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Forum: Religion and Philosophy 19th June 2015, 12:06 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Hi Tsig, worshipping at the split alter again I...

Hi Tsig, worshipping at the split alter again I see;)

I just wanted to say that I am going to be posting at a more philosophical forum from now on, well I will drop in here from time to time if...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 18th June 2015, 03:50 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Agreed," we don't know "is a good starting point...

Agreed," we don't know "is a good starting point when it comes to the nature of existence. Materialism is the best practical philosophy for our every day lives. One should take care not to use it as...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 16th June 2015, 03:07 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Our known spacetime continuum. There are...

Our known spacetime continuum.
There are numerous ways in which such is not the case. For example if the influence is in the form of the nature, structure, configuration, or signature of the system,...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 15th June 2015, 03:38 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Electro-chemical reactions in the cell generate...

Electro-chemical reactions in the cell generate consciousness.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 15th June 2015, 12:30 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Do we, do we know there is something else? How,...

Do we, do we know there is something else? How, via secondary experience(ie, we know secondary experience via secondary experience), clever.

I'm interested to know how you know there are at least...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th June 2015, 05:51 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Quite, he has said this before, I find it...

Quite, he has said this before, I find it difficult to understand the presence of such a schoolboy error.

Also something which exists does not have to have a detectable effect to an observer...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th June 2015, 05:45 AM
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Posted By punshhh
The point is that the object is not detectable in...

The point is that the object is not detectable in any way by a human,( as we are discussing human knowledge), rather than undetectable in any way atall.
It could both be undetectable to humanity...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th June 2015, 04:18 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Ok, presumably the telescope is representing the...

Ok, presumably the telescope is representing the mind of the viewer. Unfortunately the issues implicit with the mind are not represented in the telescope. Ie, the mind is the only means of knowing,...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th June 2015, 04:12 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Not atall, you don't seem to grasp the issue. In...

Not atall, you don't seem to grasp the issue. In idealism a necessary being is identified(a conceptual object), this is labelled the mind. The existence of this object is undeniable*. Idealism is...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 10th June 2015, 05:49 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Well I am surprised that you are using this loose...

Well I am surprised that you are using this loose analogy Here. By analogy the dragon in question would be the primary existence and the garage, the owner of the house and the entire world are all...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 10th June 2015, 12:33 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Yes the brain and neurons seem to produce...

Yes the brain and neurons seem to produce consciousness and self-consciousness.This and any other analysis I have seen are to vague to point out in any detail which material and how consciousness is...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 10th June 2015, 12:03 AM
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Posted By punshhh
It is known, as it is our primary point of...

It is known, as it is our primary point of experience. My point to Dancing David, does not reduce anything from the position I have adopted. The "mind"of the idealist is evidenced by the point of...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th June 2015, 09:32 AM
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Posted By punshhh
It is well known that life is not fully...

It is well known that life is not fully understood. I know that it is understood in its physical composition, but we are discussing an internal state, from the perspective of human consciousness. It...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th June 2015, 08:58 AM
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Posted By punshhh
I am referring to the prism through which the...

I am referring to the prism through which the person percieves the world. There is something there equating to a mind. I would prefer to avoid assuming the mind of the idealist, other than referring...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 9th June 2015, 06:17 AM
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Posted By punshhh
As I have already agreed this is correct in...

As I have already agreed this is correct in regard to self-consciousness.

In the absence of a demonstration of computational consciousness (or perhaps you will point to one?). It is assumed that...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th June 2015, 12:47 AM
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Posted By punshhh
This is a caricature of the situation. It...

This is a caricature of the situation. It requires certain assumptions, as I have already pointed out, about an aspect of a person which is not understood physically.

Specifically it is assumed...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 6th June 2015, 12:08 AM
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Posted By punshhh
I have no reason for not confining thought? You...

I have no reason for not confining thought? You may be happy to confine thought on things not understood, you do it regularly. I prefer to be open minded.


I'm considering something not...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 10:27 PM
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Posted By punshhh
How do you know it is not a dumb mimic of...

How do you know it is not a dumb mimic of consciousness?
Poor analogy, we know when something is actually flying, we don't know when something is actually conscious(apart from our control), we just...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 04:46 AM
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Posted By punshhh
I'm not equivocating the difference, I am making...

I'm not equivocating the difference, I am making the distinction though. A being has both meanings, although your analogy misses the experience of a living object.

Let me put it this way,
...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:49 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Yes, I know. I am specifically referring to the...

Yes, I know. I am specifically referring to the existence of an entity, in time and space, which has a personal experience of existing. As a state of being.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:44 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Interesting, I should point out that I define...

Interesting, I should point out that I define consciousness roughly as a personal experience of existing, rather than the usually understood definitions, which I use to define self-consciousness.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:39 AM
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Posted By punshhh
They exist as entities, in time and space, is...

They exist as entities, in time and space, is this not an experience?
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:37 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Perhaps you can, but you can't rule it out, as it...

Perhaps you can, but you can't rule it out, as it is logically derived, given that our personal experience of existing* is our primary and only irrefutable knowledge.

*our personal experience of...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:32 AM
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Posted By punshhh
They are dwelling and having some sort of...

They are dwelling and having some sort of experience, are they not?


It is the cause of consciousness in all examples observed, although not specifically, only generally. This is why I say that...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:27 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Agreed. No, just that there may be other...

Agreed.

No, just that there may be other materials(than what have been detected) out there.



Within the remit of philosophies are issues which are intellectually derived and beyond the...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:20 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Hi Nonpareil, I hope you are not going to repeat...

Hi Nonpareil, I hope you are not going to repeat what you told me last time and then disappear.


As before I am reducing experience to the cell along with the origin of consciousness. Because, a...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:12 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Feel free to confine "experience" to brain...

Feel free to confine "experience" to brain function, I dont. My point about experience is not in reference to the sensory process of having an experience, but rather the experience of the state of...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 4th June 2015, 12:05 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Agreed, anecdotes are not evidence of spiritual...

Agreed, anecdotes are not evidence of spiritual beings, they are evidence of something going on in one's person. It is a personal choice if one considers them an indication of a spiritual realm.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 20th May 2015, 11:27 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Primary knowledge is something in our experience...

Primary knowledge is something in our experience which cannot be doubted.
All other knowledge may be illusory or distorted.

By the way, I will be absent for 10 days due to a holiday. "See" you...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 20th May 2015, 11:22 PM
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Posted By punshhh
You'll have to be more specific, I still can't...

You'll have to be more specific, I still can't see one.


I don't have proof of it.

As humans live so much via their brains, it's difficult to tease out what is not experienced via the brain....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 20th May 2015, 11:05 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Anecdotal. This is no reason to dismiss it,...

Anecdotal.

This is no reason to dismiss it, it's not as if it's consideration cannot be afforded.

There is an intellectual route, but the logic can't get you any further than a maybe.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 19th May 2015, 11:12 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Feel free to point out any claims. This...

Feel free to point out any claims.


This is different to a discussion of primary knowledge. The problem with primary knowledge(if it is a problem) is that all else is secondary to it. So it...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 19th May 2015, 11:07 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Perhaps I come to words like material from a...

Perhaps I come to words like material from a different perspective. Rather the principle of a substance with extension, dimension and temporal qualities, as seen in the matter we encounter around us....
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 18th May 2015, 11:24 PM
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Posted By punshhh
This is the only claim I have made as far as I...

This is the only claim I have made as far as I can see.
I am not claiming that only living organisms can produce consciousness. I am pointing out that it is only organisms which have been found to...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 18th May 2015, 11:12 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Those are experiences. I was referring to the...

Those are experiences. I was referring to the personal experience of being.
Those words have the dictionary meaning as usual. Mysticism is a variant of materialism, so is not an alternative. It is...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 17th May 2015, 11:59 PM
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Posted By punshhh
The only claim I can find is that it is something...

The only claim I can find is that it is something about living organisms which produces consciousness. A claim with lots of evidence.


My position on artificial consciousness has remained...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 15th May 2015, 11:29 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Fine, it was a long way back in the thread when I...

Fine, it was a long way back in the thread when I last said this. To be specific, I am arguing against computation as the basis for consciousness. So provided the robot has a part which produces...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 14th May 2015, 11:16 PM
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Posted By punshhh
This not what I am saying, I have stated a few...

This not what I am saying, I have stated a few times that I have no objections the possibility that consciousness can be produced artificially, for example in a robot. But that if it were the case,...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 14th May 2015, 11:09 PM
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Posted By punshhh
It is not an unfounded assertion, it is an...

It is not an unfounded assertion, it is an observation. Until a working model is produced it is reasonable to consider that it is organisms which produce consciousness. Which is the observation on...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 14th May 2015, 01:47 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Yes, though each persons input is unique, perhaps...

Yes, though each persons input is unique, perhaps even unique each time accessed in the same person. Whereas the subjective concept "Russell's Teapot", is easily understood socially. While not being...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 14th May 2015, 01:40 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Why yes the robot? It's not an organism afterall....

Why yes the robot? It's not an organism afterall.

I know that an ant has a similar composition to myself, not so with the robot.


I am happy to define experience as something which happens...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 11:54 PM
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Posted By punshhh
To mimic humanity. A performing monkey...

To mimic humanity. A performing monkey (automaton) for our enjoyment.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 11:51 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Think about it though. Myself and an ant are in...

Think about it though. Myself and an ant are in the terms of chemical composition, virtually identical. It's true that I am larger, a larger colony of cells, but the cells are the same. I have...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 11:40 PM
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Posted By punshhh
Then it's virtual then? i.e the content of the...

Then it's virtual then? i.e the content of the data only manifests in the perception of a reader. Otherwise the configuration in the material (in which the data is stored) is a meaningless, or random...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 03:23 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Yes and it has life experience like myself. ...

Yes and it has life experience like myself.

Experience is what occurs to a living entity.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 03:19 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Is an algorithm virtual, or physical? ...

Is an algorithm virtual, or physical?



In each person "Russell's Teapot" is known by a unique algorithm, or combination of neural activity. Perhaps theoretically the concept could be...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 11th May 2015, 02:58 AM
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Posted By punshhh
Because the cell is the unit of life, each life...

Because the cell is the unit of life, each life form consists of one cell, or a colony of cells.
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th May 2015, 03:05 AM
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Posted By punshhh
For the debate around ontologies. Well I...

For the debate around ontologies.

Well I was going to ask you the same thing. But anyway this is a discussion about philosophical systems. The system of materialism can be evidenced without...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 8th May 2015, 12:35 AM
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Posted By punshhh
I would think there is a chemical formula for...

I would think there is a chemical formula for Internet Explorer, albeit a complex one including more than one molecule. One which could be identified as such in different systems. I doubt there is...
Forum: Religion and Philosophy 6th May 2015, 02:29 AM
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Posted By punshhh
It depends who one is talking to. Do you know...

It depends who one is talking to.
Do you know that an ant does not have awareness?

A robotic replica of an ant, even if it contains an electrical computer, does not have cellular life. Cellular...
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