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Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 08:14 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I was arguing that they DID use the west as a...

I was arguing that they DID use the west as a vantage point.

As for the timeline - that is all about the sequence of removal - the debris on top of the mall in the pic I showed, then the truss and...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 08:09 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I think that they were being relatively gentle...

I think that they were being relatively gentle around that area for some reason or another. Certainly that particular corner was very heavily reinforced.

The fire looks fairly isolated to me, but...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:51 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Here they are really early on checking the mall,...

Here they are really early on checking the mall, way before the previous pics.
36366

You think they would need to be granted access to the adjacent building ??
What you on ?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:39 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
No, you look from the West instead of sending a...

No, you look from the West instead of sending a guy into a potentially dangerous mall. You don't have a grasp on the sequence of events here at all.

They did actually hose the fire from the window...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:29 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
From here 36364 Or here maybe? 36365 ...

From here
36364

Or here maybe?

36365

Hmmmmm.

ETA Still smoking away in that first pic, ain't it.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:22 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
My sequence for finding that pocket of fire is to...

My sequence for finding that pocket of fire is to go to the west side and look over into the now highly visible mall instead of sending a guy into the mall needlessly, having already lost a load of...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:17 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Because your pal, chainsaw, attributed a fixed...

Because your pal, chainsaw, attributed a fixed value to it.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:10 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
And this from the guy who said "Yes, 2600LBS,...

And this from the guy who said "Yes, 2600LBS, dropped twelve feet is 100.000 PSI. "

Tell me - what if it were a big bit round bar steel, and it landed horizontally one time and vertically the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 07:01 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Maybe think that through a bit.... Get back to...

Maybe think that through a bit....
Get back to me.

ETA I mean think through the sequence of events at the clean up and post collapse.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 06:57 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Looks like that is WELL into the clean up to me....

Looks like that is WELL into the clean up to me. so why would they be hosing that through the window do you think?
Maybe this will help you....


https://youtu.be/vnZx83ZWJyA?t=20s
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 4th February 2017, 06:23 AM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I keep wondering..... Where do you get the...

I keep wondering..... Where do you get the "chainsaw" bit from for your name. I get the other bit, obviously.. But why "chainsaw ?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 11:16 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Depends

Depends
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 11:09 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Not sure exactly what you mean by "broke" the...

Not sure exactly what you mean by "broke" the wall here. I wouldn't have thought it should have breached the mall wall, and it is not just a gravitationally driven progressive internal floor collapse...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 03:21 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
You enjoy your beer DGM. I am opening a bottle of...

You enjoy your beer DGM. I am opening a bottle of scotch and heading out for a walk on the course. Cheers for now.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 03:17 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I am comfortable with that. verum corpus

I am comfortable with that. verum corpus
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 03:12 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Try me then. Because it seems to me that you do...

Try me then. Because it seems to me that you do not have a clue what you are talking about DGM - you're reaching, and missing every time.

Try begging the question again - Maybe no true Scotsman...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 03:04 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
No, there you go again, "born slippy" trying to...

No, there you go again, "born slippy" trying to catch me out. Naughty

A corner section that is supported by 2 adjoining sections that oppose each other at 90 degrees.

Nice try. Try again...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:58 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
It means in this context that they (the corner...

It means in this context that they (the corner floor sections) are supported by the outside of the structure and other than that by the 2 middle sections of flooring that would adjoin them. As in...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:48 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
No no no. You ain't slippin off that hook so easy...

No no no. You ain't slippin off that hook so easy - I am going to find you a link to first establish what a transverse floor system is, and that such a system existed in the WTC towers, according to...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:42 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
If that were the case, then you should have just...

If that were the case, then you should have just said - "yes, of course the floor system in the WTC was transverse at the corners". And then asked me how it related to the Plasco. But you didn't, no....
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:37 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I am going to give you 10 minutes or so to look...

I am going to give you 10 minutes or so to look at the design of the WTC towers and realise that the corners of the floor system were transverse, and then I will direct you to a description written...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:32 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
No it doesn't and you know it, maybe. The...

No it doesn't and you know it, maybe.
The corners were transverse in the towers in terms of the floor system. Now do you really want to go there ? Because you know I will, night off or not....
...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:27 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Ok, lets briefly move onto what is more familiar...

Ok, lets briefly move onto what is more familiar ground to you - the WTC. Now I do not want a 911 debate, but will confine myself to the design, which is square, with a central column configuration....
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:15 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Ha ha ha - You and I both know that is total BS...

Ha ha ha - You and I both know that is total BS on your part.
Totally.

BACK IT UP
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:11 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I don't NEED to start thinking anything about...

I don't NEED to start thinking anything about this building thank you.

What is the strongest part of the building, in terms of the tictactoe figure please.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:07 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
ok - tictactoe - 8 squares surrounding one. ...

ok - tictactoe - 8 squares surrounding one.
which 4 connect most with the middle square ?

ETA to be clear I am saying that these 4 would not be transversely supported to the extent that the...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:04 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
You are very persuadable Jack. Particularly in...

You are very persuadable Jack. Particularly in directions that others would rather you travel, as opposed to where you might naturally find direction. Kind of like this tower in a way. Philosophical...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:01 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
BS. The corner sections of the floor were...

BS. The corner sections of the floor were transversely supported.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 02:00 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Yes, and quite an event that was by the looks of...

Yes, and quite an event that was by the looks of it.
BIG fire in that northeast corner too - that was what they were feeding the hose through that window at the NE corner after the collapse was all...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:57 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
The corner squares would have less attachment to...

The corner squares would have less attachment to the central square and more to the outer frame than the 4 that are on the middle of each face.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:55 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Some of the sides stayed remarkably intact didn't...

Some of the sides stayed remarkably intact didn't they.
As for frolic - what the goodness are you trying to say there?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:52 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
You can try talking to Gamolon about it if you...

You can try talking to Gamolon about it if you like, yes.

ETA I am not being ignorant there, just done with the pissing contest for now, entertaining as that is.
Much more interested in the floor...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:49 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I am interested in what would have been the 4...

I am interested in what would have been the 4 corner squares in the tictactoe diagram, and how they would have been framed in. Obviously there would be way less of the central column group, if any,...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:44 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
So what kind of floor system do you think the...

So what kind of floor system do you think the tower had?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:42 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
It sure could be, yes. I wonder if that damage...

It sure could be, yes. I wonder if that damage was transmitted to the lower structure there too, and perhaps even collapsed some below ground level. The foundation of the car park doesn't seem to...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:41 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I will, yes. And thank you for your kind words.

I will, yes. And thank you for your kind words.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:38 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
They didn't all fall in the same direction though...

They didn't all fall in the same direction though did they ? And their remaining stubs were not all the same height - were they ?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:36 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Desperation.... Done and dusted Gamolon. ...

Desperation.... Done and dusted Gamolon.
"east/west perimeter truss" That was hilarious - when you claimed not to have said that and that I was lying, and you forgot it was written on YOUR...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:33 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
So you think that the cores fell into the...

So you think that the cores fell into the footprint ? I say they didn't.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:32 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Listen to this guy - he was there ...

Listen to this guy - he was there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdcG0GX7rrk
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:31 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
I have given you diagrams of this - if you don't...

I have given you diagrams of this - if you don't understand them that is your issue, not mine. I think you are desperate to save some face here, not that you have much left to save.
So let's talk...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:28 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
That's just the same as saying "more or less"...

That's just the same as saying "more or less" when you say "the bulk" so where did that which did not end up "in the footprint" go mainly, more or less.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:27 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Obviously down. Try a direction you would get...

Obviously down. Try a direction you would get from a compass....
You did before, remember ?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:24 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
So by "more or less" Where does that difference...

So by "more or less" Where does that difference lie in your opinion,
Where was it more and where less? What direction ?
I am going to say ENE
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:21 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
My bolding there - That is an opinion. Back it...

My bolding there - That is an opinion. Back it up.

ETA This is nice eh, us all here talking like this...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:20 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
What direction would you describe it's fall to...

What direction would you describe it's fall to have happened in ?
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:17 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Come on now, it's not a pub quiz. Make your...

Come on now, it's not a pub quiz. Make your point, and I will speak to it.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:14 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
No, it's the fact that it was tied in heavily to...

No, it's the fact that it was tied in heavily to the mall, and that the NE corner in particular seems to have been heavily reinforced. Also the runs down the North face ALL went to ground apart from...
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:12 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Those are different videos. The NE corner was at...

Those are different videos. The NE corner was at the car park where the building transitioned. This was an earlier partial collapse event, as it was called, not part of the main collapse.
Forum: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 3rd February 2017, 01:09 PM
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Posted By Old coarse guy
Right, ask it again, cos I forgot what you said,...

Right, ask it again, cos I forgot what you said, and get the column schedule there so we are in no doubt.
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