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Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 2nd January 2024, 11:22 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 1,919
Posted By ozeco41
Yes. The manipulation of victims is probably the...

Yes. The manipulation of victims is probably the sickest aspect of the AE911 agenda. It is far too late for the McIlvaines. They should have been helped, certainly not hindered, in their search...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th December 2023, 03:34 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 1,919
Posted By ozeco41
Sure but I suggest it is better to NOT conflate...

Sure but I suggest it is better to NOT conflate the procedural and technical issues of merit.
"
"AE911 hadn't prove[sic] their contention"

"AE911 has not proved their case".

The only...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th December 2023, 02:32 PM
Replies: 37
Views: 1,919
Posted By ozeco41
Thank you. So if we wade through the...

Thank you.

So if we wade through the legalese:

Nothing has changed. AE911 once again loses in legal procedural issues and fails to gain any review of the technical merits of their claims for...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th December 2023, 07:31 AM
Replies: 37
Views: 1,919
Posted By ozeco41
The clue is in the quote included in the OP: ...

The clue is in the quote included in the OP:

Meet statutory requirements.
They do not need to be 100% perfect either at the time or bulletproof against later improving understanding.

I'll...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 6th August 2022, 02:26 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
And recall my cynical opinion about the political...

And recall my cynical opinion about the political context. Whilstever AE911 pursues these bound-to-lose tactics it keeps them busy. No time to get up to any real mischief even if they had...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 12th July 2022, 04:55 PM
Replies: 252
Views: 72,023
Posted By ozeco41
The concerns about 9/11 fell into two "camps" viz...

The concerns about 9/11 fell into two "camps" viz (a) The main technical claims which have been given the focus. WTC times 3, Pentagon and Shanksville. AND (b) The "political" issues which have not...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 9th June 2022, 01:35 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I agree. Your suggestion aligns closely with my...

I agree. Your suggestion aligns closely with my own long espoused assessment of the relative importance of the two main parts of 9/11 conspiracy concern.

9/11 issues of concern can legitimately...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 2nd June 2022, 04:36 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Change the DRG reference to "most truthers" and...

Change the DRG reference to "most truthers" and you have explained WTC 9/11 in 3 sentences.

THEN see Oystein's equally brief "technical explanation":
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 31st May 2022, 04:46 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
And the reality is that claims for CD are false...

And the reality is that claims for CD are false and have been shown false in physics that satisfies experts and explained in language understandable by laypersons.

Which is a large part of the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th May 2022, 11:05 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I'm sorry that you need to aggressively attempt...

I'm sorry that you need to aggressively attempt to prove me wrong. I'm certainly up for the challenge but we are way off topic already.

If you really do see a need to recycle these contentious...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th May 2022, 09:56 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
And the range of opinions about terminology are...

And the range of opinions about terminology are secondary to the need to comprehend the key aspect of understanding how the WTC Twin Towers collapsed. The way that the Twin Towers collapsed was the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th May 2022, 10:08 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Not so. It is a valid example of a...

Not so. It is a valid example of a straightforward issue of taxonomy. The distinction between "set" and "sub-set", between "system" and "sub-system", "Class" and "member of class". Choose...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th May 2022, 02:13 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Definitely - it must be 8 or 10 years since we've...

Definitely - it must be 8 or 10 years since we've seen serious discussion at that level.

Agreed for WTC 7

Also agreed for Twin Towers - in fact, understanding why the "initiation" stage of...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th May 2022, 12:29 AM
Replies: 1,545
Views: 473,301
Posted By ozeco41
Here - a couple more false explanations the...

Here - a couple more false explanations the "Truther Guest Speaker" seems to have fooled the Toastmasters with:
Obvious strawman. It wasn't "simultaneous". The core failed first.

And:
...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th May 2022, 12:16 AM
Replies: 1,545
Views: 473,301
Posted By ozeco41
I had a quick look for "first lie". This is the...

I had a quick look for "first lie". This is the first one I identified in a quick scan of the presentation report.


Well they get the first point correct - it is FFA not FF.

The second point...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 27th May 2022, 06:59 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Yes, we don't need the word "apple" because we...

Yes, we don't need the word "apple" because we already have "fruit" and (reversing the burden of proof) I cannot prove that apple is not fruit.

That argument is as futile now as it was for all...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 26th May 2022, 12:50 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
No problem. You referenced the paper. It is...

No problem. You referenced the paper. It is wrong.

We are off-topic here. If you or any other members want to challenge my "It is wrong" comment or simply needs an explanation - post the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 25th May 2022, 08:00 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I find it astonishing that members are still...

I find it astonishing that members are still quoting the paper:
"What Did and Did Not Cause Collapse of World Trade Center Twin Towers in New York?" as authoritative when it relies on the Crush...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 24th May 2022, 05:07 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Yes. Why not use a descriptive term....

Yes.

Why not use a descriptive term. Which aligns with the unique aspects of the WTC design and the main features of the rapid collapse.

The debris material fell down the open office space...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 23rd May 2022, 10:16 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
...and all this scurrying down the rabbit burrows...

...and all this scurrying down the rabbit burrows chasing "pancakes" arose because, when attempting to clarify a bit of possibly forgotten history, I said: "can be legitimately described as...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 21st May 2022, 12:08 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
But the progression did partly progress to...

But the progression did partly progress to Pancaking... and NIST did cover this emeded in the countless pages, somewhere...[/QUOTE]
That is what I said. (1) NIST did not explain the "progression...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 17th May 2022, 04:54 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
So was I - putting the issue in its historic...

So was I - putting the issue in its historic setting and identifying what was probably the most significant aspect of misunderstanding in the discussion of "pancaking".


I never said you did.
I...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 17th May 2022, 04:47 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
We are way off-topic, but, briefly, 1 That...

We are way off-topic, but, briefly,
1 That is what I said.
2 I referred to columns. Meaning ALL columns. I did not limit my comment to core colums. I'm not hung up on "core columns" somehow...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 16th May 2022, 10:47 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
A bit of "historic" perspective: FEMA did a...

A bit of "historic" perspective:

FEMA did a preliminary report which suggested that "pancaking" was the initiating cause of the Twin Towers collapses. NIST rejected "pancaking" for the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 16th May 2022, 10:18 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
No. I've been watching for years with my...

No. I've been watching for years with my cynic's hat on.

I think AE911 is inadvertently playing right into the hands of the politicians.

9/11 involved some big technical claims led by "CD...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 15th May 2022, 10:33 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Tony Szamboti's confusion goes back a long way....

Tony Szamboti's confusion goes back a long way. His fundamental problem is that he has never understood the real mechanism of the collapse of the Twin Towers. He is not the only one to make that...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 9th May 2022, 03:21 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Congratulations despite your decision to "go...

Congratulations despite your decision to "go easy".

I must be getting lazy. A sign of old age??

I read through most of the Gish Gallop of Garbage and couldn't decide on a basis for a rebuttal...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th April 2022, 10:45 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I anticipated that "gotcha" and was tempted to...

I anticipated that "gotcha" and was tempted to note in my previous post that the whole mini-chat was "off topic" - decided that it should be self evident.

Now you open the original door - recall...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th April 2022, 02:21 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Yes. And there are a couple or three reasons: ...

Yes. And there are a couple or three reasons:
1) First - forensic analysis of what went wrong is a grade or two more difficult than designing something to be safe and within code;
2) Second -...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th April 2022, 12:51 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
There are several high-profile issues in the...

There are several high-profile issues in the history of this forum (Whether as JREF or ISF) Old history now and probably of no current importance. There are a couple of outstanding issues of...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th April 2022, 04:39 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I didn't. I never even mentioned the...

I didn't.


I never even mentioned the "theory". I made a simple observation that "CTs" are not the only ones who present false explanations.

Some of the more interesting, more...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 28th April 2022, 12:11 AM
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Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Are they? Exclusively? ;)

Are they? Exclusively? ;)
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 27th April 2022, 04:52 PM
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Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Don't be too generous. Or one-sided. It's...

Don't be too generous. Or one-sided.

It's not only CTs who have problems with physics.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 26th April 2022, 07:57 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Which one would you collapse into if you were...

Which one would you collapse into if you were CDed?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 26th April 2022, 04:12 AM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
... or "own footprint" or any reference to Free...

... or "own footprint" or any reference to Free Fall, Free Fall Acceleration or "Free Fall SPEED"???
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 25th April 2022, 08:53 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
Yes. If a CT of any creed - including the...

Yes. If a CT of any creed - including the subset trutherus 9/11ii - mentions Basic Physics, Newton or Newton's Laws, Conservation of Momentum etc etc - the DEFAULT assumption is that they don't...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 25th April 2022, 08:49 PM
Replies: 566
Views: 45,248
Posted By ozeco41
I doubt that is true. Maybe I should once again...

I doubt that is true. Maybe I should once again post my "Twin Hypotheses" - stated briefly:
1) Most truthers cannot think;
2) That is why most of them became truthers.

Where "think" means:
...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 14th March 2022, 10:59 PM
Replies: 252
Views: 72,023
Posted By ozeco41
That is the fundamental strategic error made by...

That is the fundamental strategic error made by the Truth Movement. Maintaining focus on false technical claims long after they had been explained. Whilst the real issues of concern with 9/11...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 7th January 2022, 11:50 PM
Replies: 1,545
Views: 473,301
Posted By ozeco41
Yes. Because those four undefined terms leave...

Yes. Because those four undefined terms leave the door open - these four "possible", "small", "thick" and "less than". "red hot" is defined.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 24th September 2021, 02:39 PM
Replies: 570
Views: 96,849
Posted By ozeco41
I tried to make that choice about five years...

I tried to make that choice about five years back. THEN a friend - a member here - asked me to join a FaceBook Group - an engineer FB member wanted to debate a "real engineer". I joined, outlined...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 12th September 2021, 02:37 AM
Replies: 50
Views: 9,459
Posted By ozeco41
Post seen and discussed on the other medium.

Post seen and discussed on the other medium.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 11th September 2021, 03:48 PM
Replies: 50
Views: 9,459
Posted By ozeco41
I don't think money was his primary goal. ...

I don't think money was his primary goal. Provided he was "comfy". I'm sure that his primary motivation and rewards was ego driven - the adulation of his adoring fans plus insulation from dissent at...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 11th September 2021, 02:42 PM
Replies: 50
Views: 9,459
Posted By ozeco41
I wouldn't take either of Jimmy's groups FB pages...

I wouldn't take either of Jimmy's groups FB pages as authoritative.

I asked the question "Did he jump or was he pushed?" on a couple of FBook group pages the day it was announced. Or rather the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 10th September 2021, 09:40 PM
Replies: 570
Views: 96,849
Posted By ozeco41
EXACTLY. At least 200 years history. And the...

EXACTLY. At least 200 years history. And the US not even learning from Vietnam.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th August 2021, 08:20 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 18,410
Posted By ozeco41
There is no doubt it was unstoppable. But...

There is no doubt it was unstoppable.

But there have been some lovely ironies in the development of understanding.
1) NIST didn't analyse "progression" deciding - words to the effect of "from...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th August 2021, 07:34 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 18,410
Posted By ozeco41
Wanna bet? Wrong analogy - 180 degrees off...

Wanna bet? Wrong analogy - 180 degrees off course sadly.

The initiation of Twin Towers collapses was NOT by an "over whelming storm" that caused all "trees" (i.e. columns) to fail. It was...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th August 2021, 07:03 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 18,410
Posted By ozeco41
All three assertions a good summary of the...

All three assertions a good summary of the status.

As an engineer I found it necessary in 2007 to explain the Twin Towers collapses to a prominent citizen of a 25000 population rural town where...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 30th August 2021, 06:43 PM
Replies: 116
Views: 18,410
Posted By ozeco41
So frustratingly true. For many years analysis...

So frustratingly true. For many years analysis of the most noticeable - the spectacular "progression stage" of Twin towers collapses - dominated discussion. And all sides (before polarisation to...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 6th August 2021, 08:52 PM
Replies: 570
Views: 96,849
Posted By ozeco41
Sad to see one sector of conspiracy pressure...

Sad to see one sector of conspiracy pressure seeking to control what should be a neutral and genuine act of remembrance.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 6th August 2021, 08:50 PM
Replies: 570
Views: 96,849
Posted By ozeco41
Yes the twin Towers were well designed -...

Yes the twin Towers were well designed - innovative for their day.
Yes the manner of their collapses was mostly determined by their design.

But what are you trying to say? In fact what do you...
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