Continued: (Ed) Atheism Plus/Free Thought Blogs (FTB)
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Can anyone point to even one social justice blogger who said something like men are always rapists but never victims? Betcha a sandwich no one can. |
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http://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/...lways-rape-ok/ http://isabelthespy.tumblr.com/post/...hen-i-say-that http://ignitionpoint.tumblr.com/post...ion-when-he-is https://twitter.com/LorrieHearts/sta...68835773775872 http://aseasonedplateofmurder.tumblr...5/im-a-lesbian http://livingwithfriendsinmyhead.tum...g-off-husbands |
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Curious. I'm guessing there's some sort of homophobia component that puts this into the best avoided category. |
I love watching hyper-literalism in action. Just remember : unless someone is literally setting a Wiccan on fire, whatever is happening doesn't constitute a witch-hunt.
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Ok, I'll have a look if you can assure me that these people identify themselves with social justice rather than some other ideological movement such as radical feminism. |
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This is a good observation. Often the two are used interchangeably, but I do not see much interest in social justice by radical feminists. At least in Canada, a lot of social justice work is done by church groups, NGOs, other charitable organizations, and even cities. I do not remember any radical "anything" doing social justice work. |
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Also, I make a distinction between groups like you've described, who actually do something, and internet Social Justice Warriors who complain about white people with dreads, or men looking at them. |
An example or real, actual sexism:
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadc...ft-report.html I wonder what SJWville/A+ would make of this. Surely it's wrong to critisize a PoC cultural tradition? |
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"The girls were around 10", should actually be, "There were around 10 girls". The process may be pretty horrible, but at least no children were involved. |
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And even if I did go, I certainly wouldn't go to this. I'd go to a bar, where you can talk to a girl without violating any harassment policies. |
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Which suggests, at the very least, every SJW is a #2, if not more. |
Those unwritten policies must be pretty darn effective, because who ever heard of anybody behaving in a sexually inappropriate manner at a bar? Nobody, because that totally doesn't happen.
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Well.
About a year ago, I showed up at A+, announcing that I'd left JREF behind forever. I had been having a hard time dealing with Virus and some of our other friendly local libertarians, and having been following FTB talking about what, frankly, are some real problems within atheiskeptihumanowhatsitism as a movement, I decided to take my chances with what I thought would simply be a skeptical website for people who like their godlessness without any Ayn Rand douchebagerry. Now, I am back. I left them with no fanfare or drama, just as I stopped posting here without any unnecessary whining. I have not changed my opinion of Michael Shermer (douchebag, at least a creep and maybe worse), Penn Gillette (libertard who actually looks like the SJWs think we all look like), or Christopher Hitchens (god, so eloquent and cool and brilliant and please, please, PLEEEEEAAASE don't talk about Iraq...). I have not ceased to believe that the way we think about rape is a pretty damn massive problem. I still believe society has ****tons of biases that truly rigorous science should be working to filter out. I believe that things that aren't real--like money, race, or gods--can still hurt you. I remain as much, if not more, of a far-left ideologue as I was when I left this site in disgust in 2013. But damn, at least you're sane. I have roamed the width and breath of the internet. I have seen the dankest, sweatiest, neckbeardiest of Men's Rights pages, and perused the sunless, shrieking Ocanthus that is the radfem echo chamber. I have watched a genderspecial My Little Pony fan convinced that Applejack's little sister was a transwoman argue with a white supremacist My Little Pony fan who was deeply repulsed at the notion that, if Twilight Sparkle was a human, she might not be a white human. They both agreed that pornographic My Little Pony fanfiction was destroying society. My god. I played along with these people for months--I figured there must be more to their ideas, something deeper than this petty nonsense that I just wasn't getting yet. And it looked like it, too--for a while, I couldn't go a day without finding out about some little stat or study that made me understand a little more why my mother didn't like to use parking garages. Did you know I used to wonder if I was cursed or something, because practically every single woman I've ever been with was raped or abused? It turns out that I'm just the one guy they all trusted enough to tell and trust that I wouldn't blame them, deny it happened, or fall all over myself defending their attacker. My personal experiences corresponded perfectly with the statistics they showed me, and which I still haven't been able to find fault with. But no matter how much I looked, I've never been able to find anything that justifies the SJW habit of randomly abusing people different from themselves. Their excuses about power just aren't logical--me being stronger than somebody else means I have to take care not to clock them if I'm swinging a hammer, not that they have free licence to flail around with hand tools around me. Not that they care--it seems like they love to imagine they're hurting people's feelings ("Aww, look at all the white tears!"), and actually get offended if they realize you're giggling at their rants. A+ is a little more stable than the wilds of tumblr--probably because actual full-on TERFs and black melanin theorists would never have wound up in skeptical circles in the first place. But my god, the place is a cyst. It's like those little tiny communities in the bible belt where the town radical is the one guy who voted Obama and still calls him an N-word--it's mentally inbred and so invested in itself that it's only the obscure and insular nature of the site that keeps it from being overrun with Poe's Law trolls like Conservapedia. There's nothing behind these people. I've taken their truth, and nothing worthwhile is left over. I know less than I did when I left here, and the only tool that can help me find right from wrong is the one that these people explode into conniptions at the mere mention of. Logic is misogynistic. How dare I imply that somebody isn't acting rationally--I clearly mean that I believe their roaming uterus to be muddling their fragile woman minds. Logic is racist. Staying calm and using spelling and punctuation when the other person is communicating entirely in slam poetry means I'm an arrogant elitist who can't comprehend the warrior spirit of a strong woman of color. Logic is classist, because only rich people can use it. Wait, I can't argue with this one--I only have eleven dollars on the entire planet, and you just proved yourself right anyway. Logic is the only tool that works. Experimentation is the only tool that can reliably provide accurate information on the world. Everything else is just dross. Call me any epithet in the tumblverse, but I can't throw away who I am. I'm a skeptic, first and last, now and forever. And hi! I'm back! What did I miss? |
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngu...ific-thinking/ Skepticism has a serious problem, and there are a couple of reasons I’ve grown disenchanted with its current incarnation. Belief is a continuum, and I think that skepticism as it stands occupies an untenable part of that continuum...Myers goes on to write that there is good skepticism and bad skepticism (hyperskepticism). He finishes off by stating "So no thanks, skepticism. I’ll stick with science." |
Which is why I pay less and less attention to Dr. Myers every week. Skepticism is not a positive claim or belief. It's the process of testing your beliefs--when you fail to examine, you aren't being a skeptic. And his don't hold up--at least not in the way they're commonly applied.
Reading online social justice "literature" is actually a lot like reading Ayn Rand. It starts at reasonable assertions and things anyone can get behind, and then takes these flying leaps into tenuously related bastardry. |
Jontg welcome back from your walkabout in cloud cuckooland.
I would be curious to know if you had any interesting encounters. Did you find anyone to have interesting conversations with while you were there? |
I haven't noticed the diatribes against logic over on atheismplus, but I'm sorry you had a bad time there jontg. I do think that people often erroneously conflate tone with rationality, but there were certainly instances on there where I would agree people seemed to harshly criticize others for the sake of being mean.
I will say that the site seems to have wound down. The youngest active account is almost a year old, and it's been very quiet for months. |
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I have a vague memory of reading what may have been your first post over there. It was an introduction from someone in the same position, at any rate; someone who said they had just left the JREF forums in disgust. And I remember thinking, "This can't last long." Glad you've found your way back. |
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**Feeeeeemale! Ferengi references! I must be utterly fixated on primary sexual differentiation as the sole determiner of gender! |
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This is just the usual fun. I am sure we are all familiar with the rule that we can't say "X happens to Y group too" or anything approaching that. See this thread for a recent example of why even saying that to sympathise is wrong:
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He was white, BTW. |
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*A Social Justice Warrior is distinct, to my mind, from somebody with actual levels in a social justice PC class. It's the difference between Valerie Solanas and Emma Goldman. |
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This is what happens when you formally divorce yourselves from skepticism. |
Welcome back Jontg. Interesting story.
Can't believe this thread is still going. Have a feeling it will outlive A+. Last few times I looked in there a few months ago, it had a graveyard like feel to it and they were no longer able to keep the Potemkin index page up to date. Usually the combined viewers was under 10, with 2 or 3 members logged in. Any recent news on ceepolk? I would still love to read the exchanges that led to the hammer gettin hammered. Any others who have fallen out of favor lately? (Heh, on a whim I just checked and only 2 forums saw any activity today, and most were several days old. Wonder if they learned anything?) |
Well. It looks like they're going after Richard Dawkins again.
Just when I thought I couldn't feel any more contempt for their specious logic and petty little gotchas, along comes a brave woman of color to speak truth to power. |
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Dawkins' problem is that the only thing bigger than his brain is his mouth--his ponderous, old-school intellect is just not built for a medium with no room for articulation, especially one swarming with Social Justice NPCs who actively seek out words that they can take out of context.
ETA: Oh, and if you want to see what actually happened, rather than Heina or Avicenna's sure-to-be-pending, elaborately self-aggrandizing interpretation of it, take a look. |
Do you characterise them as NPC’s because their reactions are so predictable, or for some other reason?
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I got the idea from a twee little tumblr comic that basically boiled down to "Lulz if we're warriors, are you goblins?" |
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