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GlennB 7th October 2021 10:21 AM

This will probably come as no surprise at all, but ...

"Private hospitals treated a total of just eight Covid patients a day during the pandemic despite a multi-billion pound deal with the government to help stop the NHS being overwhelmed, a report reveals."

Full article

Carrot Flower King 7th October 2021 10:24 AM

^ Just poppped in to post that one: yeah, absolutely no surprise at all.

Captain_Swoop 7th October 2021 11:42 AM

Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay.
The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch.

But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts.
He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792

catsmate 7th October 2021 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13622389)
Tory MP Peter Bottomley has stood by comments he made about MPs struggling to get by and needing more pay.
The MP faced an angry backlash over the claims, with Labour accusing him of being out of touch.

But Sir Peter said the comments were part of a broader interview in which he also expressed concern about universal credit cuts.
He said he was trying to make the point that increasing MPs' salaries from the current average of just over £80,000 a year would make it easier to widen the pool of people interested in changing careers to become parliamentarians, without having to take a pay cut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58830792

Are they the kind of people you want to attract?

Worm 7th October 2021 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catsmate (Post 13622428)
Are they the kind of people you want to attract?

That was my immediate reaction. I'm not sure that there is any evidence to show that increasing the pool of former company directors, hedge fund managers and Eton old boys slightly wider is really the transformative revolution that we need in our political system.

Vixen 8th October 2021 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13621131)
Boris: "Otters are returning to rivers from which they have been absent for decades, beavers that have not been seen on some rivers since Tudor times are now back.

"Build back beaver," he says.

No comment.

P.J. Denyer 10th October 2021 04:25 AM

Just when we thought there were no Brexit Benefits we've seen the return of a fine old Great British Tradition™ that of crooks fleeing to the Costa del Sol when the heat is on. How many years was Ronnie Biggs out there? Maybe Johnson should aim for that record rather than Thatcher's years in office.

boris-johnson-jets-holiday

Captain_Swoop 10th October 2021 04:52 AM

Ronnie was in Brazil.

P.J. Denyer 11th October 2021 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13624806)
Ronnie was in Brazil.

My mistake, but thank you. I know the Costas were the usual place and was too lazy to research past my somewhat hazy memory!

The Don 11th October 2021 03:29 AM

nvm.

The Don 11th October 2021 03:30 AM

I wonder if Boris Johnson will declare a fair value for the accommodation he is receiving from Zac Goldsmith.

KDLarsen 11th October 2021 11:26 AM

I thought some might like this.
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I AGREE

Captain_Swoop 12th October 2021 02:02 PM

Matt Hancock tweeted

@MattHancock
Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative.
I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development.

Captain_Swoop 12th October 2021 02:03 PM

Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory.

Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery.

KDLarsen 13th October 2021 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13627142)
Today it was announced that his response to the pandemic was the worst public health crisis in memory.

Now he's put in charge of a whole continent’s economic recovery.

It gets even worse when you read stuff like this

Quote:

The UN under secretary general, Vera Songwe, said Hancock’s “success” in handling the UK’s pandemic response was a testament to the strengths he would bring to the role.
Succes?! :eye-poppi

Pixel42 13th October 2021 12:44 AM

Hancock was actually pretty quick off the mark in ordering large quantities of several different vaccines (whose efficacy was not yet known), and then had the good sense to leave the actual rollout of them to the people who knew how to do it.

It's just about the only thing he, and indeed the current government, did get right.

Captain_Swoop 14th October 2021 04:19 AM

News story saying Truss and Raab are going to 'share a house'

It's a 115 room mansion!

ohms 15th October 2021 06:12 AM

Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453

zooterkin 15th October 2021 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohms (Post 13630040)
Tory MP David Amess has been stabbed at a constituency surgery:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58929453

Fatally.

Lothian 15th October 2021 08:12 AM

It is a shame. He was a timeless campaigner against drugs. He even asked a question in parliament on cake.

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catsmate 15th October 2021 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lothian (Post 13630147)
It is a shame. He was a timeless campaigner against drugs. He even asked a question in parliament on cake.

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I AGREE

That's how I remember him. An idiot. Though I wasn't aware of his (later retracted) Weinstein-related comments.

Darat 15th October 2021 09:22 AM

Wonder if it was an assassination?

ohms 15th October 2021 11:12 AM

I see the murder has it's own thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=354843

Parsman 16th October 2021 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13627141)
Matt Hancock tweeted

@MattHancock
Honoured to be appointed United Nations Special Representative.
I’ll be working with the @UN @ECA_OFFICIAL to help African economic recovery from the pandemic and promote sustainable development.

If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved.

Pixel42 16th October 2021 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parsman (Post 13630837)
If it wasn't before, Africa is ********d if little Matty is getting involved.

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/web/sta...13761622380550

Quote:

Matt Hancock UN appointment “not taken forward”, UN spokesman tells UN news organisation Pass Blue

Darat 16th October 2021 05:23 AM

Are we surprised he mucked-up his own job? It seems to be pretty much the definition of his “career”.

Vixen 16th October 2021 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 13630876)

Whoops.

Parsman 16th October 2021 07:10 AM

Alas poor Matt, Africa barely knew you!

Carrot Flower King 16th October 2021 10:03 AM

The line given on PM just now is something to do with sitting MPs not being able to take up such jobs...Unlike all those other jobs sitting MPs manage to do on top of their supposedly hugely demanding job in Westminster for that paltry salary of £80+k and all those expenses.

Nice to know that the UN has some better standards than our Parliament...

Captain_Swoop 17th October 2021 04:34 AM

Wasn’t Gordon Brown a UN rep whilst still an MP?

He was indeed. Special envoy in 2012, MP until 2015.

I think they binned him off. I don’t believe his statement.

Carrot Flower King 17th October 2021 05:23 AM

^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******.

Vixen 18th October 2021 08:28 AM

Hey guys.

Honoured to have been appointed United Nations Special Representative - oh wait, just had an email...

Ah, 'We regret to inform you we will not be taking your appointment forward.'

Ahem. Well I didn't want the post anyway, as there is a little known rule that says I am not allowed to, anyway. Somewhere.

<sfx> smashing plates, screaming, crying.

jimbob 18th October 2021 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King (Post 13631469)
^ Apparently Brown was allowed to be a UN envoy as he'd announced his intention to leave Parliament at the next election, as he duly did. Hancock has said he has no intention of giving up his £80k+ and all his housing expenses paid sinecure and wanted to showboat for the UN while we carried on paying for the useless ******.

I'm shocked and surprised.

To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth.

junkshop 18th October 2021 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 13632578)
I'm shocked and surprised.

To learn that Hancock seems to have told the truth.

I'm sure he's deeply ashamed, and will endeavour not to repeat his mistake.

Captain_Swoop 19th October 2021 04:32 AM

Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000

wobs 19th October 2021 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13633006)
Why do I think the cost of having Heat Pumps installed will rise by £5000

Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

The Don 19th October 2021 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wobs (Post 13633057)
Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

That's my impression as well. Heat pumps work well for buildings with very low demands for heat, ideally with underfloor heating. If buildings are constructed from the start with that in mind then happy days but the government is proposing to have these things installed in the current UK housing stock.

It only becomes a commercial proposition if the price of gas rises even further but then that will also have an impact on the cost of the electricity required to run heat pumps.

AIUI for most of the year water will need to be heated with an immersion heater because it won't get hot enough from the heat pump.

wobs 19th October 2021 06:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58899006
Quote:

It looks unlikely that there will be much hydrogen left over to heat people's homes, which is why the government is postponing any decision about hydrogen boilers until 2026.
So when they increase the capacity of hydrogen production, they'll start injecting it into the gas network. Not a huge surprise.

catsmate 19th October 2021 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wobs (Post 13633057)
Aside from the fact that they won't be effectve for a sizeable portion of UK houses. Ours for an eg. is a solid walled Edwardian house in a conservation area, so will be pretty useless.

Forgive my naivity, but heat pumps have long been rejected by those in the know for most homes, and its generally been the consensus that we'll be injecting hydorgen into the gas network to lower the carbon footprint of heating our homes.

That should be fun given the diffusion habits of molecular hydrogen. Who'll be paying for the charges to the distribution network I wonder.

Vixen 19th October 2021 02:07 PM

Imagine Mark Francois wanting to do away with anonymity on social media whilst at the same time demanding anonymity in an MP's <ahem!> recent rape case.


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