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Mojo 2nd May 2021 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KDLarsen (Post 13469570)
Who knows?


Has Boris himself made a clear statement?

Captain_Swoop 2nd May 2021 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13469624)
Has Boris himself made a clear statement?

What a silly question.

Lothian 2nd May 2021 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13469647)
What a silly question.

On the contrary, if he had we could then rule that option out.

Captain_Swoop 2nd May 2021 01:02 PM

Boris has never made a clear statement.

Mojo 2nd May 2021 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13469667)
Boris has never made a clear statement.


“There’s no press here”?

KDLarsen 2nd May 2021 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13469623)
With first past the post they don’t need to.

Indeed. That 77% of votes are wasted should be an outrage to any democratic minded person, as should the fact that 46% of the popular vote translates to an 80 seat majority.

But that's preaching to the choir obviously.

zooterkin 2nd May 2021 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13469667)
Boris has never made a clear statement.

Oh, he has, though they are generally equally clearly lies.

Lothian 2nd May 2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13469667)
Boris has never made a clear statement.

"There will be no border down the Irish sea."

Mr Fied 2nd May 2021 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KDLarsen (Post 13469678)
Indeed. That 77% of votes are wasted should be an outrage to any democratic minded person, as should the fact that 46% of the popular vote translates to an 80 seat majority.

But that's preaching to the choir obviously.

That's democracy

dudalb 2nd May 2021 04:53 PM

I am getting a definent whiff of the Party members attitude toward the Proles in Orwell 1984 in some of the comments about the British voting public coming from some on the left here.

gypsyjackson 2nd May 2021 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13469769)
I am getting a definent whiff of the Party members attitude toward the Proles in Orwell 1984 in some of the comments about the British voting public coming from some on the left here.

Example?

RolandRat 2nd May 2021 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13469623)
With first past the post they don’t need to.

Yeah I get that but it doesn't impinge on the point I was making.

The Don 3rd May 2021 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13469967)
Example?

I'm guessing this post from me, and Darat's addition.

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13468210)
Yes nothing else matters apart from the fact that the pubs are open and people can go on their holidays.

The almost criminal mismanagement of the Covid crisis, the cronyism, the sleaze, none of this matters because the public are grateful, have short memories and tunnel vision. :(

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13468212)
And. VAAACCCCINNNEEEEE!!!!

The thing is that the Conservatives are riding high in the polls despite having bungled pretty much every aspect of the Coronavirus response bar the vaccination programme. The public seem not to care one jot about the billions of pounds wasted on boondoggles like "Project Moonshot" or "Test, tack and trace" and/or the cronyism which resulted in important contracts being awarded to companies with no credentials apart from a mate being a director.

The public at large don't seem to be concerned about the tens of thousands of needless deaths, they don't seem concerned about the long-term impact of Covid on the economy and public health. They do seem very concerned about when the pubs will be open and whether they can go on holiday.

gypsyjackson 3rd May 2021 01:07 AM

Ah, thanks. I thought it was an odd response to complaining about FPTP.

I must admit, I rather assumed all the people ‘on the left’ in this thread (presumably nearly all to an average US voter, more so perhaps for a libertarian) would be among the proles. I know I am, not that I get to vote in the UK any more.

P.J. Denyer 3rd May 2021 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13469217)
Time for a little light relief, London Mayoral election candidate Brian Rose.

No longer just known for drinking his own urine and denying Covid.

Google his name and nunchuks... and click on whatever video hasn't been taken down.

You need to listen with the sound on

All I can say is "Whaaaaaaaaaaaa?" :D

Captain_Swoop 3rd May 2021 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13469976)
I'm guessing this post from me, and Darat's addition.





The thing is that the Conservatives are riding high in the polls despite having bungled pretty much every aspect of the Coronavirus response bar the vaccination programme. The public seem not to care one jot about the billions of pounds wasted on boondoggles like "Project Moonshot" or "Test, tack and trace" and/or the cronyism which resulted in important contracts being awarded to companies with no credentials apart from a mate being a director.

The public at large don't seem to be concerned about the tens of thousands of needless deaths, they don't seem concerned about the long-term impact of Covid on the economy and public health. They do seem very concerned about when the pubs will be open and whether they can go on holiday.

A lot of them also seem pleased that the economy and foreign relations have been wrecked by Brexit.
Even the ones deported from their homes seem to still support the govt over it.

Captain_Swoop 3rd May 2021 03:53 AM

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has announced he will be a candidate in the contest to succeed Arlene Foster as Democratic Unionist Party leader.

catsmate 3rd May 2021 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470024)
Sir Jeffrey Donaldson has announced he will be a candidate in the contest to succeed Arlene Foster as Democratic Unionist Party leader.

Sweej effing jeebus but Donaldson as the moderate candidate? has anyone seen an Overton window? It seems to have moved recently.

Carrot Flower King 3rd May 2021 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gypsyjackson (Post 13469967)
Example?

And possibly me carping about someone I heard on a vox pop feeling sorry for Johnson because of all the things which have happened since he's been PM...

And I'd count as left by Merkinanian standards, being as I'd never vote Tory for anything and don't consider that most of the Democrats count as a party of the left - One Nation Tories on a good day mebbe.

angrysoba 3rd May 2021 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 13469769)
I am getting a definent whiff of the Party members attitude toward the Proles in Orwell 1984 in some of the comments about the British voting public coming from some on the left here.

I am getting a definite whiff of a complaint that First Past the Post is insufficiently democratic when compared to Proportional Representation which would create a government more in line with the British voting public.

Which do you think is better FTFP or PR?

quadraginta 3rd May 2021 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13470158)
And possibly me carping about someone I heard on a vox pop feeling sorry for Johnson because of all the things which have happened since he's been PM...

And I'd count as left by Merkinanian standards, being as I'd never vote Tory for anything and don't consider that most of the Democrats count as a party of the left - One Nation Tories on a good day mebbe.


What's a "Merkinanian"?

quadraginta 3rd May 2021 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470020)
A lot of them also seem pleased that the economy and foreign relations have been wrecked by Brexit.
Even the ones deported from their homes seem to still support the govt over it.


I am still occasionally surprised by how much inconvenience, discomfort, and outright loss people can put up with in futile efforts to admit that they might, possibly have been mistaken about something.

Captain_Swoop 4th May 2021 01:32 AM

Latest poll gives Tories a 17% lead in the Hartlepool elections

The Don 4th May 2021 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470791)
Latest poll gives Tories a 17% lead in the Hartlepool elections

What extraordinary times we live in.

IMO the British (English ?) public are giddy at the prospect of returning to nearly normal life and are going to give the Conservatives all the credit.

I guess we have forgotten 150,000 deaths and tens of billions of pounds wasted and/or misappropriated. I guess we don't care about cronyism, being lied to, the government behaving illegally and rank incompetence so long as the NHS (soon to be flogged off to the highest bidder) gets us vaccinated and we can go to the pub and off to Spain on holiday.

We get the government we deserve. :(

Lothian 4th May 2021 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470791)
Latest poll gives Tories a 17% lead in the Hartlepool elections

Monkey hangers!

catsmate 4th May 2021 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by angrysoba (Post 13470586)
I am getting a definite whiff of a complaint that First Past the Post is insufficiently democratic when compared to Proportional Representation which would create a government more in line with the British voting public.

Which do you think is better FTFP or PR?

If you define "better" as "more accurately reflecting vote share in seat share" then Proportional Representation is vastly "better".

Remember Belfast South.

catsmate 4th May 2021 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13470668)
What's a "Merkinanian"?

A moderately intelligent rodent, related to the mongoose, native to North American.
:D

catsmate 4th May 2021 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 13470671)
I am still occasionally surprised by how much inconvenience, discomfort, and outright loss people can put up with in futile efforts to admit that they might, possibly have been mistaken about something.

Bigotry and focus against "the others" helps wallpaper over a lot of personal suffering. Unfortunately.

Captain_Swoop 4th May 2021 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13470835)

I thought they were Russian?

https://www.comparethemarket.com/mee...-the-meerkats/

sphenisc 4th May 2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470919)

And herpestids

Captain_Swoop 5th May 2021 03:19 AM

Boris Johnson agrees to Dyson's request on tax and, hey presto, his brother Jo Johnson gets made a Dyson director.

Is that how it went?

Quid Pro Quo. Corruption staring us right in the face.

eta, Sorry I did Jo a disservice. I should have put Baron Johnson of Marylebone.

Boris gave him the title last year.

Darat 5th May 2021 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13471671)
Boris Johnson agrees to Dyson's request on tax and, hey presto, his brother Jo Johnson gets made a Dyson director.

Is that how it went?

Quid Pro Quo. Corruption staring us right in the face.

But he’s a laugh, he’s a geezer!

Captain_Swoop 5th May 2021 03:36 AM

Laurence Fox has a message for the voters of London regarding the NHS

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At this point I’m just grateful for the option of private medical insurance. I wouldn’t want to be treated by a political institution.
An institution so sensitive it needs a round of applause just to finish work.
Also

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Seeing as I’m trending, I’d like to reiterate that the people of this country have bent over backwards to protect the NHS at the expense of their health, their liberty and their livelihoods. The least you could do is not sneer at us. We pay your salaries
From a man that literally chose a profession where if you do a good job you expect applause. You know, back when he had a career.

Bin Head is going to finish above him in the Polls isn't he?

The Don 5th May 2021 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13471671)
Boris Johnson agrees to Dyson's request on tax and, hey presto, his brother Jo Johnson gets made a Dyson director.

Is that how it went?

Quid Pro Quo. Corruption staring us right in the face.

eta, Sorry I did Jo a disservice. I should have put Baron Johnson of Marylebone.

Boris gave him the title last year.

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13471672)
But he’s a laugh, he’s a geezer!

I guess that the key is to be so blatant about it that people simply discount it because "no-one could be that obvious" - and to be a tousle-haired toff. :rolleyes:

Carrot Flower King 5th May 2021 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13471677)
Laurence Fox has a message for the voters of London regarding the NHS



Also



From a man that literally chose a profession where if you do a good job you expect applause. You know, back when he had a career.

Bin Head is going to finish above him in the Polls isn't he?

A man so stupid he didn't notice that the tokenistic "clap for the NHS" was boosted and encouraged by another man partially responsible for cutting clinical funding, who intended to stiff workers on pay...

Pixel42 5th May 2021 07:56 AM

Just had the Liberal candidate for Wiltshire's Police and Crime Commissioner at my door. I'm ashamed to say I wasn't aware that job would also be on the ballot tomorrow as well as my local Councillor, I really should have found that out by now.

Anyway we had a chat and she thinks she's in with a chance despite this being a pretty Conservative area because the Tory candidate is unpopular on account of having been convicted of fox hunting a few years ago.

Yep, the Tories are fielding a candidate for Wiltshire Police and Crime Commissioner who has a criminal conviction. They just don't care, do they?

catsmate 5th May 2021 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13470919)

Shhhh. :D

The Don 6th May 2021 01:37 AM

I voted this morning. Despite the additional precautions relating to Covid, there was no queue at the polling station and I was able to exercise my democratic right in less than 5 minutes. :)

Archie Gemmill Goal 6th May 2021 02:20 AM

Didn't realise it was election day today.... not sure I'll bother.

Nessie 6th May 2021 02:24 AM

Gunboat diplomacy!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57003069

"UK Royal Navy ships patrolling Jersey amid fishing row with France"

A gift for the Tories on election day.


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