Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13024708)

I've been thinking about this a little more and perhaps classic vehicle/plane/boat restorers, boutique audio manufacturers and electrical and electronic repair shop workers might have the right combination of skills.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13024717)

In WW2 plans that had been put in place before the war were brought in to operation, there was an entire government department to coordinate and run it.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13024718)

Nigel Farage says it is time we 'challenged' the Chinese 'regime' and 'enough is enough'.
China should be punished.

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13024708)

I've been thinking about this a little more and perhaps classic vehicle/plane/boat restorers, boutique audio manufacturers and electrical and electronic repair shop workers might have the right combination of skills.

Of course this would still require the production and certification of a suitable design or designs for these people to build and the creation of a supply chain so that suitable components are available for the manufacture - and ongoing maintenance of ventilators.

Of course the government isn't working on this, instead they're expressing a vague hope that British Industry will magically, schmagically solve the problems on their behalf. This wasn't what happened during the war.

Once again, it's pointless grandstanding and wishful, magical, thinking in the face of a national crisis - absolutely the opposite of how Britain responded to WWII.

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13025253)

It's not just mechanical. You need specialized electronics. You aren't going to produce those in the garage.

Originally Posted by Trebuchet (Post 13025253)

It's not just mechanical. You need specialized electronics. You aren't going to produce those in the garage.

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13024723)

That sounds awfully like the kind of tactics that awful foreigners would adopt - make a plan beforehand and then implement it diligently - not the British way at all.

Originally Posted by alfaniner (Post 13025426)

Something I've never seen addressed -- in an emergency (and if you have one), wouldn't a CPAP at least help as a respirator/ventilator? I think there are plenty of those around, and especially a lot of older people have them.

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13024723)

That sounds awfully like the kind of tactics that awful foreigners would adopt - make a plan beforehand and then implement it diligently - not the British way at all.



We seem to have invented a national myth that pluck, courage and the Corinthian spirit allowed us to get through the war years and have forgotten about how carefully plans were made ahead of time and the huge efforts that went into managing and coordinating the implementation of those plans - perhaps because it suits the velleity that seems to be the current government's standard approach. :mad:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13025206)

Nasty moment for Boris there, when after he said he was confident that we can “turn the tide” within 12 weeks, a journalist asked him what that meant.

Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13025826)

All it takes to be Churchill is to believe that one is Churchill.

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13025951)

At what point does shutting down large parts of the economy for 4, 8, 12, 16 weeks become more damaging than allowing the pandemic to run its course with all the deaths that would involve ?

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13025951)

At what point does shutting down large parts of the economy for 4, 8, 12, 16 weeks become more damaging than allowing the pandemic to run its course with all the deaths that would involve ?

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13024723)

That sounds awfully like the kind of tactics that awful foreigners would adopt - make a plan beforehand and then implement it diligently - not the British way at all.



We seem to have invented a national myth that pluck, courage and the Corinthian spirit allowed us to get through the war years and have forgotten about how carefully plans were made ahead of time and the huge efforts that went into managing and coordinating the implementation of those plans - perhaps because it suits the velleity that seems to be the current government's standard approach. :mad:

Originally Posted by Mojo (Post 13025206)

Nasty moment for Boris there, when after he said he was confident that we can “turn the tide” within 12 weeks, a journalist asked him what that meant.

Originally Posted by a_unique_person (Post 13025826)

All it takes to be Churchill is to believe that one is Churchill.

Originally Posted by Darat (Post 13026156)

And be a complete bastard, so Johnson at least has one qualification.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13026366)

Chancellor says govt will pay 80% of wages to companies for workers off with virus
Nothing about self employed or contract workers though.

Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13026396)

And of course also just announced bars, pubs and restaurants are to close. I get the need to contain the virus but sooner rather than later we are going to see some nasty psychological consequences of a policy which basically amounts to sitting at home staring at the same four walls day after day. I don't care if you've got Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+ its not a substitute for social interaction.

Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13026396)

And of course also just announced bars, pubs and restaurants are to close. I get the need to contain the virus but sooner rather than later we are going to see some nasty psychological consequences of a policy which basically amounts to sitting at home staring at the same four walls day after day. I don't care if you've got Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+ its not a substitute for social interaction.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13026530)

We can't go to the pub but we can all cram in to supermarket queues.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13026366)

Chancellor says govt will pay 80% of wages to companies for workers off with virus
Nothing about self employed or contract workers though.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13024718)

Nigel Farage says it is time we 'challenged' the Chinese 'regime' and 'enough is enough'.
China should be punished.

Originally Posted by Garrison (Post 13026396)

And of course also just announced bars, pubs and restaurants are to close. I get the need to contain the virus but sooner rather than later we are going to see some nasty psychological consequences of a policy which basically amounts to sitting at home staring at the same four walls day after day. I don't care if you've got Netflix, Amazon Prime and Disney+ its not a substitute for social interaction.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop (Post 13026530)

We can't go to the pub but we can all cram in to supermarket queues.

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 13025906)

Oh no, no, no, no, no.....

Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 13025798)

Possibly. I recall seeing a series of tweets from a doctor in an overrun hospital in northern Italy, describing how they used all available standard ventilators, then all available NIVs (non-invasive ventilators), then all available CPAP machines, then all the rigs of some even more basic type. I wasn't sure whether or not they had some way of feeding O2 into the CPAP machines.