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The Don 20th May 2021 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13485897)
'Great'

Why is everyting 'great'?

Because if it was simply "British Railways" it would hark back to the "dark" days of the 1940's-1960's when the UK had a comprehensive rail network which serviced most of the country, in BREL had an engineering capacity which was the envy of the world and where fares were within the grasp of the working person. :rolleyes:

It's almost as if rail privatisation, especially in the way it was carried out, was a complete omnishambles. I note that rail companies are using the Covid pay-outs to enhance dividends rather than investing in their services or rewarding their employees.

If British Railways had received the levels of subsidy given to the privatised rail industry instead of being starved of investment for decades (especially just after WWII where the railways had been worked very hard for the national good) then IMO the UK's railways wouldn't be the ramshackle affair it is today.

Squeegee Beckenheim 20th May 2021 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13485896)
Rail passengers should see more punctual services and cheaper tickets as part of a huge shake up of UK's railways, the government says.

It says a new state-owned body, Great British Railways (GBR), will set timetables and prices, sell tickets in England and manage rail infrastructure.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps admitted the current system was "too complicated" and "fragmented".

He also promised GBR would be more accountable for delays and disruption.

But private operators will still be contracted to run most trains and the most of the planned reforms will not start coming in until 2023.

Under the reforms:

All tickets will be sold by GBR in the future, ending the system where passengers must buy them from multiple companies online and in stations
There will be a "significant rollout" of more pay as you go, contactless and digital ticketing on smartphones
And from next month flexible season tickets will be available for some people who commute two or three times a week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858

Not quite renationalisation, but a step in the right direction.

Captain_Swoop 21st May 2021 02:33 AM

Govt spokesperson says Great British Railways will only operate in England.

Captain_Swoop 21st May 2021 02:34 AM

Personally, I would welcome Blair back.
I know, I know, Iraq, WMD etc.
But look at where we are.

The Don 21st May 2021 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13486946)
Govt spokesperson says Great British Railways will only operate in England.

You really couldn't make it up could you ?

The Don 21st May 2021 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13486948)
Personally, I would welcome Blair back.
I know, I know, Iraq, WMD etc.
But look at where we are.

....and the expansion of PFI

There are many reasons to dislike Tony Blair but he also oversaw a big increase in funding for the NHS, a significant reduction in the number of children in poverty, a check to the seemingly inexorable reduction in social and income mobility and as far as I know he didn't simply grant billions of pounds of contracts to mates.

Then again I would say that because I was an enthusiastic supporter of New Labour when I was a member of the party.

Darat 21st May 2021 03:29 AM

Out of the PMs I can recall in my lifetime the ones that I would have preferred as PM for the pandemic were surprisingly Brown and May, two people who should never have been PMs in ordinary times.

Archie Gemmill Goal 21st May 2021 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13485898)
Apparently a prominent Conservative MP is under investigation on multiple counts of sexual assault.

It is understood that some of the allegations that have already been officially discussed with the MP relate to incidents occurring before he became an MP.

Expect stories to appear in the press over the next few days.

It's not Francois again is it?

The Don 21st May 2021 12:12 PM

Boris Johnson sends most of the Royal Navy around in a pointless willy-waving exercise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57195317

Pathetic right wing populist propaganda.

P.J. Denyer 22nd May 2021 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13487006)
It's not Francois again is it?

Surely not. I always hoped his resemblence to an Action Man went as far as being smooth round the bend underneath his scale replica uniforms.

Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 05:03 AM

When did UK politicians parading around wearing uniforms emblazoned with their rank become a thing?
I'm sure we've seen this sort of thing before. It didn't end well.
Just waiting for Jacob Rees-Mogg in his "Witchfinder General" outfit now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E16kXnmWEAI3WzC.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E10x2WcXMAAJ41U.jpg

P.J. Denyer 22nd May 2021 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13487825)
When did UK politicians parading around wearing uniforms emblazoned with their rank become a thing?
I'm sure we've seen this sort of thing before. It didn't end well.
Just waiting for Jacob Rees-Mogg in his "Witchfinder General" outfit now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E16kXnmWEAI3WzC.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E10x2WcXMAAJ41U.jpg

It's Johnson & co playing at being a US President. And we know which one.

Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 07:52 AM

Maybe it's to help them remember who they are.

Ulf Nereng 22nd May 2021 08:39 AM

Boris likes to dress up. Here he is at an airfield, so he wears an appropriate uniform. Previously we've seen him in hospitals wearing nurses gear, at fishmarkets in fisherman's clothing (holding up a fish), at a construction site with a hardhat and matching vest, at a farm with a bull, and so forth and so on. Not even Kim Jong-Un gets around as much as BoJo! Kim only does it to prove that he's still alive, though.

Darat 22nd May 2021 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13487885)
Maybe it's to help them remember who they are.

Or because people kept saying "He's the PM?"

Captain_Swoop 22nd May 2021 02:51 PM

Unethical journalism and lying can’t be repeated, says unethical ex-journalist who repeatedly lies.

Garrison 23rd May 2021 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488128)
Unethical journalism and lying can’t be repeated, says unethical ex-journalist who repeatedly lies.

Yeah it seems that Laura Kuenssberg acting as No. 10 spokesperson instead of Political Editor isn't enough for Johnson and co. They won't be content until the BBC is just a propaganda arm of the Government.

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 09:06 AM

The BBC's reputation has been "highly damaged" following an inquiry into the Panorama interview with Diana, Princess of Wales, Priti Patel has said.

The home secretary said Lord Dyson's probe into how Martin Bashir obtained the interview was a "really significant moment" for the BBC.

The home secretary said next year's mid-term review of the BBC's royal charter - focussing on the governance and regulation of the organisation - would be "a very significant and serious moment, at a time when the reputation of the BBC has been compromised".

The report will "go down as one of those key moments in the history of the BBC", she added.

"This is the Netflix generation," she told Marr. "How relevant is the BBC?"

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

Asked about a proposal by former BBC chairman Lord Grade for a new editorial board, she said "all suggestions will have to be considered".
"This is the Netflix generation," she told Marr. "How relevant is the BBC?"

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57217853

Garrison 23rd May 2021 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488511)

The "fundamental pillars" of accountability, trust and confidence need to be addressed by the BBC, she said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57217853

To which the appropriate response is, after you.

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 03:22 PM

A new border scheme requiring visitors to apply for an electronic permit will make the UK safer, Home Secretary Priti Patel has said.

She also argued it will make it easier to count those coming to the UK.

Under the plan, all visitors without a visa or immigration status will have to apply for an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA) before coming to the UK.

Passengers required to get a permit under the new system would include those travelling to the UK for a short stay or transiting - changing planes - in the country.

People wishing to work in the UK or stay in the country for a long period of time - for example over six months - would need to obtain a visa, rather than an ETA.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57217739

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 03:23 PM

Oscar, Grammy and Nobel Prize-winners will be among those able to get visas to live and work in the UK more easily under point-based immigration reforms.

The Home Office has announced its decision to "fast track" the process for those winning coveted arts awards.

It is part of the government's bid to attract the "best and brightest" from around the world.

International stars who have won Bafta, Brit, Mobo, Tony or Golden Globe awards will also be eligible.

Previously the visa application process, known as the Global Talent route, meant artists and producers had to receive an endorsement from one of six bodies.

But from Wednesday, new post-Brexit rules allow people who hold a qualifying prize to make a simpler single visa application.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56991724

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:31 PM

Priti Patel suggested ministers - including herself - breaking the rules isn’t important because they’re doing “difficult jobs, actually.”

And the Home Secretary, who was found to have broken the ministerial code over accusations of bullying, said the rulebook is currently being “reviewed”.

Asked, considering her own breach of the code - and the fact that Boris Johnson is under investigation over alleged breaches of the same rules - whether the code still matters, Ms Patel told the BBC’s Andrew Marr: “Well, look, the ministerial code is there for a reason - and there's work taking place at the moment in terms of reviewing that.”

She added: “I think at this stage this isn't about breaking codes and things of that nature, we're all just getting on in government, doing very difficult jobs actually, coming out of this pandemic.

“All ministers are focused on doing their job.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...aking-24166724

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:32 PM

She also said in the same interview

"Herd immunity by exposure wasn't our official plan and I think people will be asking serious questions about why the BBC is bothering with this very inconvenient story"

Captain_Swoop 23rd May 2021 04:34 PM

What she's saying is, 'You can't touch me, because I control the police and I make the rules'.

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:33 AM

Liz Truss on LBC suggesting that the BBC should be stripped of its role of selecting the Eurovision entry.

The Don 24th May 2021 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488981)
Liz Truss on LBC suggesting that the BBC should be stripped of its role of selecting the Eurovision entry.

Because of Martin Bashir or because we came last with null points this year ?

The song wasn't horrible, though the performance wasn't great.

Seems that no-one likes us:

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Let’s start off with the bad news. The United Kingdom finished in last place with the televoting in no less than fourteen countries. 37% of all countries voting last night thought Embers was the worst song of the show, which is a big number if there are 26 entries on offer. Add to that that nine countries decided to put the United Kingdom in second to last and you need to draw the conclusion that 60%, over half the voting countries, thought James Newman was one of the two worst songs of the night. It is fair to guess that the other nil pointers scored better than the UK.
https://escxtra.com/2021/05/23/telev...urovision-202/

If they're competing then Greece and Cyprus are guaranteed 12 points from each other.

The UK has burned all its bridges.


edited to add.....

Of course in the middle of a pandemic which has already killed over 150,000 in the UK (and which will likely kill another 30,000 - 100,000 over the next winter), a disastrous Brexit which has caused the UK economy to shrink and the negotiation of a series of trade deals which seem to undermine the UK's recovery, complaining about the selection of a song for Eurovision is a great use of ministerial time. :mad:

Liz, if your mob weren't such a bunch of xenophobes, maybe the UK wouldn't come last. Even the German entry with the dancing middle finger did better.

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:47 AM

Will someone suggest that the FA should be stripped of it's role of selecting the England football team?

Captain_Swoop 24th May 2021 02:54 AM

Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.

Darat 24th May 2021 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.

He needs the money - probably worth a good half a million with deals with the magazines and the like. Everything can be paid for by “family friends”.

TheSupermeerkat 24th May 2021 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
Boris has announced there will be a Prime Ministerial Wedding!
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

Imagine how stupid you'd have to be to accept wedding vows from a pathological liar who claims to be broke, doesn't know how many children he has, and cheated on his ex-wife in the family home while she was being treated for cancer.


Well, you might accept the deal if:

a) it gave you rapid access to the centre of power, and
b) you could have a life of luxury, even if (and especially if) you get ditched.

Archie Gemmill Goal 24th May 2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13488985)
It's going to be on the telly apparently.

In the name of ****, why?

catsmate 24th May 2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal (Post 13489251)
In the name of ****, why?

So the plebs can worship their master of course.
:rolleyes:

Archie Gemmill Goal 24th May 2021 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13489256)
So the plebs can worship their master of course.
:rolleyes:

Seems like a genius ploy by the Tories to get people to revolt against the TV license so they can privatise the BBC.

P.J. Denyer 25th May 2021 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13488991)
He needs the money - probably worth a good half a million with deals with the magazines and the like. Everything can be paid for by “family friends”.

And I guess he has enough stamps on his card to get this wedding free!

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 12:35 PM

Interview on Radio 4 today with the co-chair of the Tory Party.
She was completely unable to answer the question "Is it OK for a member of the Conservatives to refer to Muslim women as bank robbers and pillar boxes?"

sphenisc 25th May 2021 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13490532)
Interview on Radio 4 today with the co-chair of the Tory Party.
She was completely unable to answer the question "Is it OK for a member of the Conservatives to refer to Muslim women as bank robbers and pillar boxes?"

To be fair the question is ambiguous and should probably be presented in terms of set theory. Maybe they'll cover it on More or Less.

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sphenisc (Post 13490615)
To be fair the question is ambiguous and should probably be presented in terms of set theory. Maybe they'll cover it on More or Less.

What is ambiguous?

It just needs a yes or no answer.

Maybe it's because the PM said it that was confusing her.

Captain_Swoop 25th May 2021 02:11 PM

Boris told the investigation: “I do know that offence has been taken at things I’ve said, that people expect a person in my position to get things right, but in journalism you need to use language freely. I am obviously sorry for any offence taken."

So a non apology.

GlennB 25th May 2021 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13490641)
...
"I am obviously sorry for any offence taken."

So a non apology.

Aye. That phrasing virtually blames the offended person for being offended.

TheSupermeerkat 26th May 2021 04:01 AM

Cummings paints the entire government as incompetent, Jonson and his colleagues as unqualified and out of their depth. All true.

He paints himself and his data scientist colleagues as shining examples of sanity and professionalism who could have done it much much better. He says “it’s a disaster that I acted too late”.

I have no doubt most of his criticisms are true, but he comes across as ranty and has a chip on his shoulder. He is discrediting himself.


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