following allegations from his ex-chief advisor.

The government said "costs of wider refurbishment in this year have been met by the prime minister personally".

But Labour said Mr Johnson needed to fully disclose where the money came from and whether it was a loan.

Party leader Sir Keir Starmer said: "It matters. It is about integrity, it is about taxpayers' money. Every day there is more evidence of this sleaze. Frankly, it stinks.

"Publish the details, have the full inquiry. If there is nothing to see here - whether it is the refurb of No 10, whether it is the dodgy contracts, whether it is the privileged access - if there is nothing to see, publish everything, have a full inquiry.

"Sunlight is the best disinfectant," Sir Keir said.

Former attorney general Dominic Grieve said the "constant wriggling" over payment for the flat refurbishment was "just one illustration of the chaos Mr Johnson seems to bring in his wake", describing the prime minister as "a vacuum of integrity".

The former Conservative MP, who was expelled from the parliamentary party by Mr Johnson in 2019 after rebelling against him in a Brexit vote, also described his government as "a cronyistic cabal".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56870370


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