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Minoosh 20th October 2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264253)
Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt.

How do you know Trump wasn't told about this attempt?

shuttlt 20th October 2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13264266)
Actually, it's been reported that Trump's aggression on hearing negative reports on Russia led to him being verbally briefed less and less on intelligence matters related to Russia. The material was still included in the written briefings, but it's long been reported that he doesn't have the attention span to actually read those.

So, yeah, when it comes to any piece of information about Russia it's entirely credible that Trump hasn't been informed of it.

Whether Trump acts appropriately on it doesn't mean that the FBI should sit on it. If they inform him and he does nothing, that's on him. If they don't inform him, or Biden, then that's on them.

shuttlt 20th October 2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264269)
How do you know Trump wasn't told about this attempt?

Could be. If he was, then I think we should be told. Given how much people leak against him, that doesn't seem likely to me. It seems really foolish of him to start pushing the Justice Department and the FBI for an explanation if he was told.

Babbylonian 20th October 2020 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264253)
Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt. If I know specifically that your neighbour is a homicidal maniac, has found the spare key to your house and has been muttering about killing you.... giving you a generalized warning that there are a lot of dangerous people about and your wife shouldn't leave the key under the mat is wilfully non-specific.

Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.

shuttlt 20th October 2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13264280)
Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.

This isn't a response to what I said in my post. Are you responding to a different post?

Minoosh 20th October 2020 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264278)
Could be. If he was, then I think we should be told.

Wait a sec. You really believe the public at large should be briefed on all warnings the president receives? You mean in real time, or later? You don't necessarily announce publicly every detail of an investigation as it develops.

I have a hunch both men were told, but that's all it is.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264278)
It seems really foolish of him to start pushing the Justice Department and the FBI for an explanation if he was told.

I agree it seems foolish. I think really he is telegraphing something to Barr, who for some reason is not quite willing to pull indictments out of his ass at Trump's behest.

shuttlt 20th October 2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264309)
Wait a sec. You really believe the public at large should be briefed on all warnings the president receives? You mean in real time, or later? You don't necessarily announce publicly every detail of an investigation as it develops.

No, of course not. If at this point in the game Trump is using these emails to try to discredit Biden and claiming he didn't know they were fake, when in fact he was told about it and was told that the emails on the laptop were forged.... then I want to know.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264309)
I have a hunch both men were told, but that's all it is.

That again would be shocking, that the emails have already been shown to be fake and we aren't being told. Why wouldn't Biden say something? It would be a terrific bit of corruption to take into the last days of the election.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264309)
I agree it seems foolish. I think really he is telegraphing something to Barr, who for some reason is not quite willing to pull indictments out of his ass at Trump's behest.

I think indictments are a little way off what ever is going on. Trump is sticking his neck way out here..... He's making it much easier for the FBI to screw him if that's what the information they have does.

CapelDodger 20th October 2020 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babbylonian (Post 13264280)
Utter bull **** and continued evidence that you're ready to ignore every fact you find inconvenient.

The sources are compromised, the story of the information acquisition makes no sense, and the [mis]information has not been authenticated.

It's hard to credit that something this laughable is the actual October Surprise. Misdirection, surely?

Minoosh 20th October 2020 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 13264418)
It's hard to credit that something this laughable is the actual October Surprise. Misdirection, surely?

That does seem likely, doesn't it?

dirtywick 20th October 2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264236)
They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.

There's also the fact that the beneficiaries of the interference are the ones bearing a lot of responsibility for stopping it. Yet here we are.

fishbob 20th October 2020 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264180)
As has been explained 3 or 4 times now, the emails could possibly implicate Joe Biden receiving money through his son.

The possibly Russian planted, possibly made up entirely by Rudy G, possibly non-existent emails could just as easily possibly not.

fishbob 20th October 2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264183)
Do you just believe things because you're told? Or would you like to see evidence?

Possibly, but not likely.

Tero 20th October 2020 06:02 PM

Follow the hoax
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"Drugs, underage obsessions, power deals," she said in the post. "Druggie Hunter makes Anthony Weiner's down under selfie addiction look normal."

The tweet, which was shared more than 53,000 times, then made its way to 4chan, where users anonymously speculated that it meant the FBI was investigating Hunter Biden. One user posing as Rion affirmed that speculation, saying the hard drive contained child pornography.

The real Rion tweeted Oct. 16 that she did not write the posts.

"For the record: I do not post on chat forums," she wrote. "I understand there are hoaxers posing as me."

By Sunday, the conspiracy theory had made its way to Fox News. "Sunday Morning Futures" host Maria Bartiromo noted that a name written on the back of a federal subpoena included in the Post’s story appears to belong to Joshua Wilson, an FBI agent who has worked on child pornography cases.

"Connect the dots: If an FBI agent is working on child pornography issues for five years, why is he subpoenaing the laptop of Hunter Biden? Is there a connection here?" Bartiromo asked Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis.

Our ruling
Several Facebook posts claim "Hunter Biden had 25,000 pics of him torturing and raping children under age 10 in China on his laptop."

There is no evidence to support that.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...unter-biden-a/

That's all interesting and likely true. But it never reported on an actual laptop. Oh well.

TahiniBinShawarma 20th October 2020 06:03 PM

"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"

Minoosh 20th October 2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264322)
No, of course not. If at this point in the game Trump is using these emails to try to discredit Biden and claiming he didn't know they were fake, when in fact he was told about it and was told that the emails on the laptop were forged.... then I want to know.

Did I miss it? I'm not seeing any widespread claim that the emails are fake.

From the Columbus Dispatch:
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The main email highlighted by the Post is an April 2015 message that it said was sent to Hunter Biden by Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to Burisma’s board. In it, he thanks the younger Biden “for inviting me to DC and giving an opportunity to meet your father and spent (sic) some time together. It’s realty (sic) an honor and pleasure.”
Why would anyone bother making that up? It's a perfectly ordinary email and the Biden campaign has said it has no official record of such a meeting but that it could have happened.

If you have the text of other emails please link to them.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264322)
That again would be shocking, that the emails have already been shown to be fake and we aren't being told.

Who's job is it to tell us? And again, who says they're fake?

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264322)
Why wouldn't Biden say something?

He has said something.
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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264322)
It would be a terrific bit of corruption to take into the last days of the election.

What would the news be? Donald Trump is corrupt?

dirtywick 20th October 2020 06:14 PM

Trump getting Giuliani to fake an email and slander an opponents son is pretty tame for this administration honestly. Doing it in the most stupidly ham handed way possible is expected

Minoosh 20th October 2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13264523)
Trump getting Giuliani to fake an email and slander an opponents son is pretty tame for this administration honestly. Doing it in the most stupidly ham handed way possible is expected

You'd think he could have done better if he wanted to make something up.

dirtywick 20th October 2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264540)
You'd think he could have done better if he wanted to make something up.

I don’t think they’ve ever shown any ability or interest in being clever.

TahiniBinShawarma 20th October 2020 06:47 PM

Giuliani goes there

"sexually inappropriate...with a unnamed 14 year old girl"

"numerous pictures of underage girls"

Turns over evidence to Delaware State Police.

Don't shoot the messenger!

Bogative 20th October 2020 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264516)
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"


It's going to be entertaining watching those who have been lecturing us about not trusting US government agencies, and what they say about the Russians, spin this one into orbit.

dirtywick 20th October 2020 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264545)
Giuliani goes there

"sexually inappropriate...with a unnamed 14 year old girl"

"numerous pictures of underage girls"

Turns over evidence to Delaware State Police.

Don't shoot the messenger!

Lol don’t worry this isn’t Kenosha nobody is going to shoot you. But I thought the computer guy gave the FBI the hard drive a while ago? So this guy has a hard drive full of child porn and hands it over to Rudy who, and I’ll remind you this is a hard drive full of child porn, that he sits on for a week doing the talk show circuit and when the media doesn’t bite he finally decides it’s time to contact the police, while holding a hard drive full of child porn that he got from a computer repair guy who claims it’s a copy from Hunter Biden that he couldn’t actually see without his glasses.

And Hunter Biden is the problem here?

TahiniBinShawarma 20th October 2020 07:41 PM

FWIW

"@peterschweizer
BREAKING. Hearing that Bevan Cooney who has shared his Biden related emails with us has been REMOvED from the federal facility in Oregon where he is being detained"

Elagabalus 20th October 2020 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264576)
FWIW

"@peterschweizer
BREAKING. Hearing that Bevan Cooney who has shared his Biden related emails with us has been REMOvED from the federal facility in Oregon where he is being detained"

Not much. Got anybody else besides Breitbart, OAN and Glen Beck?

Skeptic Ginger 20th October 2020 07:59 PM

I should put these in categories of laughable, SBAR (stupid beyond all reason), or here it is already addressed and/or 'exactly'.

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13263453)
... It's almost like the actual credibility of the information isn't the primary consideration, and you're just making excuses to dismiss information you don't like and to amplify information you do.

I'm pretty sure this is a common theme.

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Originally Posted by Tero (Post 13263552)
Very believable laptop:
-NY Post
-Daily mail
-Foxnews
-Bannon, Breitbart
“Hunter Biden’s lawyer has come to us both with phone calls and with emails saying, ‘Hey, I’ve got to get the hard drive back,’” Bannon told Sky News on Sunday.

It's SBAR. Giuliani couldn't find anyone interested except the NY Post.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13263722)
... When Trump claims, with zero evidence, that Hunter Biden beat a hooker to death with a bottle of champagne, he knows that the "Is it Champagne or is it just sparkling wine?" debate will occur and both sides will claim victory over it even if the whole setup original question is laughably false.

The talking heads know we as a society will nitpick the nuance of a pointless question.

Exactly and so we are having this conversation.

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Originally Posted by The Moog (Post 13263772)
A journalist posted a scan of the receipt and a different signature of Biden on twitter.
here :
https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/st...84991525502977

Comparing them upside down is interesting, my completely amateur analysis is these are very much not from the same person.

It's absurdly not even close. But the point is, keep the story in the news feed.

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13263832)
Rudy Giuliani said Biden was drunk when he came in. The repair guy said he wasn't sure Biden ever came in because he can't see. I'm not sure how those two get reconciled without resorting to "bald faced lie".

:sdl:

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13263848)
Fox are now reporting that they have confirmed the story though...?

:dl:

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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza (Post 13263849)
I'm not disputing that, only saying that I didn't know that before, and that the article should not have been published the way it was, and curious why the Biden law team didn't do more to prevent publication.

My guess now is that they saw how much this would be an own-goal for Trump and the Post.

Exactly, and given the point isn't to present a credible story, the point is to present the SBAR nonsense. Any engagement by Biden is a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Firestone (Post 13263892)
They claim to have "sources" saying that Big Guy is Joe.
They also claim that they spoke to one of the people who was copied on the email, who confirmed its authenticity.

However, they don't claim that the "sources" and the people copied on the email are the same.

"Sources" could be Giuliani or Bannon, for all we know.

Pretty sure we do know, Giuliani is the source and maybe the Russians helped him out.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13263894)
See Firestone's email. Fox claim to have been in touch with a recipient of one of the emails.

:dl:

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Originally Posted by fishbob (Post 13263931)
No where does it say the person wasn't a space alien reptoid either.

This means we need to be prepared to be invaded by the space alien reptoid fleet.

Bingo!

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Originally Posted by fishbob (Post 13263931)
PS - any word on Barr's condition?
I mean Covid, not his transformation into a space alien reptoid.

He has an appearance scheduled Thursday. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13264019)
*Wheels the chalkboard into the room...*

Okay so.... the evil Jewish cabal... in associations with the NWO (both the evil global conspiracy and the 90s Wrestling Stable)... built the Denver Airport... as a place to hide Hillary's E-mail server... to cover up the fact the she killed Vince Foster... to prevent him from talking about her secret underground pizza parlor child sex dungeon... and the pieces that connect the dots where all on Hunter Biden's laptop.

I think you're on to something here.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264153)
The FBI had better come out with some details soon, or in your scenario, they will have known about a Russian plan to influence the election a year out and silently let it run its course.

:dl:

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Originally Posted by Armitage72 (Post 13264166)
Like they did last time?

:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue (Post 13264186)
Oh really.

Well I have a shoe box in my closet that could implicate you in the Black Dahlia murders.

We're a lot of proven facts down the ladder from "Joe Biden did anything."

But yes I know let's argue about the bottle that Hunter Biden didn't beat a hooker to death was champagne or sparkling whine (pun intended.)

:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264225)
I love how Hunter is depicted both as an utterly unreliable crackhead pedophile *and* a highly credible reporter of his dad’s alleged corruption.

Almost always the case with CTs.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264236)
They very clearly brief people about ongoing investigations. They briefed Trump and Obama about the Steele dossier while that was an ongoing investigation. We've been hearing about them briefing Obama about Flynn before that became an active investigation.

The way we are talking about this, it's like one of those nature documentaries where some innocent baby gazelle is about to be killed by a pack of hyenas and the film crew do nothing because they have vowed not to interfere in the natural order. I don't believe the FBI takes that same approach with foreign election interference.

:rolleyes: I'm pretty sure such meetings are confidential and unlike Trump, Biden respects that confidentiality.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264247)
In that case, a new federal agency needs to be set up to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats.

They weren't too bad before Trump stepped in to make the top leaders his ass-kissing minions. Wray seems to be holding his own for now.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264253)
Sure, but they then apparently decided not to tell him about this actual attempt. If I know specifically that your neighbour is a homicidal maniac, has found the spare key to your house and has been muttering about killing you.... giving you a generalized warning that there are a lot of dangerous people about and your wife shouldn't leave the key under the mat is wilfully non-specific.

If someone's life was at risk, the FBI would move in. Your analogy is SBAR.

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264253)
The information about the laptop had not been spread far and wide. At the moment it seems like the FBI knew about it for 10 months and allowed it to develop into a trap for either Biden or Trump.

:sdl: You're still operating on an SBAR premise.

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264255)
The evidence exists. It's just that the current president not only ignores it, he does his best to discredit it if it implicates any of his dictator buddies.

And this is the problem with bothering to discredit the story.

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Originally Posted by CapelDodger (Post 13264418)
It's hard to credit that something this laughable is the actual October Surprise. Misdirection, surely?

:sdl:

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Originally Posted by Minoosh (Post 13264540)
You'd think he could have done better if he wanted to make something up.

Trump sent the idiot Giuliani because Trump cannot been seen as directly involved. But maybe Trump asked the Russians to make this laptop nonsense up and they did a half-assed job too.

Beelzebuddy 20th October 2020 08:04 PM

Well, here's Giuliani admitting it's a hoax on a radio show:

"even if it isn’t accurate, the American people are entitled to know it"

kookbreaker 20th October 2020 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264576)
FWIW

"@peterschweizer
BREAKING. Hearing that Bevan Cooney who has shared his Biden related emails with us has been REMOvED from the federal facility in Oregon where he is being detained"

The Conspiracy Theory forum is thataway —————->

TellyKNeasuss 20th October 2020 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264516)
"Major Garrett
@MajorCBS
Via
@ClareHymes22

@CBSNews


The FBI & DOJ concur with DNI Ratcliffe’s assessment that Hunter Biden's laptop and the emails in question were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign. FBI does has possession of the Hunter Biden laptop in question.

@DNI_Ratcliffe

@FBI"

Do they have all 3 laptops?

Bogative 20th October 2020 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kookbreaker (Post 13264591)
The Conspiracy Theory forum is thataway —————->


What's the conspiracy? That he was moved from his cell or that he gave Breitbart reporters access to his emails?

Quote:

Tyrmand, who is in contact with members of Cooney’s family, told Breitbart News that Cooney was moved from his cell in a federal prison in Oregon around 11:00 a.m. local time on Tuesday. Tyrmand said that Cooney spoke with family members multiple times on Tuesday, which he said is “much more than usual.”

“Bevan could sense that things had changed with the rise in visibility of his story,” Tyrmand said.

Cooney’s family stressed to Tyrmand they are “extremely concerned given the nervousness gleaned from Bevan’s reaction this morning and they would appreciate a sign from the powers that be that Bevan is in protective custody.” It is unclear where Cooney has been moved to, and in whose custody he currently is.
Link

Bogative 20th October 2020 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss (Post 13264621)
Do they have all 3 laptops?


There is only one laptop. John Paul, the owner of the repair store, sent two of them home with Biden because one of them could not be repaired and the other was a quick fix that didn't need to be left at the shop

shuttlt 21st October 2020 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtywick (Post 13264568)
Lol don’t worry this isn’t Kenosha nobody is going to shoot you. But I thought the computer guy gave the FBI the hard drive a while ago? So this guy has a hard drive full of child porn and hands it over to Rudy who, and I’ll remind you this is a hard drive full of child porn, that he sits on for a week doing the talk show circuit and when the media doesn’t bite he finally decides it’s time to contact the police, while holding a hard drive full of child porn that he got from a computer repair guy who claims it’s a copy from Hunter Biden that he couldn’t actually see without his glasses.

And Hunter Biden is the problem here?

So, if there turns out to be child porn of Hunter Biden with a 14 year old girl on the laptop, and the FBI have done nothing about it... in your opinion the bad guy in the story is Giuliani for having revealed that in a way that maximizes how bad it makes Biden and all the people covering it up look?

Stacyhs 21st October 2020 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264740)
So, if there turns out to be child porn of Hunter Biden with a 14 year old girl on the laptop, and the FBI have done nothing about it... in your opinion the bad guy in the story is Giuliani for having revealed that in a way that maximizes how bad it makes Biden and all the people covering it up look?

Which Biden are you referring to here? There is no evidence that Joe Biden is covering any pornography up, much less anything else. If turns out that HUNTER Biden engaged in sex with a 14 year old, he should have the book thrown at him. But it would have nothing to do with Joe Biden.

Firestone 21st October 2020 12:51 AM

This "scandal" is amazing, even by today's standards.

It started with "Biden has met some guy from Burisma".

When it became clear that this meeting never happened, it became "Biden, the Big Guy, may have been involved in a business scheme in China".

Now that it appears that some guy vaguely related to the Trump campaign (wait, his name is, I have it on the tip of my lips, ah yes, Donald J. Trump) has actual business interests in China, it went into PizzaGate territory: "there is child porn on the computer".

Evidence? None whatsoever.

All they want is trigger a"Comey letter" moment, find someone at the DOJ release a statement that the "thing" is under investigation.

The Don 21st October 2020 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13264742)
Which Biden are you referring to here? There is no evidence that Joe Biden is covering any pornography up, much less anything else. If turns out that HUNTER Biden engaged in sex with a 14 year old, he should have the book thrown at him. But it would have nothing to do with Joe Biden.

It seems that the narrative is that the parent is responsible for the (alleged) sins of their children no matter how old the child is.

If Hunter Biden had a substance abuse problem then it must be a fault with his genes (unlike President Trump who has the best genes) and/or his upbringing (unlike the Trump children who have had the perfect childhood).

The fact that Hunter Biden has unfounded allegations of possession of possessing child pornography and being a hebephile or ephebophile indicates that there must be something terribly wrong with him - there's no smoke without fire - which again must be a problem with his genes or upbringing. :rolleyes:

Please note however, this only applies to the children of prominent Democrats.

Squeegee Beckenheim 21st October 2020 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264272)
Whether Trump acts appropriately on it doesn't mean that the FBI should sit on it. If they inform him and he does nothing, that's on him. If they don't inform him, or Biden, then that's on them.

You've switched from saying that you don't believe it doesn't happen to saying that you don't believe it should happen. Those are two very different statements.

shuttlt 21st October 2020 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim (Post 13264748)
You've switched from saying that you don't believe it doesn't happen to saying that you don't believe it should happen. Those are two very different statements.

One is a statement about what I think should happen, hence I used the word "should". The other is a statement about what I believed happen, hence the word "believe".

Squeegee Beckenheim 21st October 2020 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogative (Post 13264561)
It's going to be entertaining watching those who have been lecturing us about not trusting US government agencies, and what they say about the Russians, spin this one into orbit.

Meh, the take I heard is that the tale is so obviously false that it's too sloppy to be Russian disinformation, and is instead likely someone trying to imitate it. I can believe that. We'll see.

Mind you, the source is Fox News, and Garrett is just repeating it. As I said, we'll see.

[edit]Here's the story. Note the source of their information:

Quote:

The FBI is in possession of the laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden which contained emails revealing his foreign business dealings, including contacts in Ukraine and China, two senior administration officials told Fox News Tuesday.

Squeegee Beckenheim 21st October 2020 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuttlt (Post 13264753)
One is a statement about what I think should happen, hence I used the word "should". The other is a statement about what I believed happen, hence the word "believe".

Yes, dear. That's literally what I've just said.

shuttlt 21st October 2020 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs (Post 13264742)
Which Biden are you referring to here? There is no evidence that Joe Biden is covering any pornography up, much less anything else. If turns out that HUNTER Biden engaged in sex with a 14 year old, he should have the book thrown at him. But it would have nothing to do with Joe Biden.

He doesn't seem to have had the book thrown at him though, does he? 10 months later and nothing. The story will be that this was covered up to protect Biden. Of course it will be a problem for Biden if this comes out.

Squeegee Beckenheim 21st October 2020 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy (Post 13264589)
Well, here's Giuliani admitting it's a hoax on a radio show:

"even if it isn’t accurate, the American people are entitled to know it"

That link also has him quoted as saying that he chose to give it to the NTP because he knew they wouldn't try to verify the story before publishing.

This lot really do say the quiet part out loud, don't they?

Squeegee Beckenheim 21st October 2020 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahiniBinShawarma (Post 13264545)
Giuliani goes there

"sexually inappropriate...with a unnamed 14 year old girl"

"numerous pictures of underage girls"

Turns over evidence to Delaware State Police.

Don't shoot the messenger!

Delaware state police have issued a statement saying that they turned it all over to the FBI because of the questions around the credibility of the claims

Well, that's a vindication of Giuliani if ever I read one.


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