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So Crazy to watch Senator Blumenthal of Connecticut lecture all on morals & ethics when for 25 years he said he was a Great War Hero in Vietnam, and he was never even there. He lied & cheated right up until the day he got caught. Thank you to those in military who turned him in!

He's convinced me, I'll never vote for Barack Obama for President again. :rolleyes:

It really says something when even a cruel dictator, Kim Jong-un accepts more responsibility and apologises for their handling of the crisis and the POTUS can't do either.

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We will have Healthcare which is FAR BETTER than ObamaCare, at a FAR LOWER COST - BIG PREMIUM REDUCTION. PEOPLE WITH PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS WILL BE PROTECTED AT AN EVEN HIGHER LEVEL THAN NOW. HIGHLY UNPOPULAR AND UNFAIR INDIVIDUAL MANDATE ALREADY TERMINATED. YOU’RE WELCOME!

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Republicans must state loudly and clearly that WE are going to provide much better Healthcare at a much lower cost. Get the word out! Will always protect pre-existing conditions!!!

Donnie is clearly a buddy of Randell Mills, where else would Donnie have learned to promise better healthcare and then do nothing for 4 years. :D

Right. Whereas Mitch had declared that he would approve Trump’s nomination before we even knew who that was!

No need to consider, discuss, and evaluate.

“ Old Charlie Mitch stole the handle and
The train it won't stop going-
No way to slow down.“

Nitpick: One of those justices died much earlier, but it would have been oh, so wrong to confirm a justice in an election year. And one retired. Only Ginsburg died while Trump was President.

'Oh, and did I mention WE DELIBERATELY TERMINATED THAT INDIVIDUAL MANDATE JUST SO WE COULD GET THE COURTS TO DECLARE MANY PEOPLES' CURRENT HEALTHCARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL.'


What are the odds of the court declaring the legislation that terminated only the individual mandate as unconstitutional instead? 4 to 5 perchance?

I view the “We will give you a better health plan for cheaper than Obamacare. We just haven’t got around to it over the last 4 years because we’ve been so busy trying to destroy Obamacare!” as an intelligence test of the American public. It is a fairly simple test, equivalent to observing if the participants answer “No you are lying!” vs try eat the pencil.

Much of Trump's rural base finds Obamacare hilarious because what hospital are they going to use it at?

Again this is just one of those deep, core disconnects between rural and urban mentalities.

In an urban area the big injustice is that the hospital is like... right there but you can't afford to go to it.

In rural areas it doesn't matter how much it goes to go to the hospital, you'll be dead before you get there. Nobody cares how much it costs to go to a hospital that's 100 miles away.

What is the actual Repub argument against the ACA? If it was just flaws in the law itself, it could be amended and improved. But they haven't done that. If the Repubs wanted to provide better coverage for less money, they could pass laws to do that. But they haven't. The original objection was to the individual mandate. But that's gone. What do the Repubs gain by taking health insurance, however imperfect, away from 22 million people? Why is this the issue it's become?

The goal of Republicans is to privatize all forms for government participation in social security and healthcare.
The assumption being that the private sector will make it better and cheaper (evidently not true), but most importantly, taking Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security away from the Government will free up the budget for more Defense Spending.

SOCIALISM!!!!

1. The Democrats want it, which makes it evil. If the Democrats adopted "Kittens are cute" as a pillar of their party platform today, by close of business on Wednesday at the lastest "Kittens are hideous" would be retconned into always having been a major pillar of the Republican Party Platform.
2. The vague idea of "self reliance" and the idea that you just shouldn't be provided things you didn't "work for" (with "provided with" and "work for" being very poorly and self servingly defined.)
3. Democratic Health care = Abortions. Just so many abortions. Hot and cold running abortions. Roadside abortion stands. Buy 10 abortions get one free. Abortion of the month club. Abortion combos with a side of fries. Tonsils out? Why not an abortion while we are in there?
4. As noted the whole "scawwy socialism" thing.
5. As I already said "Who cares about costs of health care where the nearest health care provider more robust then the minute clinic at the drug store is a 45 minute drive away?"

FTFY

Don't forget the surveys that have shown Republican voters who hate Obamacare but think the Affordable Care Act is great.
President Obama did it = Burn it in the fires of Hell.

Re the Gallup finding, are you better off than 4 years ago:

CNN: That Gallup poll doesn't say what Donald Trump thinks it does

"It's soshalism!"

That's the argument against the ACA boiled down to its essential for easy digestion by the GOP's basest base. And the reason they haven't come up with anything substantial to replace it in four years (or, really, the six before then) is because anything that would work, anything that would actually be a better health plan cheaper than Obamacare, would have to practically be Obamacare. They've already co-opted the popular "pre-existing conditions" part of it as their own, but a toothless EO claiming it without doing anything real to make it real, is about as far as they can get before they realize that any realistic, detailed plan they come up with is going to be as much socialism as the ACA ever really was- you can't actually make the insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions without a law to mandate it, and that's the same sort of "government regulation of business" that the GOP is in business to frown upon.

Normally, that kind of hypocrisy and re-write of history wouldn't be an obstacle; I think it may be here because the people most likely to be affected by Obamacare's loss and then replacement by a near-identity will be those most likely to be Trump supporters. Even they could get the point behind the old Steven Wright joke- "last night somebody stole everything in my apartment and replaced it all with exact replicas"; and even more so if the replica doesn't work.

TL;DR- what Trebuchet said.

The liberals are certainly a lot madder, which is "better off" for a lot of Trump supporters.

I just note that the ACA is basically the Repub health-care plan. It was based on Mitt Romney's successful plan for Massachusetts, which in turn was developed from proposals by the Heritage Foundation. A true Democratic plan would at least have included a public option, and would probably have been much closer to Medicare-for-All. The Repubs won and won't admit it.

They don't. Like I keep saying, it's easy to find conservative black people. What's actually rare are black republicans for some unknown reason.

Sometimes these guys get carried away with being full of themselves.

Snopes Hard to think this was misspeaking: When this is what actually happened: Considering the person complaining faked 'bone spurs' to get out of serving at all, it hardly seems like a valid complaint.

Blumenthal's statements were more general than the way Trump describes them. You can read the details in the rest of the article.

Do you have a source for this?

And how was the situation better before the ACA?

Source for what? That things are further away in rural areas or that a hospital that's too for away to get to in an emergency matters more than how much it costs? Because I think both of those are pretty self evidence.

People don't go to hospitals only for life threatening emergencies. There would be literally thousands of different reasons to go to a hospital for life improving and life extending operations.

Living hundreds of miles away from a hospital is also true for quite a lot of Norwegians. They still go to hospitals if they have medical problems.

So what exactly is it that rural Americans do if their local doctor diagnoses them with early stage cancer, a kidney stone or any other diagnosis that isn't immediately life threatening? Just lay down and die because the hospital is 100 miles away?

Most of what hospitals do isn't emergencies. That's just a tiny part.

You mean like the trumpers who hate Obamacare, but love the ACA ;) ?

How far away? As Ryokan says, here in Norway they might have to dispatch a helicopter, or drive an ambulance for three and a half hours (possibly including several ferry rides) if a helicopter is not available, but it's not like they'll tell you that they can't reach you at all. Also they have ambulance planes for when you need to get a patient quickly from a town to a city with a hospital.

If there isn't proper emergency response coverage in parts of the USA, to the point where emergency services can't get to a patient at all, or that it takes too long for them to do so, that's obviously another big problem.

But that doesn't have anything to do with the ACA. The ACA was intended to make group health insurance accessible to people who couldn't get it otherwise. It was never intended to solve every problem in the health care system.

You mentioned hospitals 100 miles away. Except in some acute emergencies, how is that impossibly far away? Even in tiny Denmark, advanced hospitals can be nearly that far away in considerable areas. That's 45 minutes in an ambulance, 15 minutes in a helicopter.

How can that be more important than the cost?

Hans

Since he pretty much lost the election (by votes anyway), will he repeal Obamacare? The legal angle is that Trump canceled the requirement to buy insurance when he cut taxes. The argument is that by canceling that part of Obamacare they canceled the entire law.

Of course the parts of Obamacare were planned to work together, to bring the cost to the taxpayer down. But still, the legal thinking they have is weak. It's like saying an amendment to the constitution repeals the entire constitution.

Pew Research Center on hospital distance. [Pew Research Center]

From the link:
That doesn't seem like as much of a disparity as I might have guessed. Obviously some people live a long way from hospitals, but they would be a small percentage of the population. The U.S. has a lot of open spaces. Not everybody can live 10 minutes from from a hospital.

100 miles is not 100 km

Are we really talking about Medevac helicopters as a serious option? Good luck getting your insurance to pay for that.

Emergency Air Lift to Hospital Could Cost $40,000

What does this have to do with the ACA?

Obviously nothing. Just forget a ******* said anything.

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Viewership for NBA Finals Finale Crash Nearly 70%, Beaten by Random Sunday Night Football Game https://breitbart.com/sports/2020/10...football-game/ via @BreitbartNews
Maybe they were watching in China, but I doubt it. Zero interest!

I'll assume that's some sort of "Get Woke, Go Broke" criticism on NBA from Dear Leader.