International Skeptics Forum

International Skeptics Forum (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumindex.php)
-   USA Politics (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6)
-   -   Continuation The Trump Presidency Part III (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322470)

Bob001 24th August 2017 09:17 PM

The Trump Presidency Part III
 
Mod InfoThis is a continuation of this thread. As with all continuations, the spot at which the threads were broken was arbitrary and members may feel free to quote posts from the older thread. Thank you.
Posted By:Loss Leader





The Washington Post catalogs all the things Trump has undone:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f3893ab01609

quadraginta 24th August 2017 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 11971216)
The Washington Post catalogs all the things Trump has undone:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f3893ab01609


Quite a list.

No wonder the Republicans still support him.

Civet 24th August 2017 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 11971233)
Quite a list.

No wonder the Republicans still support him.

Right. Despite his buffoonish demeanor, inability to work with Congress and attempts to characterize himself as an outsider he's been a solidly effective mainstream Republican president on issues that don't require much cooperation from the legislature. It's one of the reasons why I'm curious as to whether Republican voters are siding with him in his conflicts with Republican congressmen. He's the only one who seems to be seriously advancing a GOP agenda.

McHrozni 24th August 2017 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob001 (Post 11971216)
The Washington Post catalogs all the things Trump has undone:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f3893ab01609

Whoa, a few seem to be there specifically to provoke angry responses.

Removed a bike-sharing station at the White House.

Reversed a rule that would ban gun sales to those deemed “mentally defective” by the government.

Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.


McHrozni

quadraginta 25th August 2017 12:21 AM

Quote:

Whoa, a few seem to be there specifically to provoke angry responses.

Removed a bike-sharing station at the White House.

Reversed a rule that would ban gun sales to those deemed “mentally defective” by the government.

Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.


McHrozni
None of those would bother the average conservative Republican.

#1) "Those bicycles ought to be outlawed. They don't belong on the streets endangering drivers."

#2) "How do we know who the gummint is gonna say is mentally defective?"

#3) There's already been more than one conservative Republican state legislature (I'm looking at you, NC) that has gone to the opposite extreme, forbidding by state statute the consideration of projected sea level rise for any state project planning.

McHrozni 25th August 2017 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 11971303)
None of those would bother the average conservative Republican.

Exactly, but they do anger the average Democrat. It's as if he's trying to provoke anger against himself. That could be a strategy, angry responses are typically poorly recieved and angry opponents are opponents who don't weigh their options as well as they should.

In an extreme case he could be attempting to provoke a coup. If he survives he's president for life a la Erdogan. US is not Latin America though so that's a tall, very tall order, but I can imagine Trump or whomever is behind the strategy to have that in mind and plan accordingly. If it works, fine. If it doesn't it costs them nothing while weakening the opposition.

It could also all be out of spite of course. Democrats support those policies so they will be removed with no consideration whether they're good or bad.

McHrozni

jimbob 25th August 2017 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHrozni (Post 11971316)
Exactly, but they do anger the average Democrat. It's as if he's trying to provoke anger against himself. That could be a strategy, angry responses are typically poorly recieved and angry opponents are opponents who don't weigh their options as well as they should.

In an extreme case he could be attempting to provoke a coup. If he survives he's president for life a la Erdogan. US is not Latin America though so that's a tall, very tall order, but I can imagine Trump or whomever is behind the strategy to have that in mind and plan accordingly. If it works, fine. If it doesn't it costs them nothing while weakening the opposition.

It could also all be out of spite of course. Democrats support those policies so they will be removed with no consideration whether they're good or bad.

McHrozni

I'm going with spite, and a particular former president who is far more popular and with whom Trump seems obsessed.

Pixel42 25th August 2017 01:13 AM

I don't think Trump wants to be President for life, he hates being President. It's much harder work than he expected.

The Don 25th August 2017 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pixel42 (Post 11971331)
I don't think Trump wants to be President for life, he hates being President. It's much harder work than he expected.

I think he'd like a post like king where he can attend daily rallies of people singing his praises, he gets a fancy title, a ****-load of money, all the adulation he can handle, the right to rule by decree (as long as someone else takes the blame when one of his decrees backfires) and the ability for his children to assume the post.

McHrozni 25th August 2017 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbob (Post 11971321)
I'm going with spite, and a particular former president who is far more popular and with whom Trump seems obsessed.

I agree this is possible, perhaps even the most plausible scenario. That doesn't mean it's true and I continuosly caustion against underestimating Trump as a buffoon.

He may be a buffoon. He also may be acting like a buffoon to lay the groundwork for something much, much worse. He could also be a buffoon that someone else will use to those ends. That's why I always say we shouldn't call Trump stupid all the time. It could be true, but if it is, there is nothing to do but mitigate the damage and wait him to pass anyway. If there is more to his antics than just Trump being Trump we should be watchful to prevent significantly worse events that could come.

McHrozni

newyorkguy 25th August 2017 03:20 AM

The New York Times is reporting on John Kelly's efforts to impose some order on the West Wing and to put some controls on the information Trump receives:
Quote:

White House aides were told that all materials prepared for the president must go first to Mr. Porter for vetting and clearance. Then Mr. Kelly must sign off on them before they go to Mr. Trump’s desk. That includes news articles, according to West Wing officials who described the memos’ content — of particular importance, given the propensity for some of Mr. Trump’s staff to slip him news accounts from dubious sources that shape his thinking or prompt him to cite unreliable or inaccurate information...Mr. Priebus had tried [and failed] to take firmer control of that process after Mr. Trump’s first week in office, when Stephen K. Bannon, the recently departed chief strategist, and Stephen Miller, the president’s senior policy adviser, pushed across the president’s desk two orders redesigning the National Security Council, and putting in place the first, court-contested travel ban on seven predominantly Muslim countries. Link

Worst. President. Ever.

Fast Eddie B 25th August 2017 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quadraginta (Post 11971303)

#2) "How do we know who the gummint is gonna say is mentally defective?"

1) Is there a hidden message being sent by the way you chose to spell government above?

2) The question itself raises legitimate due process concerns.

McHrozni 25th August 2017 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newyorkguy (Post 11971390)
The New York Times is reporting on John Kelly's efforts to impose some order on the West Wing and to put some controls on the information Trump receives:

Worst. President. Ever.

True, but I find this both good news and potentially alarming as well. If Trump can be influenced in this way it's good news that someone is taking reins and will begin feeding him credible information. The alarming news is that this person will now potentially hold the reins of the presidency.

McHrozni

LSSBB 25th August 2017 03:51 AM

Ok, I'm sitting in a hotel room in Poland. Only news channel on for the U.S. is CNN. The news is like 90% Trump and Company. They even have some friggin item on how a Duck Dynasty wife tweets against Trump

Sorry, I can't help but think CNN elected Trump and they love it he's there.

Argumemnon 25th August 2017 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McHrozni (Post 11971401)
True, but I find this both good news and potentially alarming as well.

We never really know with Trump, do we?

C_Felix 25th August 2017 05:16 AM

I didn't see this mentioned:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0821444c25fad



Quote:

[Andy Hemming resigned as the team lead of the group charged with being] responsible for finding positive mainstream media news stories about the Trump administration and recirculating those reports to key reporters and talking heads. Hemming’s goal was to ultimately create more mainstream coverage about positive moments for the Trump administration on the very networks the president routinely bashes and refers to as “fake news,” according to Karni’s piece.

Argumemnon 25th August 2017 05:25 AM

Pretty insane when you have people in the administration whose sole job is to make dear leader feel better.

The Don 25th August 2017 05:52 AM

President Trump's Twitter this morning:

Trying to cheer himself up with lies about how much he is getting done ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45
Few, if any, Administrations have done more in just 7 months than the Trump A. Bills passed, regulations killed, border, military, ISIS, SC!


edited to add.....

Why is he picking fights with the GOP ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 45
Strange statement by Bob Corker considering that he is constantly asking me whether or not he should run again in '18. Tennessee not happy!


Sideroxylon 25th August 2017 06:04 AM

Loon.

Stacko 25th August 2017 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 11971518)
edited to add.....

Why is he picking fights with the GOP ?

He wants a divided government. That would give him a perpetual enemy to blame for everything. Right now he and the GOP are proving they are incapable of governing. As much as he lies to blame the Dems, his problem is getting to 50 votes not 60.

NoahFence 25th August 2017 06:37 AM

Well, with Harvey about to hit Texas with the potential of Katrina like flooding, we'll see how the moron responds to a crisis that he didn't actually create in the first place.

Rincewind 25th August 2017 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Argumemnon (Post 11971490)
Pretty insane when you have people in the administration whose sole job is to make dear leader feel better.

Maybe he needs a court jester?

Stacko 25th August 2017 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11971564)
Well, with Harvey about to hit Texas with the potential of Katrina like flooding, we'll see how the moron responds to a crisis that he didn't actually create in the first place.

I'm going with angry press conference because it interrupts his weekend golfing.

The Don 25th August 2017 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11971564)
Well, with Harvey about to hit Texas with the potential of Katrina like flooding, we'll see how the moron responds to a crisis that he didn't actually create in the first place.

In the event that the storm warnings prove unnecessary because it's less serious than forecast - claim that global warming is imaginary and press for more environmental deregulation.

In the event that there is an emergency but the state and federal services cope despite the White House's dis-function - claim all the credit

In the event that there is an emergency but the state and federal services don't cope - blame everyone else

Somehow he'll also make it all about him :rolleyes:

The Don 25th August 2017 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rincewind (Post 11971567)
Maybe he needs a court jester?

He had one but Kelly fired him.....

....I miss Scaramucci :(

halleyscomet 25th August 2017 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rincewind (Post 11971567)
Maybe he needs a court jester?

Nah, he abhors competition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don (Post 11971578)
He had one but Kelly fired him.....

....I miss Scaramucci :(

Ahh, Mooch the Douche. He would have been the perfect spokesman for Donny J.

NoahFence 25th August 2017 07:30 AM

I think the response will be awful, so he'll blame the guy that runs FEMA.

Oh wait. Nobody runs FEMA. What could possibly go wrong

The Don 25th August 2017 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11971655)
I think the response will be awful, so he'll blame the guy that runs FEMA.

Oh wait. Nobody runs FEMA. What could possibly go wrong

Those damn Democrats, stopping his FEMA appointment being approved :mad:

Civet 25th August 2017 07:41 AM

Had to bing it since I'd never heard of the guy, but the current boss at FEMA looks credible on paper. Let's hope Trump (and the good people of Texas) dodged a bullet on this one.

C_Felix 25th August 2017 09:20 AM

"Mr. President, initial reports are coming in from Texas. There's a storm sure of 15 feet, and at least 1.5 million are without power."
"What's the status of the storm? Is it still yuge?"
"It has weakened now that it has hit land, Mr President."
"So, the land did some damage to the storm. The storm injured Texas and Texas injured the storm. There's blame on both sides."
"I guess so Mr. President."
"That's too bad."

dudalb 25th August 2017 10:11 AM

Today's Tweetstorm attacked Bob Corker, which means Corker is now on the White House's Senatorial S--t List, I have never seen a President at war with much of his own party as Trump is.

William Parcher 25th August 2017 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11971564)
Well, with Harvey about to hit Texas with the potential of Katrina like flooding

I don't think so because Katrina had failed levees and pumps. Better to imagine it as Katrina without any broken levees.

Trebuchet 25th August 2017 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoahFence (Post 11971564)
Well, with Harvey about to hit Texas with the potential of Katrina like flooding, we'll see how the moron responds to a crisis that he didn't actually create in the first place.

There's extensive coverage of Harvey on CNN. That means it's fake news and Trump won't pay any attention to it.

dudalb 25th August 2017 11:01 AM

And the GOP has nightmares of another Katrian fiasco.

Bob001 25th August 2017 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B (Post 11971396)
1) Is there a hidden message being sent by the way you chose to spell government above?

2) The question itself raises legitimate due process concerns.


1/ I'm sure it's intended to adopt the vernacular of the barely literate Trumpians who see "gummint" as the enemy.

2/ "Defective" might be a stretch, but the law would presume -- subject to appeal -- that a person who has been determined to be incompetent to handle his own financial affairs is also incompetent to buy a firearm. Maybe too broad, but not much different from imposing a similar restriction on someone who has been committed to a mental hospital. And the restriction would only be on new purchases, not continued possession of guns someone already owns.

dudalb 25th August 2017 11:39 AM

Reports that because of his attempts to steer Trump away from relaying on alt.right sources as his major source of information, General Kelly is goint to be the #1 Target of Bannon, Briebart,and the other right wing medie.
I suspect that Bannon hates Kelly's guts anyway because no doubt Kelly was a major player in Bannon's ouster.

Argumemnon 25th August 2017 11:46 AM

Wow, it really is like Game of Thrones. Even with a white walker (Bannon).

Cleon 25th August 2017 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 11972006)
And the GOP has nightmares of another Katrian fiasco.

They'll just blame it on Obama like they did with Katrina*.


* Yes, I know, but they'll try it anyway.

Spindrift 25th August 2017 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudalb (Post 11972059)
Reports that because of his attempts to steer Trump away from relaying on alt.right sources as his major source of information, General Kelly is goint to be the #1 Target of Bannon, Briebart,and the other right wing medie.
I suspect that Bannon hates Kelly's guts anyway because no doubt Kelly was a major player in Bannon's ouster.

It must be very confusing on the right with everyone fighting one another.

dudalb 25th August 2017 01:01 PM

The Trumptards are in full yelling mode against Corker after Trump's tweet. It's scary the way they go berserk at Trump's command;reminds me of the Two Minute Hate in "1984".


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© 2015, TribeTech AB. All Rights Reserved.