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Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 04:26 PM
Replies: 104
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Posted By shuttlt
You think it's morally brave to have generic...

You think it's morally brave to have generic normie moral opinions which you articulate on the internet amongst other people who share those opinions, but morally cowardly to have moral opinions that...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:52 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
And what you seem to be doing is taking your...

And what you seem to be doing is taking your moral assumptions and beliefs and mistaking them for some kind of neutral, no point of view position that should be acceptable to everybody.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:38 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
You didn't refute it. You asserted it was false....

You didn't refute it. You asserted it was false. The conversation then went down two paths. One was the assertion that there was no way to tell whether the various social changes since the 60s had...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:17 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
The population is dropping precipitously amongst...

The population is dropping precipitously amongst the groups that have adopted this world view. It is self limiting. Some groups seem to be able to resist this happening to their population growth....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:02 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
You are free to frame it as if every man is an...

You are free to frame it as if every man is an island and can live what ever their best life is and it doesn't effect other people. I disagree. Lot's of people disagree. This individualistic...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 02:43 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Irrelevant. People considered that a bad thing,...

Irrelevant. People considered that a bad thing, not something to embrace and made a cultural norm. They rightly considered that a catastrophe.


Irrelevant, there are hard physical limits on how...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 10:01 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Right, so now we have rearranged society around...

Right, so now we have rearranged society around the needs of the minority who were abjectly miserable, and female happiness has declined. You can not have society moulded to the needs of all people....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 08:36 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Sure, but we are actively importing people. If...

Sure, but we are actively importing people. If are importing people, so presumably local resources aren't the issue, or if they are, the non-imported population aren't the reason they are running...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 07:42 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
I think the claim is that this just came in along...

I think the claim is that this just came in along a well trodden path to institutions that had already been ideologically captured by previous liberation movements. I don't think anybody is saying...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 07:34 AM
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Posted By shuttlt
EDI comes from a particular agenda.

EDI comes from a particular agenda.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 07:31 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
I was talking about the cultural shift in people,...

I was talking about the cultural shift in people, their language and their understanding of the world. That isn't impacted by whether the ostensible motive for the shift is 12% of the population, 1%,...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 06:35 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
What nonsense? If she was a student in the early...

What nonsense? If she was a student in the early 80s, there would have been all sorts of feminist/post modern philosophy stuff being taught, depending the the faculty. Feminist/Marxist readings of...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 05:07 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
The personal is political. Silence is violence....

The personal is political. Silence is violence. It's not enough to be not racist, you have to be antiracist.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 04:54 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Are quite a different crowd to who?

Are quite a different crowd to who?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 04:51 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
No, indeed... because they have a totalising...

No, indeed... because they have a totalising philosophy that gives post hoc rationalisations for all events. Their ideology is unfalsifiable. Their ideology is always the answer.


You had the...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:38 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
This has nothing to do with what I said. I'm not...

This has nothing to do with what I said. I'm not going to Gish gallop with you. Stick to the point.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 03:26 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Have you looked? Where are you getting this...

Have you looked? Where are you getting this impression from?


Where in the world do you think all the stuff the activists, and ultimately ordinary people think comes from? The redefinition of...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 3rd November 2022, 02:46 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
I'm not sure that that is the key issue. More,...

I'm not sure that that is the key issue. More, you raise a generation of young people who equate using the wrong pronouns or not accepting people's gender as something like saying the N word.


We...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 01:51 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
That's what you believe, not what other people...

That's what you believe, not what other people believe. Other people don't share your ideology.


In the case of the gender critical feminists, it is because they see the problems of society...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 01:44 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I don't know. I don't care about the label. I'm...

I don't know. I don't care about the label. I'm mostly going off histories and books of theory written by people who supported these ideas or were involved in originating them or pushing them. Call...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 3rd November 2022, 01:16 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I don't understand the relevance of the question....

I don't understand the relevance of the question. There are bowls that achieve the platonic ideal of bowlness better than others. That doesn't mean that we don't know what a bowl is, or that there is...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 06:46 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I don't know what you mean about "not rigidly...

I don't know what you mean about "not rigidly so". Part of the reason that these are decadent philosophies is that they are focused on the individual. Because there are a small number of masculine...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 06:37 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
You were saying that not all men conformed to the...

You were saying that not all men conformed to the properties of the majority of men. I don't see how that is relevant to anything.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 06:34 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
We talked about that already. You didn't want to...

We talked about that already. You didn't want to talk to me about it. As I recall you were not particularly polite about how not interested you were in what I had to say. I have nothing further to...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 06:14 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
All this stuff is about averages and...

All this stuff is about averages and distributions. Something like 2.5% of women are stronger than 50% of men. We would still be insane to operate society as if it wasn't a good rule of thumb that...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 2nd November 2022, 06:08 PM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land ...

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And donít criticize
What you canít understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly aginí
Please get out of...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 05:55 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Well, ok. I will give you the best and shortest...

Well, ok. I will give you the best and shortest version of this I can. It's not the version you would get from the people who believe this stuff, but as a fellow outsider it's the best version I have...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 03:52 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Uniquely, perhaps not, I'm not sure I said that....

Uniquely, perhaps not, I'm not sure I said that. However, we have had sexual reproduction for 2 billion years. There can't be many features that differentiate us one from another that are as old, and...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 03:23 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Without rehashing the other thread..... you need...

Without rehashing the other thread..... you need to describe what is going on as if you were a gender critical feminist, not as if you were what ever you are.
Forum: USA Politics 2nd November 2022, 10:21 AM
Replies: 669
Views: 12,004
Posted By shuttlt
Almost all voters come across as ignorant fools...

Almost all voters come across as ignorant fools if you ask them to explain their political opinions, particularly when you don't share their politics.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 08:58 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Look, I'll add something here while I've got the...

Look, I'll add something here while I've got the analogy in my head. Sex and gender are sometimes discussed as if they were separate free floating things. That the cultural role of man or woman was...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 2nd November 2022, 06:55 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I guess I'm not sure what you mean by the...

I guess I'm not sure what you mean by the question. There are clearly differences in average behaviour that are rooted in being born in a male body vs a female body. It would be incredible if that...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 1st November 2022, 12:57 PM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
I wonder if part of that isn't obsessive focus on...

I wonder if part of that isn't obsessive focus on particular elements of the body so that the integrated whole is lost? Like when you say a word 100 times in a row and it loses meaning. There is a...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 1st November 2022, 10:17 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
Thank you. Since it's you suggesting it, I will...

Thank you. Since it's you suggesting it, I will listen to it with interest ;-)
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 1st November 2022, 09:50 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
Many thanks. Was it the most recent episode you...

Many thanks. Was it the most recent episode you wanted to point me at, or the whole thing?
Forum: USA Politics 31st October 2022, 05:28 PM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,760
Posted By shuttlt
I pretty much agree with this. Also though, the...

I pretty much agree with this. Also though, the world is a filtration mechanism for putting the kinds of people who are prepared to do this stuff in charge. Imagine the number of people you have to...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 01:01 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
My sincere apologies. So many people talk, that I...

My sincere apologies. So many people talk, that I lost track. It pains me somewhat that people want to deal with a post modern disagreement as if it was a linear programming problem. The question you...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 12:54 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I'm pretty sure there is a biological basis to...

I'm pretty sure there is a biological basis to urges to sexual display, competition and aggression.


Sure, but dirty old men showing their penises to women in the park was a thing. I don't...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 31st October 2022, 12:19 PM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
I agree that this is how it is in practice. They...

I agree that this is how it is in practice. They are claiming a different set of natural rights. Arguing about whether or not sex pests and so forth are going to abuse that right is irrelevant. That...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 12:12 PM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Because I'm trying to understand the...

Because I'm trying to understand the philosophical basis of your position, and other liberals (I get the impression you are one) positions on the forum. I'm explaining where they break down for me....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 10:16 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
No, I am not a liberal. I don't believe...

No, I am not a liberal. I don't believe conceiving rights in this way is a good idea.


Why are they not natural? We only recently discovered gay people had all the rights they currently enjoy....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 09:03 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I'm sure that is the case. "Gender critical...

I'm sure that is the case. "Gender critical feminism", as descriptive and relatively straight forward as it is, isn't a phrase that comes up in most people's day to day conversation.


Regressive...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 08:39 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
This is the frustrating thing. People make...

This is the frustrating thing. People make ethical arguments, and then have no interest in discussing ethics when challenged.


There don't seem to be such people wanting to talk. I've given you...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 08:10 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
One funny thing about the article is that I would...

One funny thing about the article is that I would say it misstates the conservative position. :-)
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 07:48 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
According to you. Where do rights come from? Are...

According to you. Where do rights come from? Are they just what ever things the state has decided to grant, or are they a claim that our moral status as humans entitles us to be granted certain...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 06:53 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Are they? I'm sure some are, I haven't seen that...

Are they? I'm sure some are, I haven't seen that though. It all seems like it is muddled up with being non-binary and so on which doesn't seem to be around being the wrong sex. The whole thing looks...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 06:18 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
I'll ask my daughter what she has been told.

I'll ask my daughter what she has been told.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 31st October 2022, 05:57 AM
Replies: 104
Views: 1,822
Posted By shuttlt
Philosophical musings about trans rights

Surely this
should say "opposite gender", or "different gender", not "opposite sex", if we are imagining what a trans-activist would say? There certainly are some people that want to play the same...
Forum: USA Politics 31st October 2022, 05:39 AM
Replies: 161
Views: 3,760
Posted By shuttlt
I don't see it as so paradoxical. We see similar...

I don't see it as so paradoxical. We see similar problems with the world, it is natural that there is disagreement about what can be done. That is a much harder question.

Incidentally, as to the...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 31st October 2022, 03:03 AM
Replies: 1,603
Views: 37,864
Posted By shuttlt
All I can say is that that is not my experience...

All I can say is that that is not my experience based on my kids school. Self IDing as trans or non-binary gets you status amongst the girls. A bunch of girls do it who are certainly not troubled by...
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