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Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 16th July 2013, 10:52 AM
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Posted By Piggy
My cats don't like high grass in the Purrfect...

My cats don't like high grass in the Purrfect fenced area, but they do like shrubs to stalk.

The downside, however, is that they will bring their catches inside thru the cat door.

And if...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 16th July 2013, 10:49 AM
Replies: 252
Views: 14,372
Posted By Piggy
No, we should take real steps to reduce OUR...

No, we should take real steps to reduce OUR enormous impact rather than refusing to inconvenience ourselves but insisting that a species with an instinct to hunt be kept cooped up in our homes which...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 16th July 2013, 10:44 AM
Replies: 4,403
Views: 249,228
Posted By Piggy
Sorry to have been gone so long. Real life is...

Sorry to have been gone so long. Real life is keeping me on the hamster wheel all day.

I have a mostly-completed next installment on 1 Corinthians, which I hope to finish and post very soon. I...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 16th July 2013, 10:41 AM
Replies: 4,965
Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
Colors are a product of the brain that don't...

Colors are a product of the brain that don't exist in the world

Sorry to hav been gone for so long. Real life is kicking my tail.

But in the meantime, I've found a case that blows a hole in...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:32 AM
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Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
This view assumes that the signature waves are...

This view assumes that the signature waves are not in any way causative, and that therefore their strength and coherence is irrelevant. But we cannot make that assumption at this point.

I know...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:28 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Neurons can be abstracted as data processing...

Neurons can be abstracted as data processing units.

But in your example of a completely functionally equivalent brain, ALL brain functions -- regardless of anyone's guess about what's important or...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:22 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Do you consider a rope to be functionally...

Do you consider a rope to be functionally equivalent to any brain tissue?
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:19 AM
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Posted By Piggy
There's a difference between saying a machine can...

There's a difference between saying a machine can be built to do a thing, and saying that a computer can be programmed to do it (without the addition of specialized hardware).

The only thing I'm...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:16 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Can we please use the word "machine" instead of...

Can we please use the word "machine" instead of "robot"? The term "robot" has highly anthropomorphic overtones that we would do best to steer clear of.

But there's nothing to "concede" -- if you...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:12 AM
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Posted By Piggy
No, nobody knows if the "signature" deep brain...

No, nobody knows if the "signature" deep brain waves play a causative role, or are merely correlated. I have never asserted that they're known to be causative. (The analogy with the choir was mere...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 2nd July 2013, 10:09 AM
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Posted By Piggy
But we're not discussing sensory input or motor...

But we're not discussing sensory input or motor output, but rather the production of the phenomenology.

Is it your position that this requires no specialized hardware, that it simply is...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 2nd July 2013, 09:59 AM
Replies: 252
Views: 14,372
Posted By Piggy
You know who's primarily to blame for the mass...

You know who's primarily to blame for the mass destruction of birds in areas populated by humans?

A: Humans

When the Europeans arrived in the area where I now live, there were enormous flocks...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 2nd July 2013, 09:53 AM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
Btw, I consider myself a cracker. Born on the...

Btw, I consider myself a cracker. Born on the Florida panhandle, raised in a Georgia textile mill town, relatives in both states.

That said, I can see when someone's using the term in a...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 29th June 2013, 12:13 PM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
And yet celebrity chefs abusing their staff in...

And yet celebrity chefs abusing their staff in other ways is considered entertainment.

Like I said, this particular type of behavior triggers fashionable outrage, and people know who Paula Deen...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 29th June 2013, 12:02 PM
Replies: 4,965
Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
In this case, we can't be fast and loose with our...

In this case, we can't be fast and loose with our terms. For most discussions, speaking of "red light" is fine. Here, it is not.

And I know that all software runs on hardware. The claim by the...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 29th June 2013, 11:56 AM
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Posted By Piggy
No, it has been asserted, but never explained. ...

No, it has been asserted, but never explained. It can't' be explained, because it's clearly wrong. Red is a brain's response to light. Photons and waves can't be red. Or any color. And since we...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 29th June 2013, 11:54 AM
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Posted By Piggy
I don't use the word "robot" because it has...

I don't use the word "robot" because it has anthropomorphic overtones. I prefer "machine".

But yes, if you reproduce a brain in its entirety with synthetic materials that carry out identical...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 29th June 2013, 11:49 AM
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Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
So you can't answer any of it. You say that...

So you can't answer any of it.

You say that the phenomenology which is our undeniable everyday experience just is the neurology, and requires no explanation why, and yet we cannot observe our...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 28th June 2013, 07:27 PM
Replies: 252
Views: 14,372
Posted By Piggy
My cats won't tolerate newbies. I've tried, no...

My cats won't tolerate newbies. I've tried, no dice. So I rescue, quarantine, and find new homes. Difficult, but rewarding.
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 07:25 PM
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Posted By Piggy
So holograms are "magic" on your planet. ...

So holograms are "magic" on your planet.

Interesting.
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 07:24 PM
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Posted By Piggy
If you do this with all the brain tissue, and you...

If you do this with all the brain tissue, and you replicate the behavior exactly, all the behavior with no bias toward eliminating what anybody guesses is "junk" or "noise", then you have a working...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 07:22 PM
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Posted By Piggy
None at all, as long as we recognize that we're...

None at all, as long as we recognize that we're dealing with abstractions (which necessitates a loss of precision) and that neither can exist in a system without an interpreter.

To keep things...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 07:19 PM
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Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
If you're not asserting that Watson was...

If you're not asserting that Watson was conscious, then it's irrelevant, isn't it?

ETA: Personally, I chalk up Watson's win more to quickness on the buzzer than anything else.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 28th June 2013, 07:18 PM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
Oh. Did Obama use the n-word, too?

Oh. Did Obama use the n-word, too?
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 28th June 2013, 11:24 AM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
She was talking about the letter I. Nobody...

She was talking about the letter I.

Nobody wants to change the letter I.

Therefore I ain't changing, for nobody.

You can prove this to yourself. Look around you. The letter I looks the...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 09:03 AM
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Views: 273,963
Posted By Piggy
You can stop there. You're assuming your...

You can stop there.

You're assuming your conclusions.

You're trying to put red at the beginning of the process, before it's been produced.

If you do this, and you're thinking in terms of...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 08:56 AM
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Posted By Piggy
A computer can certainly be part of the process...

A computer can certainly be part of the process of making a movie, but you can't actually get a movie by programming alone. It's a software/hardware solution. That's all I'm saying.

As for...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 07:07 AM
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Posted By Piggy
No, it's a calm, reasoned attempt to keep you on...

No, it's a calm, reasoned attempt to keep you on the subject.

First, it's already been explained, in terms of neurology, why red cannot be described to someone who doesn't already understand what...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 06:48 AM
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Posted By Piggy
I'm talking about an actual hologram here. A...

I'm talking about an actual hologram here. A real one. One that exists in spacetime and works.
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 06:46 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Again, you're failing to address the actual...

Again, you're failing to address the actual question.

We were not in any way discussing the old saw of "How do I know that what's red to me is red to you?" That's utterly irrelevant here.
...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 06:37 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Your misunderstanding is profound. ...

Your misunderstanding is profound.

Seriously, this surprised me, even given your general confusion.

Einstein's model of gravity explained why the force should diminish with distance in the way...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 28th June 2013, 06:30 AM
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Posted By Piggy
Are you saying it can? By software alone, no...

Are you saying it can? By software alone, no hardware component other than what's necessary to "run the logic"?

How?
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 28th June 2013, 06:27 AM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
Rush and Chick-fil-A came out (pardon the pun)...

Rush and Chick-fil-A came out (pardon the pun) unscathed because their core buyers don't care about the supposed "scandal".

And of course had that been the case here Paula Deen would have been...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 28th June 2013, 06:24 AM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
Certainly. But why are they doing this? Why...

Certainly.

But why are they doing this? Why do they think it will hurt their brands?

Because of the public shaming.

I think Paula Deen, given her own statements, is much more racist than...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 07:12 PM
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Posted By Piggy
There's nothing about that mechanism which...

There's nothing about that mechanism which contradicts the physicalist position, or the point I was making, speaking of not knowing what one is talking about.




Pardon?

I'm sorry, but...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 05:49 PM
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Posted By Piggy
Can you produce a hologram, for example, with...

Can you produce a hologram, for example, with pure programming, rather than a software/hardware solution?
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 05:48 PM
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Posted By Piggy
Physics, chemistry, biology. When we begin...

Physics, chemistry, biology.

When we begin to abstract into "information" and "data", it's easy to make mistakes and not notice.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 04:34 PM
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Views: 150,670
Posted By Piggy
No problem. I didn't expect a reply, actually. ...

No problem. I didn't expect a reply, actually. I'll unsubscribe.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 04:33 PM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
Where've you been? News today is "reality...

Where've you been? News today is "reality TV".
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 04:32 PM
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Posted By Piggy
I already have. It occurs when we see...

I already have.

It occurs when we see certain coherent brain waves and rapid synchronized pulses distributed across brain real estate which have the effect of producing a hologram-like thing I'm...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 04:26 PM
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Posted By Piggy
Consciousness is behavior, real behavior in...

Consciousness is behavior, real behavior in spacetime. To get a machine to do the same thing, we're going to have to build a machine that performs that same behavior in spacetime.

What other...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 04:24 PM
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Posted By Piggy
I'm not assuming that the "idea of 'tiger'" is...

I'm not assuming that the "idea of 'tiger'" is subconscious.

I don't see that the notion of an "idea of 'tiger'" is particularly meaningful or useful here.

And I can't figure out what you mean...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 04:15 PM
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Posted By Piggy
I don't disagree with you, except for the "data"...

I don't disagree with you, except for the "data" language which I find counter-productive, not because it's inaccurate but because it's dangerously abstract and incomplete.

The upstream processes...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 04:13 PM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
More like a pile-off. She's having her Tiger...

More like a pile-off.

She's having her Tiger Woods moment.

Ryan Holiday was right -- it's a public shaming ritual, intended to make us feel like we're better.
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 04:11 PM
Replies: 266
Views: 22,181
Posted By Piggy
"Paula Deen can be redeemed" Where -- at the...

"Paula Deen can be redeemed"

Where -- at the Cracker Barrel, for a free side of grits?
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 04:06 PM
Replies: 2,495
Views: 150,670
Posted By Piggy
Not my point. What I said was that Zimmerman...

Not my point.

What I said was that Zimmerman did something which any reasonable person would know was likely to lead to a physical confrontation.

There's no way any reasonable person would go...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 11:06 AM
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Posted By Piggy
No, I didn't miss it, and it has nothing to do...

No, I didn't miss it, and it has nothing to do with what I do or do not want.

It's a matter of science and reason.

I hate to be repetitive, but I'll go back to my example of the properties of...
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 27th June 2013, 10:54 AM
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Posted By Piggy
I don't disagree with any of that. My only...

I don't disagree with any of that.

My only point relative to this, and it's a crucial point in understanding consciousness, is that red is not a representation of red.

Red is (sometimes) a...
Forum: Social Issues & Current Events 27th June 2013, 10:32 AM
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Views: 150,670
Posted By Piggy
I have no opinion re. whether Zimmerman is guilty...

I have no opinion re. whether Zimmerman is guilty of anything under the law. I'll leave that to the folks hearing the trial.

But I will say this, as a refugee from the great state of Florida.......
Forum: Science, Mathematics, Medicine, and Technology 26th June 2013, 07:10 PM
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Posted By Piggy
SRIP is all over the brain, and is not a useful...

SRIP is all over the brain, and is not a useful criterion for discerning consciousness.

As has been explained upthread, the signatures of conscious awareness are certain activities in the brain...
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