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Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:12 AM

Baroness Harding of Winscombe has vowed to end England’s reliance on foreign doctors and nurses if she becomes the next head of the NHS.

Harding, the former head of Test and Trace, formally applied last week to succeed Sir Simon Stevens to lead the health service.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...ners-0t6mq9w2b

Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:16 AM

You know this is drip drip drip? how can we make the NHS fail? I know, put disastrous Dido in charge, let her complain about foreigners in the service so they feel even more harassed and leave. It'll then fail. Then sell it.

Her Tory MP husband sits on the advisory board of a think tank called '1828', which calls for the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped.

He is also head of Institute for Health Protection which is supposed to replace Public Health England.

Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:17 AM

From August last year.

The head of the government’s new Institute for Health Protection – which will replace Public Health England – has been found to have direct links to a member of the 1828 advisory board – which called for the body to be scrapped.

Dido Harding’s husband and former Tory minister John Penrose is part of the right-wing group which, among other things, took a dim view of PHE.
It was announced this weekend that the health body is to be broken up with the new Institute for Health Protection to become “effective” from next month – spearheaded by Mr Penrose’s wife, Dido Harding.

More concerning is that the 1828 group has also pushed for the NHS to be scrapped in favour of a system where people pay for insurance either through private firms or a government scheme.
One article authored by 1828’s co-founders argued Britain should be “bold and progressive”.
It said: “With a social health insurance system, you don’t need the state to own or subsidise hospitals, or to control policy from the centre; you simply need it to regulate the system to a satisfactory degree.”

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...rapped-198003/

P.J. Denyer 21st June 2021 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13514560)
Has one of his pals bought a Chemistry set?

More likely one of his pals sells Chemistry sets. And they'll soon be mandatory for schoolkids.


Actually, what am I talking about. If one of his pals sold chemistry sets Matt Hancock would have already bought his entire stock at £10,000 a test tube.

Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:24 AM

If Dido Harding had said she wanted to make sure that everyone working for the NHS is properly paid, valued and supported so that the jobs will be sought after then I would be with her.

Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:38 AM

I didn’t realise we were only clapping British-born NHS staff

Captain_Swoop 21st June 2021 03:58 AM

When Dido Harding says she wants foreigners out of the NHS she’s not including US corporations of course.

Vixen 21st June 2021 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13514830)
Baroness Harding of Winscombe has vowed to end Englandís reliance on foreign doctors and nurses if she becomes the next head of the NHS.

Harding, the former head of Test and Trace, formally applied last week to succeed Sir Simon Stevens to lead the health service.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...ners-0t6mq9w2b

Anyone who refers to NHS doctors and nurses as 'foreign' reveals their true mindset IMV.

Perhaps 'Dido' needs to reflect on why the UK had to invite so many doctors and nurses from the Commonwealth and the EU in the first place.

Vixen 21st June 2021 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13514833)
You know this is drip drip drip? how can we make the NHS fail? I know, put disastrous Dido in charge, let her complain about foreigners in the service so they feel even more harassed and leave. It'll then fail. Then sell it.

Her Tory MP husband sits on the advisory board of a think tank called '1828', which calls for the NHS to be replaced by an insurance system and for Public Health England to be scrapped.

He is also head of Institute for Health Protection which is supposed to replace Public Health England.

Anyone who uses a childhood nickname in their official capacity is pathetic IMV. It doesn't make Diana or 'Boris' any more likeable. What next, 'Binky' Patel?

Captain_Swoop 22nd June 2021 02:40 AM

Tory MPs trying to work out why some white people are poor?

Incredible foresight from Thatcher to gut working class communities, so that 40 years later Tories can point gleefully at regions full of neglected white kids and go "look, racism doesn't exist."

The Don 22nd June 2021 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13515752)
Tory MPs trying to work out why some white people are poor?

Incredible foresight from Thatcher to gut working class communities, so that 40 years later Tories can point gleefully at regions full of neglected white kids and go "look, racism doesn't exist."

Especially when they've spent the last decade undoing most or all of the previous Labour governments' programmes aimed at tackling poverty, and in particular childhood poverty.

They're looking more and more like the GOP in the US, reduce funding to the point that government institutions stop working and then cut funding further because said government institutions are ineffective. :rolleyes:

Darat 22nd June 2021 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13515752)
Tory MPs trying to work out why some white people are poor?

Incredible foresight from Thatcher to gut working class communities, so that 40 years later Tories can point gleefully at regions full of neglected white kids and go "look, racism doesn't exist."

It will be "them" - it's always THEM!

Captain_Swoop 24th June 2021 04:37 PM

Andrew Neil is ‘stepping back’ from Twat TV for a 'break'

Snowflake.

Lothian 25th June 2021 01:43 AM

I note it was not only 'useless' that Matt Hancock was *******

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:21 AM

FUN FACT: Edwin Poots lasted longer as DUP leader in comparison to Andrew Neil on GB News.

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:26 AM

Are we in Little Britain?

"After a long day of lying to the Prime Minister, my aide and I returned to my office.
Whilst closing the door, my legs started to fall off and she gave me mouth to mouth to resuscitate me.
As far as I'm concerned, case closed. End of story."

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 03:35 AM

Michael Rosen tweeted

@MichaelRosenYes
I see that George Osborne has become the new Chair of the British Museum. I've asked him how he got the job. How do people get these jobs? How did they arrive at him? Did they just ring him up? No one's ever rung me to offer me a job like that. I didn't invent austerity, though.

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 03:35 AM

Well, it may be cold comfort to Dominic Cummings now, but further evidence has emerged that shows that senior government aids did desperately need eye tests.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1538801...with-aide/amp/

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 04:10 AM

Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

GlennB 25th June 2021 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer (Post 13518850)
Well, it may be cold comfort to Dominic Cummings now, but further evidence has emerged that shows that senior government aids did desperately need eye tests.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1538801...with-aide/amp/

"I accept that I breached the social distancing guidance in these circumstances."

Having an affair with an aide that he appointed and his first thought is to apologise for 'getting too close to her'? :rolleyes:

The crap we have to put up with on a daily basis.

Lothian 25th June 2021 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518868)
Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

Hancock will go.

Hancock previously said it 'would not be possible' for Sage head Ferguson, to keep his job as he flouted the coronavirus social distancing rules to have secret trysts with his married lover.

It is a scandal if he leaves his role over this rather than being an incompetent arse who lied, diverted Government funds to friends, took decisions and avoided decisions that lead to 1000s of unnecessary deaths.

Lothian 25th June 2021 05:23 AM

Perhaps this is why Boris has kept him in a job. When Boris said he was "******* useless" he could have been referring to her abilities, not to his.

The Don 25th June 2021 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518868)
Did he appoint the woman when he was already having an affair with her?

Apparently they've known each other since university. It is possible that their intimate relationship only began when they started working closely together - but IMO that's a stretch.

Even if he only started schtupping her once she was in post, he still gave a plum job to a mate - but that's SOP these days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
Hancock will go.

He will, but not soon and not because of this. He needs to be around to take all the flak for the government's bungling of Covid-19 especially after the future third and fourth waves kill tens of thousands. Maybe early to mid 2022.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
Hancock previously said it 'would not be possible' for Sage head Ferguson, to keep his job as he flouted the coronavirus social distancing rules to have secret trysts with his married lover.

One set of rules for the "little people", a completely different set of rules for people like Matty-boy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13518885)
It is a scandal if he leaves his role over this rather than being an incompetent arse who lied, diverted Government funds to friends, took decisions and avoided decisions that lead to 1000s of unnecessary deaths.

Don't worry, he cannot resign over anything like this otherwise other members of the government would have to be held to some sort of standard too - and that's not going to happen IMO.

Filippo Lippi 25th June 2021 06:04 AM

She's not only an aide, she's a shareholder in a lobbying firm that brags of their access to government

Like being able to massage a minister's prostate


Sorry, couldn't help myself

Vixen 25th June 2021 06:07 AM

It is rotten for the cuckolded wife and other husband and their kids, but I have never laughed so hard at a recent news story. Then there was Grant Shapps trying to keep a straight face claiming Gina, the love interest, would have been hired properly. AFAICS she was in marketing. Can't see what that has to do with the Department of Health.

NED post are very sought after. A few hours work a week and a handsome remuneration plus expenses. In my profession, we were warned that we would be inundated with NED job offers, once qualified, as under corporate governance guidance all large corporations and public bodies have to employ a Non-Executive Director to oversee the auditing functions.

This £15,000 NED role (for maybe even just one afternoon a month) should have been properly advertised as far too many of these roles go to personal friends and especially relatives. I recall an MP a few years back paying his wife £25,000 a year for nothing much that was discernable. Considering that the government roles are funded by the taxpayer, there should be an inquiry into this corrupt practice.

Darat 25th June 2021 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi (Post 13518927)
She's not only an aide, she's a shareholder in a lobbying firm that brags of their access to government

Like being able to massage a minister's prostate


Sorry, couldn't help myself

"but I think he took the right decision to resign" Hancock on Ferguson

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 06:58 AM

The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

Agatha 25th June 2021 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518990)
The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

The Don 25th June 2021 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Agatha (Post 13519007)
I think he will find that voters may not consider the matter closed - and I don't expect we'll be seeing Hancock given an opportunity to sit in the rose garden to explain how he interpreted "hands face space" as "hands face arse".

As long as people can go on their hollybobs to the Med this summer, the pubs stay open and not too many people who matter (i.e. people we know personally) die in the third and fourth waves then the electorate couldn't care less.

Despite the complete bungling of Covid on almost every level, the success of the vaccination programme has made Boris Johnson and his government unassailable in the eyes of the majority of the English electorate and, more importantly, in the eyes of the media they consume. :mad:

The Don 25th June 2021 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13518990)
The prime minister's spokesman says Boris Johnson has accepted Mr Hancock's apology and considers matter closed

He could hardly do anything else given his own indiscretions over the decades. ;)

P.J. Denyer 25th June 2021 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlennB (Post 13518883)
"I accept that I breached the social distancing guidance in these circumstances."

Having an affair with an aide that he appointed and his first thought is to apologise for 'getting too close to her'? :rolleyes:

The crap we have to put up with on a daily basis.

You can imagine the conversation with his wife, "Darling, I'm so sorry but when you see todays papers... I... I... I don't know how to tell you but... I broke social distancing guidelines and they have pictures"


In an earlier time he'd be resigning to spend more time with his family, but that tradition ended when Jo Johnson resigned in order to spend less time with his.

Lothian 25th June 2021 08:43 AM

Rubbish at his job, caught lying, having an affair with a work colleague but at least he stands by his ministers.

Lothian 25th June 2021 09:52 AM

Time for this again?

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Carrot Flower King 25th June 2021 10:08 AM

Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, £1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?

I ask for myself as a retired senior nurse, with a load of time on my hands I could put to good use, and on behalf of all current and recently retired NHS staff who had to live through the "austerity" inspired hacking to ribbons of our services which the DoH pushed through and the non-execs were apparently all OK with.

What the actual flying **** is a non-exec director there for? Aside from bank account inflating...

Lothian 25th June 2021 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13519141)
Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, £1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?
I ask for myself......

Snogging Matt Hancock. Still want the job?

Darat 25th June 2021 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13519141)
Non-executive director at the DoH gets paid, essentially, £1 000 a day...For doing what exactly?

...snip....

Snogging Hancock.

You'd have to pay me a lot more!

jimbob 25th June 2021 10:12 AM

https://twitter.com/robdothutton/sta...535366657?s=21

Quote:

Hancock giving a job to the woman he's pictured kissing is quite wrong. These roles should be put out to Tinder.

KDLarsen 25th June 2021 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13519148)

Why not cut out the middleman and just use Hancock's own app instead?

Mojo 25th June 2021 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13519148)


Are we allowed to nominate non-members for the language award?

Captain_Swoop 25th June 2021 02:49 PM

Somehow the Sun has obtained the full video of Hancock's 'liaison'.


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