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dudalb 3rd February 2009 12:56 PM

Batman goes Postal on Film Set
 
Christian Bale blows up with the Director of Photograph steps into his line of vision on the set of "Terminator:Salvation".

Warning: The language is definently R rated.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_audio/0202...istianbale.mp3

Wow. It has been a long time since we had a celeb meltdown as good as this.
Between this, the incident with his mother in London just before "The Dark Knight" premiere, and other incidents, I would say that Bale has Anger issues.
Yeah, the DP should not have gotten into his line of vision, but still...
And this just adds to my dislike of McG, the director of this film. The guy on the tape comes off like milkwater. He cannot control his own set, something any director has to do.
One of the entertaining celeb incidents lately.

dudalb 3rd February 2009 01:21 PM

And it did not take long for someone to have some photoshop fun with this...http://www.internationalskeptics.com...8a7335e3be.jpg

HarryKeogh 3rd February 2009 01:34 PM

If I made millions of dollars acting, was great-looking and Batman I'd be too busy skipping and smiling to ever stop to yell at someone.

332nd 3rd February 2009 02:01 PM

Granted, I would have been pissed too, but nothing like that.

alfaniner 3rd February 2009 02:15 PM

Probably the 'roid rage kicking in.

I'm curious to know how the next take went.

calebprime 3rd February 2009 03:23 PM

To me, it didn't seem that over the top, but I don't know all the circumstances and I couldn't hear the other side of the exchange well enough.

dudalb 3rd February 2009 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by calebprime (Post 4403272)
To me, it didn't seem that over the top, but I don't know all the circumstances and I couldn't hear the other side of the exchange well enough.

I would love to know what is your idea of going over the top. Try that in your workplace and see what happens.

EventHorizon 3rd February 2009 04:36 PM

He should have asked the guy if he likes Huey Lewis and the News.

Ian Osborne 3rd February 2009 04:53 PM

I wonder how rich and famous you need to be before you can act like a complete tit like that and get away with it.

Lonewulf 3rd February 2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by calebprime (Post 4403272)
To me, it didn't seem that over the top, but I don't know all the circumstances and I couldn't hear the other side of the exchange well enough.

Uh, it's pretty over the top, to me... it's bullying, yelling, and very insulting. Not to mention the language used.

And he certainly goes at length at it.

Also, "I'm going to go kick your ass!" and "I'm going to go trash your lights!" That's... uh... not over the top?

To be fair, I can understand the stress he's going through, but almost everyone goes through stress during their job.

dudalb 3rd February 2009 05:18 PM

If it would have been a brief ourburst of a few sentences, no big deal. But go to into a five minute rant..that indicates some problems with anger.
But I guess he thinks he can do what he wants because he is the Goddamn Batman...

Biscuit 3rd February 2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eventhorizon (Post 4403452)
he should have asked the guy if he likes huey lewis and the news.

rotflmao!!!

dudalb 3rd February 2009 05:24 PM

If James Cameron was directing this film with Christian Bale, only one would be alive by now,since Cameron has the reputation of having a temper on set like The Incredible Hulk....

dudalb 3rd February 2009 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EventHorizon (Post 4403452)
He should have asked the guy if he likes Huey Lewis and the News.


Actually, I am reminded of Casey Casem's infamous " F---- Dead Dog" meltdown.

KingMerv00 3rd February 2009 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EventHorizon (Post 4403452)
He should have asked the guy if he likes Huey Lewis and the News.

"Is that a raincoat batsuit?"

Aerik 3rd February 2009 06:08 PM

Melissa McEwan has a colorful interpretation of bale's rant here: http://shakespearessister.blogspot.c...ale-remix.html

hgc 3rd February 2009 06:30 PM

Question: Does the point where Bale says to him "you're a nice guy" make it even more personally humiliating for the target of his tamtrum?

This was a serious overraction, no matter what happened. There is no denying that someone in that exchange is a major league prick. Good actor, though.

hgc 3rd February 2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 4403594)
Actually, I am reminded of Casey Casem's infamous " F---- Dead Dog" meltdown.


That's the best. Let's listen.

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And while we're at it, how about the famous Orson Welles frozen peas meltdown. You really get what a twisted genius he was. "You don't know what I'm up against. It's full of .. of .. of things that are only correct because they're grammatical. But it's tough on the ear ... unpleasant to read; unrewarding"

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Corsair 115 3rd February 2009 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 4402854)
Christian Bale blows up with the Director of Photograph steps into his line of vision on the set of "Terminator:Salvation".


Uh, it's not a smart move to tick off the camera department. They can make the actor's day a rough one. Say the actor gives a great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, hair in the gate. We need another take." So the actor pours out another great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, that one was soft. We need to go again." Repeat as needed. And then there's the fact that they can make any actor look terrible on film by lighting them the wrong way.

Don't tick off the camera department, folks.


Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 4403578)
If James Cameron was directing this film with Christian Bale, only one would be alive by now,since Cameron has the reputation of having a temper on set like The Incredible Hulk....


The stories about Cameron on set are legendary, no doubt. Though in a recent interview here on the CBC show The Hour, Cameron more or less admits to being something of an s.o.b. on set, but says he has a better attitude now and saw the errors in his old ways.

hgc 3rd February 2009 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Corsair 115 (Post 4403847)
Uh, it's not a smart move to tick off the camera department. They can make the actor's day a rough one. Say the actor gives a great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, hair in the gate. We need another take." So the actor pours out another great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, that one was soft. We need to go again." Repeat as needed. And then there's the fact that they can make any actor look terrible on film by lighting them the wrong way.

Don't tick off the camera department, folks.


Sounds like subtle sabotage. I don't think any camera department will be trying that with Christian Bale. Apparently, he fights back. And in the famous words of the Glenn Ford character in The Violent Men, "Don't force me to fight, because you won't like my way of fightin'"

plumjam 3rd February 2009 07:19 PM

I remember reading a magazine interview with Bale in which IIRC he more or less said he really disliked acting and only did it to make the very good living that it gives him.
It was surprising, and kind of refreshing, because nearly all of them twonk on about it being an art they're so devoted to, and endeavour to present it as something profound blah blah..etc.
Hope that's accurate. Wouldn't want to create a Bale Straw Man

Corsair 115 3rd February 2009 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hgc (Post 4403873)
Sounds like subtle sabotage. I don't think any camera department will be trying that with Christian Bale.


Don't treat the camera department like dirt, because if you do, you're liable to find shooting will start going more slowly and there'll be all kinds of technical issues. A good camera operator and a good D.O.P. can save hours of production time on a film set—this is especially true when the director is inexperienced or otherwise subpar. Treat the camera guys badly, and they're not going to have much reason to offer those time- and money-saving ideas and techniques.

shecky 3rd February 2009 11:17 PM

I like Buddy Rich's rants better.

gumboot 4th February 2009 12:00 AM

It's worth hearing the whole story on these sorts of things. One of the Assistant Directors (and also executive producer, but his role as an AD is more relevant here) has said that Bale was normally completely professional on the shoot and simply lost it for a few moments at the end of a very long hard day, and after that was perfectly fine again.

Some of you are also misrepresenting the situation somewhat. The Director of Photography walked onto the set and into the shot during a take to make an adjustment to a light. From what Bale said, this was not the first time this had happened, and there was an issue with this DP constantly moving about during a take.

If a low-level crew member did something like that there's a good chance they'd be fired on the spot. It's an absolute no-no. You NEVER walk into shot during a take.

Bear in mind this happened during filming of one of the most drama-intensive scenes of the entire film. While some actors have this surreal ability to snap in and out of character, most actors have to go through a process of descending into their character, and for some it can be quite hard to do, and hard to maintain. We've all heard legendary stories of actors who were so "in the moment" that they did things in character that were not intended. Martin Sheen smashing the mirror in Apocalypse Now, and Juliette Lewis breaking Tom Sizemore's nose in Natural Born Killers.

I can imagine an actor being irate at a crew member for screwing up a dramatic scene - it takes hours to set up a shot and get everything exactly right, and even though you can do multiple takes, once you get that one performance/shot that nails it, you will never, ever get that same perfect shot again.

If that particular crew member has screwed up shots previously, and if that crew member is a HOD who should know better, and if the actor is tired and stressed by a hard day's work and perhaps the recent untimely death of a fellow actor, yeah, I can imagine the actor losing it and biting the guy's head off.

This sort of thing is actually pretty common. As as 2nd AD I once had to interrupt a very angry argument between a Producer and Director to tell the Director to get on set so we could start shooting. At final technical rehearsals for a stage production of Les Miserables me and the entire rest of the cast hastily made our way out of the auditorium when the director and stage manager started an outright screaming match with each other.

In those sorts of highly strung close-proximity situations, people lose it. True professionals are the ones that get over it quickly, move on, and keep working. We have no evidence that Bale held any sort of grudge against the DP - he even says in the rant he's a good guy.

Let's not judge too soon.

(By the way, the OP doesn't make it clear, but this incident happened months ago - the news is that audio of the incident has just emerged)

Cain 4th February 2009 12:05 AM

A few thoughts. It's bad, but I don't think it's as bad as everyone suggests. People talk worse in construction, the military, and some offices. People are interested in Bale's meltdown because he's rich, famous, talented and good looking. That's why he's interesting -- I suppose -- and why fans think his behavior is somehow justified, which is crazy. The best comment I heard is to imagine if a woman had gone off on such a rant. She'd be universally condemned as a ****-bitch from hell. Anyway, I bet that guy didn't walk into his sight-line again.

gumboot 4th February 2009 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corsair 115 (Post 4403847)
Uh, it's not a smart move to tick off the camera department. They can make the actor's day a rough one. Say the actor gives a great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, hair in the gate. We need another take." So the actor pours out another great take... the camera guys go, "Ooops, sorry, that one was soft. We need to go again." Repeat as needed. And then there's the fact that they can make any actor look terrible on film by lighting them the wrong way.

I very much doubt a Focus Puller with start doing that sort of crap to back up a DP. DPs generally come through the lighting department, not Camera, and Shane Hurlbut is no exception.

Aside from that, in my experience Focus Pullers are the most precise, technical capable, and professional people on a film set. It comes with the job.

Now the lighting department, yeah I could see them doing crap like that.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Corsair 115 (Post 4403847)
The stories about Cameron on set are legendary, no doubt. Though in a recent interview here on the CBC show The Hour, Cameron more or less admits to being something of an s.o.b. on set, but says he has a better attitude now and saw the errors in his old ways.

How recent? My friend worked with him on Avatar last year and said the guy's a total ass-wipe.

gumboot 4th February 2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Cain (Post 4404469)
The best comment I heard is to imagine if a woman had gone off on such a rant. She'd be universally condemned as a ****-bitch from hell.


Actresses do that sort of thing far more often than actors, in my experience. And they're far more likely to hold a grudge. Samantha Morton decided she didn't like Vincent Ward on River Queen and nearly destroyed the film as a result.

If something like that happened during an intense scene of a film, I would expect either an actor, or the director, or maybe the 1st AD to go off like that. Perhaps not for that long, but I'd expect plenty of swearing and threats that they get fired.

Yes, that's how bad walking onto the set during a take is.

four elevener 4th February 2009 12:50 AM

Can you imagine a film starring Christian Bale and Russell Crowe, with Naomi Campbell in a supporting role and directed by James Cameron?

Corsair 115 4th February 2009 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumboot (Post 4404476)
I very much doubt a Focus Puller with start doing that sort of crap to back up a DP. DPs generally come through the lighting department, not Camera, and Shane Hurlbut is no exception.


Depends on who hired who and if they've all worked together before, and the size of the crew involved and the scale of the shoot.


Quote:

Originally Posted by gumboot (Post 4404476)
How recent? My friend worked with him on Avatar last year and said the guy's a total ass-wipe.


It was rerun here a few weeks back. Not sure when it was taped, probably back in the summer I think. Cameron was in Toronto as he had received a star on the Canadian Walk of Fame.

TX50 4th February 2009 02:12 AM

No idea who "Christian Baler" is but in that he certainly sounds like a self-
important bell-end. Like most of these so-called "celebrities" he needs to go
and get a real job.

Tbone 4th February 2009 02:17 AM

When I heard this clip, the first thing I thought was how much he stuck with the American accent during the rant (although some UK did slip in there). If I was flying off the handle, I probably wouldn't put too much thought into talking like the guy I'm acting. But then again, when Bale was promoting Batman, he didn't speak in a Welsh accent during the entire time and had the nameplate on his trailer read "Bruce Wayne."

gumboot 4th February 2009 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tbone (Post 4404650)
When I heard this clip, the first thing I thought was how much he stuck with the American accent during the rant (although some UK did slip in there). If I was flying off the handle, I probably wouldn't put too much thought into talking like the guy I'm acting. But then again, when Bale was promoting Batman, he didn't speak in a Welsh accent during the entire time and had the nameplate on his trailer read "Bruce Wayne."


He's apparently a pretty full-on method actor who really gets into his role.

calebprime 4th February 2009 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 4403431)
I would love to know what is your idea of going over the top. Try that in your workplace and see what happens.


Well, I agree. Behavior is contextual.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that all life is like an office job. Thank fsm, it's not.

and, someone mentioned Buddy Rich--the good drummer, famous for his rants.

I'm a musician--my workplace was a soundproofed room, and I screamed and swore much worse than that when I worked--and that's when things were going well.


@ Lonewulf

mitigating circumstances:

1) He's an intense actor, hired for that trait.
2) There was a provocation
3) He complains about the provocation, he doesn't globalize that much
4) He wants to get back to work

(5) ? again, it matters a good deal what was being said back to him--the worst thing you can do with someone who is upset like this is not to take him seriously

Chris H 4th February 2009 04:39 AM

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Probably a good thing Bale didn't notice this... ;)

Chris

Lonewulf 4th February 2009 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by calebprime (Post 4404741)
@ Lonewulf

mitigating circumstances:

1) He's an intense actor, hired for that trait.
2) There was a provocation
3) He complains about the provocation, he doesn't globalize that much
4) He wants to get back to work

(5) ? again, it matters a good deal what was being said back to him--the worst thing you can do with someone who is upset like this is not to take him seriously

Er, "he wants to get back to work"?

You didn't listen to the clip, I see. Since he did anything but get back to work, as the other guy tried to placate him and get back to work, just as mentioned. Bale would "calm down" for a second, then come back, getting worse and worse, eventually threatening to do physical harm to him.

So strike 4. As for 3, I'm pretty sure the provocation wasn't worth "kicking his ass". In fact, takes get ruined all the time. What the hell do you think blooper reels are for?

The "mitigating circumstances" just seems like an excuse to apologize for the rich/famous. The response didn't match the provocation, I can't get away with insulting and physically threatening a coworker just because I'm "intense" (even if I landed an acting gig), unless I somehow got incredibly famous/rich, and 4 is just outright wrong.

mummymonkey 4th February 2009 05:27 AM

Christian "Out On" Bail sounds like a bully. There's no excuse for that behaviour. Been making films since he was a boy and probably used to getting his own way.

BenBurch 4th February 2009 07:06 AM

I don't see the issue.

Have you ever acted?

This would have ruined ANY scene.

calebprime 4th February 2009 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lonewulf (Post 4404873)
Er, "he wants to get back to work"?

You didn't listen to the clip, I see. Since he did anything but get back to work, as the other guy tried to placate him and get back to work, just as mentioned. Bale would "calm down" for a second, then come back, getting worse and worse, eventually threatening to do physical harm to him.

So strike 4. As for 3, I'm pretty sure the provocation wasn't worth "kicking his ass". In fact, takes get ruined all the time. What the hell do you think blooper reels are for?

The "mitigating circumstances" just seems like an excuse to apologize for the rich/famous. The response didn't match the provocation, I can't get away with insulting and physically threatening a coworker just because I'm "intense" (even if I landed an acting gig), unless I somehow got incredibly famous/rich, and 4 is just outright wrong.

I did in fact listen to the clip, and he says several times, let's do another take. I read his behavior as being psyched, stressed, and impatient.

McEnroe was far more obnoxious than this.



Gumboot has already spoken to the way things are done on set. The norm for behavior is not the same as the norm for an office. This doesn't excuse whatever his behavior was, but it also speaks to one of the main issues here: People who are used to polite conversation and a high degree of inhibition are going to be a little shocked or perhaps envious. Someone dropped his smiley face!

Whether he was actually threatening (in the physical sense) is not there for us to see--that's a matter of who was standing where, conveying what body language.

Anger occurs in time. You get angry, you're that way for a minute or two.

Perhaps he's an asshat--I have no idea from this clip.

I'm not going to go back and listen again--unless there's some serious issue about who said what that would change things. Once was enough. If we want to get into close reading, I think we should transcribe it. Turn up the gain enough, we can hear both sides of the conversation, although not what led up to it. But I'm not going to do this, unless I'm really desperate for something to do.

My scorn is reserved for the 6 O'clock News types who were chortling over this, enjoying it, and pulling out cliches like "Someone is going to need to attend his anger management classes!"

These are the people I fear, not the "bullies" or "temperamental" types.

Lonewulf 4th February 2009 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenBurch (Post 4405080)
I don't see the issue.

Have you ever acted?

This would have ruined ANY scene.

Yeah, ruined the scene. So horrible. They'd have to do it over again. That's never happened before; egads.

People have done less over issues of road rage, or after an accident.

BenBurch 4th February 2009 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lonewulf (Post 4405101)
Yeah, ruined the scene. So horrible. They'd have to do it over again. That's never happened before; egads.

People have done less over issues of road rage, or after an accident.

Its not like he pulled out a gun. He screamed at the guy who was interrupting a shoot. A shoot costs about $3,000 per hour on a sound stage if I recall correctly. So you screw up a scene (and this was the SECOND time the same person did it) and it costs money.


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